ESO in Australia

boxanata

Yup. This was one of two reasons why I uninstalled the game. Playing with 230+ ping is fine for overworld questing, but anything other than that & it's just a really crappy experience. It's sad that they refuse to support our region. It's why I refuse to support the game.

seventy_kg

Supreme_Atromancer wrote: »

seventy_kg wrote: »

I understand many aussie players would rather be able to play the game with higher latency than not having the option at all, but it's like paying the same price for a product, and in this case possibly even higher because a lot of aussie players use a vpn, then get a product of much worse quality, in fact it is literally dysfuntional if you look at the pvp aspect

yes it is tolerable if you ignore certain parts of the game, for aussies that enjoy housing and overland content such as questing, the game is tolerable. But for endgame pvp'ers like me, there is no such thing as even "tolerating" it, because it is quite literally completely unplayable

I wouldn't consider gryphonheart, unchained, sunspire and kyne's aegis hard modes, many dlc dungeon trifectas, emperor and grand overlord as questing, housing and overland content. And my fellow Aussie and SEA actual hardcore friends have achieved FAAAR more, and are FAAAAR better at the game than I am.

I understand your complaint, and as an Aussie who has been playing since 2014, I **strongly** empathise. Its not ideal. It feels not fair sometimes. It should be discussed.

But some of what you are saying is exaggeration.

I have no doubt and I personally know many many great Aussie endgame players, but like I said whether it's manageable or doable is irrelevant, the point is the gameplay experience is of much worse quality than other regions.
Just because Aussie players have completed Godslayer and Dawnbringer doesn't mean they aren't doing so at a disadvantage, and while that disadvantage hasn't stopped PvEers from achieving their endgame goal, it is stopping PvPers like me from even playing the game, so im certainly not exaggerating when i said the gameplay difference is massive

to give you an idea, i can still parse 100k, but I can't stay alive in a 1vx in cyrodiil for more than a minute anymore because none of my heals go off, ever
and that used to be the most enjoyable part of eso for me

MrGarlic

This was posted by ZOS a few years ago regarding an Oceanic server. Just for your info (FYI)

abigfishy

Honestly you get used to playing with 594 ping. Not ideal for PvP but in PVE you learn to aniticpate and wait.

James-Wayne

Finally, someone that actually gets it because they have played in both the US and Australia!

I have been talking about the ping/latency issue with the combat system for years and no one seems to care.

Thank you

Bethgael

Add to that the fact that maintenance always happens in Prime Australian playing time. It's 7pm now, during maintenance. It will end at midnight.

Okay, that's fine, someone has to have that.

But also, since the ACCC won their FO76 case re: refunds against ZOS, Australian ESO players have been excluded from all sweepstakes (as in, they could no longer be bothered going through the very easy legal process to allow us to enter). Yes, correlation doesn't equal causation, but c'mon, guys, it's not actually any more expensive or difficult than it is for NZ, who are included. Right. Fine. Fair enough.

But--but--given the prices for Australians went up in 2022 for both the games and ESO+ "to bring it in line to dollar parity with other currencies" (which in and of itself is not a bad thing), my response is "oh? That being the case, it would be nice if our playing experience could be brought into parity with everyone else, too."

N1K3

seventy_kg wrote: »

First of all, to all the aussies that are gonna say "the ping is manageable", "ive done this dungeon and that trial and it's fine, i completed vet trials so its fine"--- you don't know what the game is supposed to be like, that's coming from someone who moved from America to Australia, the lag difference is absolutely shocking, and that's on top of the lag NA players already experience

This game is unplayable in australia, the PvE aspect might be "manageable" but the fact that your light attacks and skill casting have a very noticeable delay, and that your animation actually stutters, yes the animation stutters, when you light attack, just leaves me honestly nauseous and disgusted. That's coming from someone who enjoyed weaving and endgame dummy parsing back when I had decent ping in America.

However, that is nothing compared to the PvP experience. I know Grayhost is incredibly laggy for NA players too, but man this is on a different level and i didn't know there could be one in ESO. In the 5 minutes I got on and had a keep fight at Chalman, my skills went off a total of maybe 5 times in the 50 times I pressed a button, and that is not exaggerating, my ping spikes from 280 to 330 and then to 410, my skills don't go off ever, and even when they do, it's after I spam the button 5 times, and after a 2 second delay. And this isn't even pop locked grayhost.

I don't want to start a debate on whether the ping is fine in Australia, because I understand non-endgame players and people who are used to higher ping likely won't care much nor would their experience be affected. But to endgame players, be it PvE or PvP, you should know that this game is very very different when played with lower ping, I can't stress this enough, I notice a delay even when I open mails and sell things to merchants.

ESO is just not playable in Australia for me, the difference in gameplay experience here compared to NA, feels like a scam. It shouldn't be advertised here.

[Title Edited for Bashing]

Did anyone that also originally played in US then try play here in AUS ever compare your parsing with the exact same build/rotation? How much dps was loss. I’m actually really curious with this.

Tandor

boxanata wrote: »

Yup. This was one of two reasons why I uninstalled the game. Playing with 230+ ping is fine for overworld questing, but anything other than that & it's just a really crappy experience. It's sad that they refuse to support our region. It's why I refuse to support the game.

If enough people in the region support them, they'll support the region, and therein lies the problem - that's how business works I'm afraid.

CiliPadi

I used to play ESO from Oceania. Ping was averaging 250 with random spikes to 999+. I returned recently because I learned about the Oakensoul Ring and one bar builds. Tried it and was able to do content I never could before. I could never do that LA weaving effectively.

With other MMOs, I have no issues with my connection. There's a still a TINY hope that ZOS could make an Oceania/Asia megaserver, but I am not holding my breath.

NoSoup

I would suggest to the OP and any other aussies that are having a tough time with their latency to search the forums for some old posts that I have contributed to extensively.

I play on the Gold Coast Queensland and my latency hovers between 180-220 with incredibly rare spikes to 300-350. This is very managable and I have no issues completing any of the content.

The biggest issue we have in Australia is the routing. Depending on your ISP you can be routed over the pacific straight to America or your route can take you through Asia and worst of all Europe. You have two options here, harass your ISP to address the routing (Which I did with Leaptel and they were AWESOME, spent months sorting it but they were prepared to do it) or use a VPN to bypass the ISP routing.

YstradClud

boxanata wrote: »

Playing with 230+ ping is fine for overworld questing, but anything other than that & it's just a really crappy experience.

That's all I really play ESO for anyway and normal dungeons which are no problem. ESO has a lot more rpg elements then the other mmorpg I play. It's one of it's strengths imo.

Starpulsechic

I'm all the way in West AUS, if you decide to play or continue to play this game from AUS you accept it for what it is, and you setup your builds to accommodate it or you adopt a playstyle that factors being lag/skill desync/positional desync (eg hence i've always played in healing).

There are only a few pvp players from AUS/SEA I've seen who have managed to adopt a playstyle/setup to actually be decent at their class. Perfecting areas such as your positioning, situation awareness in anticipating/reading the fight is essentially more important as a AUS/SEA player if your going to pvp on AUS ping and be any good at it.

However people saying the game shouldn't be advertised in AUS or made available. I dont agree with this, its buyers beware like anything you purchase you should your research and consider its limitations before parting money. What game can you connect to a NA server from AUS with ping better to than what we were getting they just did the hardware update?
Disclaimer: I'm not going to say the current ping because i believe it was way better when they just did the hardware upgrade). If you buy any game that requires you to connect to a NA server you are going to get similar ping/gaming experience. 100% your experience on NA is going to be far superior.

The solution that having a SEA/AUS server at this stage of the game lifecycle on ESO would be as dead as the NW SEA server is atm by comparison at AU/SEA prime time. It would mean that you would struggle to get que pops for dungeons, no pug trials, limited core groups for end trials unless unless you were in friend/guild group or core team. PVP would be not much dissimilar to now in that it would be pvpdoor faction stack but probably worse, and BGS ques legit would pop legit near on never. If ESO was to have considered a SEA/AUS server it should have been done back in 2018/2019, its too late now as people have moved on.

Im just interested to see what the new MMORPG is that ZOS have been working on for the past 5 years, and whether there is a SEA server is in the pipeline for it.

LadyLethalla

Ex console, now PC EU player from Melbourne.Yes, the ping is comparatively awful to almost everywhere else (mine usually hovers around 320), but as someone else pointed out, I'd rather play at high ping than not be able to play at all - and since I've never experienced anything lower than 280 and never played any other MMO, I don't have anything to compare it to. And having come from being on ADSL2 internet, this is far better than it used to be. Midyear Mayhem 3 or 4 years ago, I couldn't even get near a battle without being disconnected. Now I can participate, and if my skills don't work properly, well, I still have fun. I'm not thebest PvPer anyway, so I don't notice it much. And since moving to PC I have completed all vet trials except Dread Sails with an Aussie guild that has since, sadly, disbanded.

TL:DR yes I wish my ping was lower but it is what it is. I still have fun. And my post is in no way intended to negate anyone else's gripes.

Edit: I did speak to Matt Firor at PAXAus about the ping but he didn't say anything other than he would "look into it" and we all know what happened since.

TaSheen

*sigh* I'd kill for ping as low as you guys have. The only connection available to me in my personal back of beyond (SW US) is satellite. Starlink isn't available here yet, so HughesNet it is. My ping averages 750 ms - and can be even more than that depending.

Needless to say probably, I don't do anything but putz along solo! Not that I would do group content anyway - left that when I left WoW and RIFT....

seventy_kg

NoSoup wrote: »

I would suggest to the OP and any other aussies that are having a tough time with their latency to search the forums for some old posts that I have contributed to extensively.

I play on the Gold Coast Queensland and my latency hovers between 180-220 with incredibly rare spikes to 300-350. This is very managable and I have no issues completing any of the content.

The biggest issue we have in Australia is the routing. Depending on your ISP you can be routed over the pacific straight to America or your route can take you through Asia and worst of all Europe. You have two options here, harass your ISP to address the routing (Which I did with Leaptel and they were AWESOME, spent months sorting it but they were prepared to do it) or use a VPN to bypass the ISP routing.

honestly 180 would be amazing, the problem with 200+ ping is the packet loss, aka skills not firing, same with potions and bar-swaps, which is lethal in pvp, and ive heard so many aussies tell me in game that they don't bother pvping because it's unplayable so they stick to pve, so how is that aussies just accept that, an aspect of a consumer product being completely unfunctional and they're okay with it.
i personally can't get better than 230 ping, and that's on a gaming vpn, normal ping is 280, and in cyrodiil it's between 280 and 350, sometimes 400
if i get 180 ping i would be very happy, and yes isp issue is probably a large part of it, but i am paying for a premium vpn and i still sometimes am just forced to get off the game cuz skills don't even work, and grayhost is at 1 bar population, i get depressed
more depressed when aussies keep telling me it's just like this we just deal with it, even if it means we pay for a broken product

seventy_kg

Starpulsechic wrote: »

I'm all the way in West AUS, if you decide to play or continue to play this game from AUS you accept it for what it is, and you setup your builds to accommodate it or you adopt a playstyle that factors being lag/skill desync/positional desync (eg hence i've always played in healing).

There are only a few pvp players from AUS/SEA I've seen who have managed to adopt a playstyle/setup to actually be decent at their class. Perfecting areas such as your positioning, situation awareness in anticipating/reading the fight is essentially more important as a AUS/SEA player if your going to pvp on AUS ping and be any good at it.

However people saying the game shouldn't be advertised in AUS or made available. I dont agree with this, its buyers beware like anything you purchase you should your research and consider its limitations before parting money. What game can you connect to a NA server from AUS with ping better to than what we were getting they just did the hardware update?
Disclaimer: I'm not going to say the current ping because i believe it was way better when they just did the hardware upgrade). If you buy any game that requires you to connect to a NA server you are going to get similar ping/gaming experience. 100% your experience on NA is going to be far superior.

The solution that having a SEA/AUS server at this stage of the game lifecycle on ESO would be as dead as the NW SEA server is atm by comparison at AU/SEA prime time. It would mean that you would struggle to get que pops for dungeons, no pug trials, limited core groups for end trials unless unless you were in friend/guild group or core team. PVP would be not much dissimilar to now in that it would be pvpdoor faction stack but probably worse, and BGS ques legit would pop legit near on never. If ESO was to have considered a SEA/AUS server it should have been done back in 2018/2019, its too late now as people have moved on.

Im just interested to see what the new MMORPG is that ZOS have been working on for the past 5 years, and whether there is a SEA server is in the pipeline for it.

the point of the post is that this is a product that is significantly inferior in australia compared to other regions. i dont know if you pvp, or if you are competitive at it, but if you are, then you would understand how miserable it is. if you enjoy small scale fights, enjoy 1vx pvp and not just pvdoor siege fights, you would understand the pain.
i thoroughly enjoy eso pvp, and im good at it, i have spent thousands of hours theory crafting, perfecting my build, pvp in grayhost and then improve and tweak my setup, my skills, my champion points, try on different gear sets, how many pieces of heavy armors to run, what jewlery enchant, recovery or reduce cost, how many pieces of bloodthirsty.
if you have done all of this, and you are good at it, and you tell me i should be okay with not being able to play at all when grayhost is only 1 bar population, while paying for eso plus and a premium vpn every month, i dont know what to say.
and eso is 100% not buyer beware. pvp is advertised in australia, so is pve, endgame, trials. you dont get it because you havent played at low ping but opening mails is much faster in NA, you just dont know it is.
some aussies like to say you accept eso for what it is or just play a different game, because it's what aussies do. so have you ever thought maybe that's why australia always gets treated like this? while NA players and EU players are protesting and asking for better performance, Australians, who have much worse performance, are saying it's okay, we'll deal. Have you ever considered maybe that's why Bethesda thinks it's okay to treat you like this? Australia have always had terrible internet, so people have grown to just deal, but it's like the frog in the pot story, australians have just accepted unfair treatment because they've been made to believe thats all they deserve and its at least better than nothing, which is pathetic

milkiie

gronoxvx wrote: »

I get where youre coming from and yeah it sucks as an aussie playing this in both PVE and PVP. Admittedly in PVE its not as bad as PVP which in greyhost US primetime is unplayable (Skills not going off or delayed by 4+ secs etc).

This is why here in Australia zos/eso has such a bad reputation. I can remember seeing the elsweyr chapter being advertised on billboards and it blowing up on facebook with a mix of current and ex AU players telling others to not touch it if they value low ping and want to be competitive in Pve or Pvp. I cant begin to imagine the crap zos would have copped when they came to pax that one year here in melbourne. Probably why they never came back. Lol

The unfortunate thing about this is no matter how much we jump up and down, it wont be fixed. So ultimately if im asked about it by people, i just tell them not to touch it unless they want to RP and thats it which is a shame tbh after the countless hours since 2017 ive put into the game.

Its also why even if the new MMO theyre working on is a big IP, most of us oceanic players wont touch anything from zos again.

But if more people played the game, and more people “jumped up and down” don’t you think it would be more likely to change. Trying anything is better than trying nothing at all

YstradClud

milkiie wrote: »

But if more people played the game, and more people “jumped up and down” don’t you think it would be more likely to change. Trying anything is better than trying nothing at all

I've been here since beta and was willing to dump WoW (which OCE players now can get <100ms ping) for this game and there was plenty of jumping up and down but they didn't respond so it's too late now.

Pelanora

New Zealand player, ping usually in the 300s. My favourite ping memory was a daily with my guild where i ended up just wandering along behind them taking in the scenery, because not a shot would fire, the delay meant the thing i was aiming at was always already dead by my guildies. It's not always that bad, but that time was pretty funny.

If eso can't market and sell the game to the many millions living near a potential aussie-based or singapore-based server, that's on them, not on this part of the world being 'uninterested'.

Norith_Gilheart_Flail

I deliberately didn't open this thread and read it before now because I knew I'd still be left in the 'what do you want us to do about it, mate?' F.A can be done about it.

There's two choices you can make, and they're both self determined - Because they are Never going to do anything for our region.

MrGarlic

Thing is, I used to get 220 ping in 2016, now I get closer to 300. Same house, same ISP even the same IP address.

I know what happened. I am being routed from Auckland to Australia from New Zealand now. Previously I was being routed straight from Auckland to LA. The extra ping I get now is because I am being routed in the opposite direction first.

That's Zos's fault. They chose Akamai services.

richo262

MrGarlic wrote: »

Thing is, I used to get 220 ping in 2016, now I get closer to 300. Same house, same ISP even the same IP address.

I know what happened. I am being routed from Auckland to Australia from New Zealand now. Previously I was being routed straight from Auckland to LA. The extra ping I get now is because I am being routed in the opposite direction first.

That's Zos's fault. They chose Akamai services.

This, I was on about 220, now 300. People have complained about Akamai in the past, and they do nothing.

220 was substantially better than 300, these days when playing the skills need to be mashed several times, same with potions. I play more on my Oaksorc these days, not because it is more fun, but because it uses less buttons and is therefore less frustrating.

Starpulsechic

seventy_kg wrote: »

the point of the post is that this is a product that is significantly inferior in australia compared to other regions. i dont know if you pvp, or if you are competitive at it, but if you are, then you would understand how miserable it is. if you enjoy small scale fights, enjoy 1vx pvp and not just pvdoor siege fights, you would understand the pain...

I think its unreasonable to solely blame the developer on what you feel is a subpar experience to that of what you had in the US versus what you get in AUS, when there are so many variables you are trying to benchmark between the two regions which are ultimately going to be difference due to points 1 to 6 in what I have explained below. There has to be a element of reasonableness with what you are trying to look at here when comparing AUS to other regions in terms of game play experience with ESO or any game.

The subpar experiences from AUS are due to factors including but not limited to;
1) NBN/Internet Accessibility Issues in AUS (ACCC has four days ago commenced a combined public inquiry into whether nine wholesale telecommunications services that support the provision of broadband, voice and data transmission services should continue to be regulated), not everyone has the same level of internet connection accessibility and this would effect their gaming experience.
2) Akamai dictating routing connection
3) Users using VPNs, but not having them set up correctly to the effect that this at times can work against them in unstable routing connections or pour routing preferences.
4) ESO server hardware issues as already explained in my last post
5) Congestions on the server and coding inefficiency which contribute to lag/ping spikes depending on your instances.
6) Users computer setup

seventy_kg wrote: »

eso is 100% not buyer beware. pvp is advertised in australia, so is pve, endgame, trials. you dont get it because you havent played at low ping but opening mails is much faster in NA, you just dont know it is.

ZOS advertise they are a game supported by US/EU servers, with no AUS server. As I stated, what game can you connect to a EU/US server with sub 200 ping? I have played NW which has a OCE server and I get sub 60 ping, im well aware of how nice it is to pvp on low ping, its amazing but then they ended up with dead servers, until they merged them all, even at peak it has 1500ppl on Delos server, could you imagine a game the size of ESO with only 1500 logged in at Peak, how will you do any content that requires ques (bgs, dungeons, or find trial groups)? Its just not a journey we will get with ESO and they already advised this on a public post on their facebook and on this ESO website.

seventy_kg wrote: »

some aussies like to say you accept eso for what it is or just play a different game, because it's what aussies do. so have you ever thought maybe that's why australia always gets treated like this? while NA players and EU players are protesting and asking for better performance, Australians, who have much worse performance, are saying it's okay, we'll deal. Have you ever considered maybe that's why Bethesda thinks it's okay to treat you like this? Australia have always had terrible internet, so people have grown to just deal, but it's like the frog in the pot story, australians have just accepted unfair treatment because they've been made to believe thats all they deserve and its at least better than nothing, which is pathetic

Even if ZOS fixed all the code, server issues (I've played since 2018 and its always been a problem) at best even if they fixed this the best connection your going to get 160-180 ping, simply because Australia has poor hardware technology and telecommunications that create unreliable gaming experiences.

The only solution beyond coding/server resolve is a OCE/SEA server which on a 2014 game its not a viable business case.

Its just unfortunate in your case you would have already massively invested time into ESO when you lived in the US, to then not be able to continue the same experience when you moved to AUS. I do feel empathy for you and anyone who has had this experience but its not as straight forward as it being entirely just on ZOS for that.

seventy_kg

NoSoup wrote: »

I would suggest to the OP and any other aussies that are having a tough time with their latency to search the forums for some old posts that I have contributed to extensively.

I play on the Gold Coast Queensland and my latency hovers between 180-220 with incredibly rare spikes to 300-350. This is very managable and I have no issues completing any of the content.

The biggest issue we have in Australia is the routing. Depending on your ISP you can be routed over the pacific straight to America or your route can take you through Asia and worst of all Europe. You have two options here, harass your ISP to address the routing (Which I did with Leaptel and they were AWESOME, spent months sorting it but they were prepared to do it) or use a VPN to bypass the ISP routing.

hey genuine question, if you don't mind can I ask you what your internet provider is? I'm in Brisbane and my ping sits between 267-280 and in cyrodiil it gets higher
180 ping would be amazing
I'm on tpg fttb plan and it's supposed to be good, considering switching to Telstra or something for better routing

Elephant42

seventy_kg wrote: »

NoSoup wrote: »

I would suggest to the OP and any other aussies that are having a tough time with their latency to search the forums for some old posts that I have contributed to extensively.

I play on the Gold Coast Queensland and my latency hovers between 180-220 with incredibly rare spikes to 300-350. This is very managable and I have no issues completing any of the content.

The biggest issue we have in Australia is the routing. Depending on your ISP you can be routed over the pacific straight to America or your route can take you through Asia and worst of all Europe. You have two options here, harass your ISP to address the routing (Which I did with Leaptel and they were AWESOME, spent months sorting it but they were prepared to do it) or use a VPN to bypass the ISP routing.

hey genuine question, if you don't mind can I ask you what your internet provider is? I'm in Brisbane and my ping sits between 267-280 and in cyrodiil it gets higher
180 ping would be amazing
I'm on tpg fttb plan and it's supposed to be good, considering switching to Telstra or something for better routing

Brisbaneite here on Telstra HFC. Ping sits between 230 - 260, much the same in Cyro - usually...

I'm very sceptical of any Oceanic claims of sub-200 pings.

NoSoup

seventy_kg wrote: »

NoSoup wrote: »

I would suggest to the OP and any other aussies that are having a tough time with their latency to search the forums for some old posts that I have contributed to extensively.

I play on the Gold Coast Queensland and my latency hovers between 180-220 with incredibly rare spikes to 300-350. This is very managable and I have no issues completing any of the content.

The biggest issue we have in Australia is the routing. Depending on your ISP you can be routed over the pacific straight to America or your route can take you through Asia and worst of all Europe. You have two options here, harass your ISP to address the routing (Which I did with Leaptel and they were AWESOME, spent months sorting it but they were prepared to do it) or use a VPN to bypass the ISP routing.

hey genuine question, if you don't mind can I ask you what your internet provider is? I'm in Brisbane and my ping sits between 267-280 and in cyrodiil it gets higher
180 ping would be amazing
I'm on tpg fttb plan and it's supposed to be good, considering switching to Telstra or something for better routing

Go with leaptel, they offer fftp. I have no mercy when it comes to isp's not helping to make routing easier. It's so easy to jump ship these days, try them on the higher no lock in contracts and if it works then settle for the best value. I've been through telstra, aussie broadband, My Republic (they were the worst of them all) and TPG. My experience on tpg wasn't too bad but Leaptel was definitely the best.

seventy_kg

NoSoup wrote: »

seventy_kg wrote: »

NoSoup wrote: »

I would suggest to the OP and any other aussies that are having a tough time with their latency to search the forums for some old posts that I have contributed to extensively.

I play on the Gold Coast Queensland and my latency hovers between 180-220 with incredibly rare spikes to 300-350. This is very managable and I have no issues completing any of the content.

The biggest issue we have in Australia is the routing. Depending on your ISP you can be routed over the pacific straight to America or your route can take you through Asia and worst of all Europe. You have two options here, harass your ISP to address the routing (Which I did with Leaptel and they were AWESOME, spent months sorting it but they were prepared to do it) or use a VPN to bypass the ISP routing.

hey genuine question, if you don't mind can I ask you what your internet provider is? I'm in Brisbane and my ping sits between 267-280 and in cyrodiil it gets higher
180 ping would be amazing
I'm on tpg fttb plan and it's supposed to be good, considering switching to Telstra or something for better routing

Go with leaptel, they offer fftp. I have no mercy when it comes to isp's not helping to make routing easier. It's so easy to jump ship these days, try them on the higher no lock in contracts and if it works then settle for the best value. I've been through telstra, aussie broadband, My Republic (they were the worst of them all) and TPG. My experience on tpg wasn't too bad but Leaptel was definitely the best.

thank you! can i ask if you get 180 in cyrodiil? or is it overland ping?

seventy_kg

Elephant42 wrote: »

seventy_kg wrote: »

NoSoup wrote: »

I would suggest to the OP and any other aussies that are having a tough time with their latency to search the forums for some old posts that I have contributed to extensively.

I play on the Gold Coast Queensland and my latency hovers between 180-220 with incredibly rare spikes to 300-350. This is very managable and I have no issues completing any of the content.

The biggest issue we have in Australia is the routing. Depending on your ISP you can be routed over the pacific straight to America or your route can take you through Asia and worst of all Europe. You have two options here, harass your ISP to address the routing (Which I did with Leaptel and they were AWESOME, spent months sorting it but they were prepared to do it) or use a VPN to bypass the ISP routing.

hey genuine question, if you don't mind can I ask you what your internet provider is? I'm in Brisbane and my ping sits between 267-280 and in cyrodiil it gets higher
180 ping would be amazing
I'm on tpg fttb plan and it's supposed to be good, considering switching to Telstra or something for better routing

Brisbaneite here on Telstra HFC. Ping sits between 230 - 260, much the same in Cyro - usually...

I'm very sceptical of any Oceanic claims of sub-200 pings.

tbh sub-200 ping does sound too good to be true, I'm willing to test it out with some providers and see what I get, I have heard that 230 is like the cutoff, game becomes a lot more laggy and skills not firing happens a lot more often when you have 230+ ping

MrGarlic

The theoretical minimum ping from Sydney to Dallas TX is about 190ms.

I'm not calling anyone a liar, you saw what you saw, but a reading of 180ms says to me that it is anomalous and probably a spurious network or software error.

As far as I am aware, the Zenimax servers are located in Wichita and Dallas was the closest location I could check pings.

A tracert to Zos servers times-out in Akamaitechnologies systems, so we have no idea where they are routed once it enters Akamai Sydney.

Determining the minimum ping times are impossible due to Akamai's security confidentiality protocols. I have asked them in the past for info, but none have ever been forthcoming. They did reply though so I appreciated that.

seventy_kg

MrGarlic wrote: »

The theoretical minimum ping from Sydney to Dallas TX is about 190ms.

I'm not calling anyone a liar, you saw what you saw, but a reading of 180ms says to me that it is anomalous and probably a spurious network or software error.

As far as I am aware, the Zenimax servers are located in Wichita and Dallas was the closest location I could check pings.

A tracert to Zos servers times-out in Akamaitechnologies systems, so we have no idea where they are routed once it enters Akamai Sydney.

Determining the minimum ping times are impossible due to Akamai's security confidentiality protocols. I have asked them in the past for info, but none have ever been forthcoming. They did reply though so I appreciated that.

honestly if they built the NA server on the west coast it would serve the entire Asia Pacific really well, but they chose Texas and that's fine but it just means NA and EU players can play on either server at sub-150 ping, whereas the entire Asia Pacific gets minimum 250 ping