Should ZoS remove\disable all addons functions?

SilverBride

No

I am not one for doom and gloom but I feel pretty confident predicting there would be a mass exodus if they removed addons.

SerafinaWaterstar

Yes

method__01 wrote: »

endgamesmug wrote: »

I played through all sorts of challenging content without addons on console for 5 years and multiple daily writs. I dont use combat addons on pc but i do use a writ addon, but id be fine if that was removed. I would just adapt and carry on. I am very interested in learning combat and mechanics and get better at what i enjoy as a result.

addons make daily game activities (mostly daily writs,master writs) easier so player can focus on questing, exploring ,pvp and other aspects of game
i do X18 daily writs on EU PC and another X9 on US and it takes me less than 1 hour
i did the same for years with PS4 and the amount of time i needed was at least double plus ia had to open the boxes manually and yes i had some kind of automation back then by crafting same item multiple times to gain time
then i had to open my tablet or phone and check where on map the surveys are or find missing books or whatever skyshards im missing etc...
now on pc al the above are automatically done and i can focus to things i like in game
i left ps4 back in 2019 and never look back,addons make ESO a different game and imo should be included in next ESO-if not in current at least with Xbox and ps5 versions

And you wonder why people complain about the overheated economy on PC!

(To be fair, I voted yes to get rid of ones that pretty much play the game for you. Such as Lazy Writ whatever. I think if you want the benefits of crafting writs, you have to make the conscious decision that is what you will spend time on.
And I am fully aware that I will now be taken to task by all those who use it, and claim that they would not play without it etc.
But this is my opinion, & we can agree to disagree.😁)

SilverBride

No

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

[To be fair, I voted yes to get rid of ones that pretty much play the game for you. Such as Lazy Writ whatever. I think if you want the benefits of crafting writs, you have to make the conscious decision that is what you will spend time on.

That's like telling a farmer to stop using his tractor and go back to plowing with a wooden plow and a couple of oxen or they aren't really doing the work themselves.

VaranisArano

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

method__01 wrote: »

endgamesmug wrote: »

I played through all sorts of challenging content without addons on console for 5 years and multiple daily writs. I dont use combat addons on pc but i do use a writ addon, but id be fine if that was removed. I would just adapt and carry on. I am very interested in learning combat and mechanics and get better at what i enjoy as a result.

addons make daily game activities (mostly daily writs,master writs) easier so player can focus on questing, exploring ,pvp and other aspects of game
i do X18 daily writs on EU PC and another X9 on US and it takes me less than 1 hour
i did the same for years with PS4 and the amount of time i needed was at least double plus ia had to open the boxes manually and yes i had some kind of automation back then by crafting same item multiple times to gain time
then i had to open my tablet or phone and check where on map the surveys are or find missing books or whatever skyshards im missing etc...
now on pc al the above are automatically done and i can focus to things i like in game
i left ps4 back in 2019 and never look back,addons make ESO a different game and imo should be included in next ESO-if not in current at least with Xbox and ps5 versions

And you wonder why people complain about the overheated economy on PC!

(To be fair, I voted yes to get rid of ones that pretty much play the game for you. Such as Lazy Writ whatever. I think if you want the benefits of crafting writs, you have to make the conscious decision that is what you will spend time on.
And I am fully aware that I will now be taken to task by all those who use it, and claim that they would not play without it etc.
But this is my opinion, & we can agree to disagree.😁)

So long as you keep in mind that ZOS added a base game version that points out what you need to craft for your daily writs, transforming what used to be a tedious memory minigame into a handful of inputs compared to Lazy Writ Crafter's automation.

ZOS clearly doesn't object to writs being made easier or taking up less time.

TaSheen

No

VaranisArano wrote: »

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

And you wonder why people complain about the overheated economy on PC!

(To be fair, I voted yes to get rid of ones that pretty much play the game for you. Such as Lazy Writ whatever. I think if you want the benefits of crafting writs, you have to make the conscious decision that is what you will spend time on.
And I am fully aware that I will now be taken to task by all those who use it, and claim that they would not play without it etc.
But this is my opinion, & we can agree to disagree.😁)

So long as you keep in mind that ZOS added a base game version that points out what you need to craft for your daily writs, transforming what used to be a tedious memory minigame into a handful of inputs compared to Lazy Writ Crafter's automation.

ZOS clearly doesn't object to writs being made easier or taking up less time.

Exactly. And I don't complain about the "overheated economy on PC" either. It's rare that I need to buy anything - oh, on my newest account, I sometimes need to buy a few mats if I haven't had time to fill a survey or so - or if I don't HAVE clothier surveys for instance (I almost never get those; I have more JC surveys always than clothier!)

zaria

No

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

No. Only remove that addon that let people see your drops. It's infuriating!

No its nice in guild or friend runs then doing dlc dungeons and some don't have all the armor pieces.
But yes with pugs it can be annoying.

Honestly I'm more annoyed with people not linking exec gear at end of dungeon.

Hint for dungeon runs with friends, have all who don't have the found chest marked on the map try to pick it and give up a once, this marks the chest on your map so you know the location for later.

CrashTest

No

No.

No addons are the reason I don't play ESO on console.

I like seeing where I am and where I'm going esp in new and unfamiliar locations (minimap addon)

I like speeding thru boring crafting dailies (lazy addon)

I like one-click swapping entire builds in a second and on the fly esp between bosses and trash (dressing room addon)

etc, etc

Addons are simply QoL especially for boring things. To me, no addons is like gimping yourself on purpose.

LadyLavina

No

The_Titan_Tim wrote: »

My only reason for advocating this, would be that if Add-On functionality was removed on PC, cross-platform would be very likely in the future.

Although if you were to 180* this, and just give console the same add-ons, my answer would be the opposite, as they wouldn’t impede on possible cross-play.

Cross Platform ESO? No thank you. They would have to knee-cap PC performance and quality to make it work with console.

Not being "Muh PC Master Race" when I say this, just being realistic.

Quackery

No

I'd love to have Minimap and Mappins on Xbox, would make life so much easier.

Syldras

No

I would be fine with disabling add-ons if the functionalities would already be included in the game itself - but there's so many basic things missing.

For example, without a trading add-on, it's not even possible to keep track of sales automatically, neither can one calculate the price for a stack of items by defining the price per item, and not even the last price input is saved and one has to type it anew every single time when selling multiple stacks of the same item. Would it be possible to live without that? Of course. I could also note my sales by hand and use a calculator to calculate stack prices. But the add-one makes it much more convenient.

Same goes for having a mini map and other things like that. Why should they not be allowed if they don't mean an unfair advantage over other players? Even if I only use an add-on for trading (everything else is sufficient for me the way it is), I don't know why I would want other players not to have their extra map or whatever else they need. As long as it's not on the same level as cheating, I'm okay with people using all kinds of add-ons.

VaranisArano

Syldras wrote: »

I would be fine with disabling add-ons if the functionalities would already be included in the game itself - but there's so many basic things missing.

For example, without a trading add-on, it's not even possible to keep track of sales automatically, neither can one calculate the price for a stack of items by defining the price per item, and not even the last price input is saved and one has to type it anew every single time when selling multiple stacks of the same item. Would it be possible to live without that? Of course. I could also note my sales by hand and use a calculator to calculate stack prices. But the add-one makes it much more convenient.

Same goes for having a mini map and other things like that. Why should they not be allowed if they don't mean an unfair advantage over other players? Even if I only use an add-on for trading (everything else is sufficient for me the way it is), I don't know why I would want other players not to have their extra map or whatever else they need. As long as it's not on the same level as cheating, I'm okay with people using all kinds of add-ons.

As someone who does note my sales by hand and calculate out the stack prices, yes, it was so much easier when I used Master Merchant to do it for me.

I just got tired of having to update my addons and their numerous dependencies every couple months, so stopped using them and went back to the old methods I used as a brand new player. It works, its just much less convenient.

Syldras

No

VaranisArano wrote: »

As someone who does note my sales by hand and calculate out the stack prices, yes, it was so much easier when I used Master Merchant to do it for me.
I just got tired of having to update my addons and their numerous dependencies every couple months, so stopped using them and went back to the old methods I used as a brand new player. It works, its just much less convenient.

I can understand that very well. With every bigger content update that disables MM I return to make my lists and calculations by hand - for a few days until I'm so annoyed that I finally get the MM update done (at least I only have this one add-on, no need to update dozens of things). It's a hassle though, no matter with or without it... I wish ZOS would just include these basic things in ESO.

Amottica

No

It was rather obvious what the overwhelming majority would say.

Amottica

No

robpr wrote: »

No. Curate them and add them to consoles. If some addon is very popular, maybe even make it official function in the game like ability timers (sort of).
Skyrim can have mods on consoles through Creation Club and Deep Rock Galactic or Space Engineers have mods through Mod.io on xbox version at least, so I dont see why ESO can't have them as well.

Zenimax has. Buff/debuff tracker is one of the biggest though there are addons that have a much better design than what Zenimax provided. The Armory where we can save builds is another.

Elsonso

No

VaranisArano wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

I would be fine with disabling add-ons if the functionalities would already be included in the game itself - but there's so many basic things missing.

For example, without a trading add-on, it's not even possible to keep track of sales automatically, neither can one calculate the price for a stack of items by defining the price per item, and not even the last price input is saved and one has to type it anew every single time when selling multiple stacks of the same item. Would it be possible to live without that? Of course. I could also note my sales by hand and use a calculator to calculate stack prices. But the add-one makes it much more convenient.

Same goes for having a mini map and other things like that. Why should they not be allowed if they don't mean an unfair advantage over other players? Even if I only use an add-on for trading (everything else is sufficient for me the way it is), I don't know why I would want other players not to have their extra map or whatever else they need. As long as it's not on the same level as cheating, I'm okay with people using all kinds of add-ons.

As someone who does note my sales by hand and calculate out the stack prices, yes, it was so much easier when I used Master Merchant to do it for me.

I just got tired of having to update my addons and their numerous dependencies every couple months, so stopped using them and went back to the old methods I used as a brand new player. It works, its just much less convenient.

I dunno. This is like going back to the basics with making bread. First you plant some grain, then plant some trees to fuel the oven you build while waiting for the trees and wheat...

DarcyMardin

No

I’ve been here for 9 years, but disabling add-ons would make me quit.

VaranisArano

Elsonso wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

I would be fine with disabling add-ons if the functionalities would already be included in the game itself - but there's so many basic things missing.

For example, without a trading add-on, it's not even possible to keep track of sales automatically, neither can one calculate the price for a stack of items by defining the price per item, and not even the last price input is saved and one has to type it anew every single time when selling multiple stacks of the same item. Would it be possible to live without that? Of course. I could also note my sales by hand and use a calculator to calculate stack prices. But the add-one makes it much more convenient.

Same goes for having a mini map and other things like that. Why should they not be allowed if they don't mean an unfair advantage over other players? Even if I only use an add-on for trading (everything else is sufficient for me the way it is), I don't know why I would want other players not to have their extra map or whatever else they need. As long as it's not on the same level as cheating, I'm okay with people using all kinds of add-ons.

As someone who does note my sales by hand and calculate out the stack prices, yes, it was so much easier when I used Master Merchant to do it for me.

I just got tired of having to update my addons and their numerous dependencies every couple months, so stopped using them and went back to the old methods I used as a brand new player. It works, its just much less convenient.

I dunno. This is like going back to the basics with making bread. First you plant some grain, then plant some trees to fuel the oven you build while waiting for the trees and wheat...

Now I want to play Minecraft...

Grizzbeorn

No

VaranisArano wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

I would be fine with disabling add-ons if the functionalities would already be included in the game itself - but there's so many basic things missing.

For example, without a trading add-on, it's not even possible to keep track of sales automatically, neither can one calculate the price for a stack of items by defining the price per item, and not even the last price input is saved and one has to type it anew every single time when selling multiple stacks of the same item. Would it be possible to live without that? Of course. I could also note my sales by hand and use a calculator to calculate stack prices. But the add-one makes it much more convenient.

Same goes for having a mini map and other things like that. Why should they not be allowed if they don't mean an unfair advantage over other players? Even if I only use an add-on for trading (everything else is sufficient for me the way it is), I don't know why I would want other players not to have their extra map or whatever else they need. As long as it's not on the same level as cheating, I'm okay with people using all kinds of add-ons.

As someone who does note my sales by hand and calculate out the stack prices, yes, it was so much easier when I used Master Merchant to do it for me.

I just got tired of having to update my addons and their numerous dependencies every couple months, so stopped using them and went back to the old methods I used as a brand new player. It works, its just much less convenient.

I dunno. This is like going back to the basics with making bread. First you plant some grain, then plant some trees to fuel the oven you build while waiting for the trees and wheat...

Now I want to play Minecraft...

Or Warcraft 2.

SPR_of_HA_community

Yes

For me it is more + than - , I do not like addons and look on it like on cheating.

It does work that player have to do.

But may be mini map and some usefull addons are really good. If such addons funcions would be added to base game, I can say that I do not need addons at all. The same for auto recharge/fix gear.

If it would be some angel like pet that fly near you and recharge/fix gear even if it would be from shop, it is still better than addons. Yes now addons do it for free, but a lot of addons are more like cheats - that tell you about attacks, show information, that have to be hidden and etc.

So it is small price to remove all that cheat like thingth that must not exist in game.

CP5

No

Fun topic, but for those who would be in favor of their removal, there are some issues with that.

I myself started using add-on's to track researched gear, because at the time I had 1 character and they would leave town with a cleaned out bag with 5 spare slots in it, with a decent number of those items being held only for research. That would be a good quality of life thing, some with something like Combat Metrics, but then you have stuff like housing add-on's, or gear trackers. Things that add a lot of extra visual noise to the game that would be tedious for people who don't care to disable, and overwhelming for people who would be interested to go through.

My most used add-on's are a small combination that allows me to use keybinds to mark inventory items for decon/sale/junk, then filter the vendor and decon menus to only show things that are marked for those, cutting my inventory management to almost nothing. Without those add-on's, and other useful ones like AutoCategory, which organizes your inventory so, say, gear of the same set are grouped together, just managing bag space, finding gear while doing group content, all of those things become a tedious headache, but each add-on allows a specific use that users can mix and match as they wish for their desired experience. ZOS cannot copy the massive community of add-on authors in providing such a flexible set of choices for getting a specific play experience, and any add-on that exist is through ZOS's own API, and if a specific function was a "cheat" then they would remove it, like they have before.

WiseSky

To take away QOL features that addons bestow to players is evil or it's corporate greed.

orgin_stadia

Yes

Yes, if only to make it easier to find people who can do hard content without being totally dependent on add-ons telling them what to do on the pc servers.

ADarklore

No

While there is always 'hope' that I might return one day, IF... and a BIG if... ZOS makes improvements to the game (and doesn't add another 'most requested' feature like a card game that 98% of people didn't actually request)... I might return. However, if they removed ADDON support, I would never return, period.

Elsonso

No

ADarklore wrote: »

While there is always 'hope' that I might return one day, IF... and a BIG if... ZOS makes improvements to the game (and doesn't add another 'most requested' feature like a card game that 98% of people didn't actually request)... I might return. However, if they removed ADDON support, I would never return, period.

I don't think you have to worry. They might tweak the API to prevent some things from happening, but the bulk of the addons are putting finishing touches on the game so the studio doesn't have to.

AlienMagi

Yes

chessalavakia_ESO wrote: »

Long term, if they plan on investing in the game significantly. (Obviously, you'd wait to implement it until you could move most of the popular addons that are not disruptive into optional features.)

Addons disrupt the incentives that would normally exist to improve a game.

If you've got millions of players that want a mini-map but, half of them can get a mini-map via an addon the incentives for implementing it have significantly dropped and it doesn't happen.

If it doesn't happen too many times you end up with a game that people aren't going to play if they don't want to deal with addons or can't use addons which will cost you money in the long run.

Addons also drive up the gap between players which makes designing content to fit large numbers of players harder.

Content that is challenging for someone with an addons that tell them what to do and that provide them data on every little thing they are doing is going to be incredibly difficult for people that aren't getting that level of information.

This is exactly why I stopped playing the game. Cant be bothered to install addons (which are basically cheats at this point). It's impossible to play the game effecively without them.

I only came to the forums today to see if theres any improvements with the game.

blktauna

No

What are these addons that cheat? Miats is a special thing, the API was altered to cut a lot of that off for good reason. I don't know what other addons people are considering cheats.

TaSheen

No

blktauna wrote: »

What are these addons that cheat? Miats is a special thing, the API was altered to cut a lot of that off for good reason. I don't know what other addons people are considering cheats.

There are a certain number of players who always show up to say addons like Lazy Writ Crafter are cheating. It's not hard to figure out who they are: just search on "lazy writ crafter cheat".

blktauna

No

lol what? Cheating? Wow thats just absurd. But thank you for that clarification. I thought I was missing something.

jecks33

No

Addons is what saves this game on pc

TaSheen

No

blktauna wrote: »

lol what? Cheating? Wow thats just absurd. But thank you for that clarification. I thought I was missing something.

Not a problem. I bite my tongue a lot when they post....