Current magblade vs stamblade for pvp, pve, arenas

Nyseto

I’ve been playing as a stamblade ever since I started this game. I do pretty well in pvp but in pve, meh. To be more specific, I’m working on veteran vateshran. How much better is magblade compared to stamblade across all forms of combat? I’m just so sick of stamblade and thinking about going magblade…but I don’t want to waste my time either. If anyone can be specific (regarding certain skills, gear, etc.) when sharing their thoughts, it would be highly appreciated.

I am also open to trying magsorc, I hear they have the highest mobility.

Vulkunne

Nyseto wrote: »

I’ve been playing as a stamblade ever since I started this game. I do pretty well in pvp but in pve, meh. To be more specific, I’m working on veteran vateshran. How much better is magblade compared to stamblade across all forms of combat? I’m just so sick of stamblade and thinking about going magblade…but I don’t want to waste my time either. If anyone can be specific (regarding certain skills, gear, etc.) when sharing their thoughts, it would be highly appreciated.

Before doing anything with Veteran Vateshran I would take some time, sit down around a kitchen table and watch some of the playthru vids on YouTube maybe. Otherwise you're going to get totally lost in there lol. Especially the longer the last fight goes on.

Secondly, as far as Stam or Mag, I've seen the Arena completed using both. I've never completed it with a NB but its been done plenty. From what I know about NB abilities, there are some good things in there like the AOE attack that also partially Heals you. I can see Grim Focus, Mark Target, Shade (Teleport), Strife, Fear (for mobs) and Sap Essence in particular being useful. And I think all of these have Mag morphs. Not to mention the Destro Staff AOE, things like that.

You'd also probably want to go get Ring of the Pale Order as well. So yeah, there's alot here that we can speak for Mag Blade being worth trying out. It also kind of sounds like you're interested in learning more about MagBlade so others have posted content and strategies for that as well. I would just take it slow and put forward the time in learning how different things might benefit you as opposed to taking all of forever to reach the final fight and failing repeatedly.

Nyseto

Vulkunne wrote: »

Nyseto wrote: »

I’ve been playing as a stamblade ever since I started this game. I do pretty well in pvp but in pve, meh. To be more specific, I’m working on veteran vateshran. How much better is magblade compared to stamblade across all forms of combat? I’m just so sick of stamblade and thinking about going magblade…but I don’t want to waste my time either. If anyone can be specific (regarding certain skills, gear, etc.) when sharing their thoughts, it would be highly appreciated.

Before doing anything with Veteran Vateshran I would take some time, sit down around a kitchen table and watch some of the playthru vids on YouTube maybe. Otherwise you're going to get totally lost in there lol. Especially the longer the last fight goes on.

Secondly, as far as Stam or Mag, I've seen the Arena completed using both. I've never completed it with a NB but its been done plenty. From what I know about NB abilities, there are some good things in there like the AOE attack that also partially Heals you. I can see Grim Focus, Mark Target, Shade (Teleport), Strife, Fear (for mobs) and Sap Essence in particular being useful. And I think all of these have Mag morphs. Not to mention the Destro Staff AOE, things like that.

You'd also probably want to go get Ring of the Pale Order as well. So yeah, there's alot here that we can speak for Mag Blade being worth trying out. It also kind of sounds like you're interested in learning more about MagBlade so others have posted content and strategies for that as well. I would just take it slow and put forward the time in learning how different things might benefit you as opposed to taking all of forever to reach the final fight and failing repeatedly.

Yeah I have ring of pale order and I also have the vateshran inferno staff. I assume magblade is also stealthier than stamblade pvp wise due to cloak using magicka, is that really the case where I can infini-cloak?

Vulkunne

Nyseto wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

Nyseto wrote: »

I’ve been playing as a stamblade ever since I started this game. I do pretty well in pvp but in pve, meh. To be more specific, I’m working on veteran vateshran. How much better is magblade compared to stamblade across all forms of combat? I’m just so sick of stamblade and thinking about going magblade…but I don’t want to waste my time either. If anyone can be specific (regarding certain skills, gear, etc.) when sharing their thoughts, it would be highly appreciated.

Before doing anything with Veteran Vateshran I would take some time, sit down around a kitchen table and watch some of the playthru vids on YouTube maybe. Otherwise you're going to get totally lost in there lol. Especially the longer the last fight goes on.

Secondly, as far as Stam or Mag, I've seen the Arena completed using both. I've never completed it with a NB but its been done plenty. From what I know about NB abilities, there are some good things in there like the AOE attack that also partially Heals you. I can see Grim Focus, Mark Target, Shade (Teleport), Strife, Fear (for mobs) and Sap Essence in particular being useful. And I think all of these have Mag morphs. Not to mention the Destro Staff AOE, things like that.

You'd also probably want to go get Ring of the Pale Order as well. So yeah, there's alot here that we can speak for Mag Blade being worth trying out. It also kind of sounds like you're interested in learning more about MagBlade so others have posted content and strategies for that as well. I would just take it slow and put forward the time in learning how different things might benefit you as opposed to taking all of forever to reach the final fight and failing repeatedly.

Yeah I have ring of pale order and I also have the vateshran inferno staff. I assume magblade is also stealthier than stamblade pvp wise due to cloak using magicka, is that really the case where I can infini-cloak?

Well, hah that my friend is a whole 'nother topic.

But while we're on the topic...

This is how I have learned to view these things so take this for what its worth but understand that your experience may be a little different. Regarding the cloak, so a magblade build made proper can continuously cloak for considerable amount of time. However, I would advise the cloak be made for the build rather than the build be made for the cloak. Why?

Easiest way to explain is to provide an example. On a certain server, sometimes there's a Sorc from another faction who Emps and when he does this God help us all. I have learned from my dealing with this person that the cloak is meaningless. No joke. You cannot hide and even if you could hide people have the means to find you fast in given situations, especially in the corridors of Imperial City or hills around Drake. Look at the cloak as a solution to a list of problems that you will build over time. But the cloak is not infallible and nor should it be.

No when you run into the situation as described above, you're going to need to be prepared to use other things and quickly change tactics. For example, NB has the Shade Teleport morph (which can act weird sometimes so also should not be relied upon 100%) but it is a good change of tactics because how do we define escape? What is it to truly escape a situation? Using the cloak to just evade the opponent is a tactic but not always a real option (or a feasible solution). Escape is defined as breaking LOS + Distance. If you need to escape then you need to accomplish both of these things. And move speed helps when cloak does not. There are mini-map mods out there which can show you your move speed%.

If we're talking Vet Vatehran arena, as expensive as the cloak is, you're probably further ahead saving those resources to use later to drop an AOE or to Heal with. In fact, NB now has a strong spammable heal as a morph for Shadow Cloak which can be chosen instead of the 3 seconds of Invisibility Morph. I don't use it but in Vet Vateshran that might be a good idea to have vs trying to cloak. Cause you can't hide in there But you could tele thru the tether and you should as it will save a ton of resources and put less strain on you during that fight.

boi_anachronism_

One comment I can make is that for many areas having a staff is just better, at least on bb. For both the first boss and the final boss in green area you really are helped tremendously by a ranged interrupt like crushing shock. Same for last boss on blue much better and safer at range because he hits like a truck but is fully stationary in the middle of the arena.

Zodiarkslayer

MagBlade and Stamblade aren't that different.

The only difference is that Magblade has the ranged spammable and ranged execute. That means that Soloing is sometimes easier, because you can position yourself better. But it also requires more player skill and knowledge.
And you are also weaker in exchange.

Everything else is litterally the same. There are no Magblade specific sets in pve. Okay, maybe Burning Spellweave, but then again there are better sets for Magicka in general. And again most of them you can play as a stamblade. So why bother?

In PvP MagBlade is a joke. Now that Caluurion bombers have been nerfed. (After U35, was it?) Just that. A joke.

Honestly, it sounds more like you are bored with Nightblade as a whole. Why not switch classes instead? Try something new?

Brittle Wardens are sexy right now.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Outside of PVP, I am going to say that Mageblade is light years ahead of stamblade. A stamblade can certainly hit harder. My original character was a stamblade since launch. While I dont use her much for harder content these days (I have a different mageblade I use for that), she is my crafter, antiquity, survey, event, you name it character. She runs around Tamriel more than any other toon (man is cloak nice when you dont want to be bothered with trash). I finally just bit the bullet and made her Mageblade number 3 for the time being. There is nothing outside of a handful of DLC world bosses that I can't easily just face parse and kill.

Stamblade is just rough to play in PVE. The rotation is so unforgiving, you need to be right in melee range, missed LAs mean massive amounts of damage loss, you have really no built in survival, etc.

Mageblade is honestly my favorite PVE class, and I have played them all. No, they arent at the top of the DPS charts these days, but a good mageblade is always going to have a spot in a raid. They have built in heals with both of their class spammables, you can certainly swap in something like ele weapon when you know you can parse in a good group. I dont think there is a better class for groupfinder, I dont need to worry about my support at all, because they not only have heals, they have range, mobility and sustain built right into their kit.

Mageblade has literally everything in their kit.
-Ranged Spammable
-Melee Spammable
-AOE spammable
-Execute
-Sustain skill
-Strong single target DOT
-Srong Ground AOE
-Burst heal
-Cloak
-Pet (that actually functions well)
-Powerful Apex skill
-Easy access to important buffs

You name it, mageblade has it.

Mageblade does have the same drawback as stamblade in the sense that their class apex skill, merciless resolve, does require a good weave, but weaving a destro staff from range is so much easier than DW from melee. You can also go with DW on fights you know you can parse in melee range. I also tell people all the time that even if you dont like mageblade, they are great for practicing both your weave and a dynamic rotation. Get good at a mageblade rotation, and a class like sorc becomes trivial.

If someone deleted my account tomorrow and I was forced to start over, the first character I am leveling is a dunmer mageblade. They cant be beat for exploring, grinding, farming gear, etc. Unless you really struggle with a weave and bar swapping, mageblade is great.

Also, if you told me I needed to get Spirit Slayer or Flawless Conqueror in one try with my life on the line, I am getting on my mageblade. I dont think there is a better Solo Arena spec. Spirt Slayer took me 3 tries on my mageblade at launch. My best VMA scores (flawless on every class) have been mageblade. I get the argument for something like a heavy attack sorc, but if you can actually play, Mageblade is better.

Zodiarkslayer

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

... I get the argument for something like a heavy attack sorc, but if you can actually play, Mageblade is better.

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AlterBlika

For solo pve I personally prefer stamNB over magNB. I like playing in melee, and there are too few cases when it's a real disadvantage (1st boss in SCP comes to mind). As a stam toon, you can sustain lots of dodges (because you don't rely on blocking in hard content). You also have access to master 2h build which offers you great survivability and decent damage if you manage to sustain it.
For group content they're roughly the same I think.
For pvp stamNB only.

MudcrabAttack

Perhaps it all depends on whether you prefer ranged or melee. The Magic vs stamina debate feels more ambiguous these days. A stamblade could just as easily hold a staff while using silver shards spammable as they could while holding dual wield. Or *gasp* a bow

I started the game at launch with a stamblade archer main, then made a staff wielding magblade. Years ago I liked how everything seemed to heal you as a magblade, and they had access to a shield, and it felt so much easier to blow through arenas without expending any concern over defense.

But now all the healing-while-damaging benefits seem to be spread around to every build with reaving blows CP and the pale order ring

Ever since U35 I’m back to my original wood elf archer stamblade RP build for everything. Most people hate archer builds because they have been clunky for years while weaving lethal arrow. But they’re more responsive since update 35, bow light attacks are landing all the time for me even during prime time trials

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Zodiarkslayer wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

... I get the argument for something like a heavy attack sorc, but if you can actually play, Mageblade is better.

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