Bastian, if it's cruel and wasteful, complain to ZOS!!

MJ202

I set out to complete the daily endeavors. "Kill 10 wild or domestic animals" is quick and easy. On my first kill Bastian yells at me, "Stop it! That's cruel and wasteful!".

Well you know what Bastion? If you don't like it, complain to ZOS. They put it on the daily endeavors list!

Beilin_Balreis_Colcan

Or he says "Are you planning to eat that?". Snippy, Bastian, very snippy.

Grizzbeorn

vsrs_au wrote: »

Or he says "Are you planning to eat that?"

"YEAH! I'm gonna smother it in CHEESE, too!"

Roztlin45

That is why he is in my doomchar plateau house. To.he honest I Don't like.any of them.except Ember.

phairdon

The funniest thing happened with Bastian while roaming a delve, he murdered a rat! He walked over to the rat and slaughtered the creature with his sword. Just about wet myself laughing.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Or what about, you just use a different companion or temporary unsummon him when you plan to go murdering harmless animals? He has a perfectly normal reaction to see someone killing an innocent animal like some beginning serial killer.


Part of this playerbase and their thoughts of Bastian is honestly disturbing.

Treselegant

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Or what about, you just use a different companion or temporary unsummon him when you plan to go murdering harmless animals? He has a perfectly normal reaction to see someone killing an innocent animal like some beginning serial killer.


Part of this playerbase and their thoughts of Bastian is honestly disturbing.

It's tiring, its boring. You don't like a particular companion, use another companion. It's an RPG, with characters that react to you doing 'gamer things' that appear sociopathic to them, thats it. Also, the cheese jokes, they're like bacon jokes and just about as funny. "Man in game no likey cheese, well Im going to eat a whole barrel of cheese now, see how you like that game man!!!"

SammyKhajit

This one finds the companions’ commentaries to be hilariously inappropriate, or just plain weird sometimes.

Bastian: complains about stealing, then points out a heavy sack and that “someone’s loss is our gain”. Huh? Shouldn’t Sammy lodge the heavy sack at Tamerial’s Lost & Found according to your morals, Mr Sanctimonious?

Isobel: “what do they do for fun around here?” Sammy: “Dame Isobel, we are at Cold Harbour. There is only suffering, misery and sad mood lighting.”

Ember: “Are we doing something magicky?” Sammy: “This one will enroll you into Elswyr Grammar, so you can learn to speak properly!”

Mirri: “can we stop at a tavern? I’m famished.” Sammy: “This one has stopped at the taverns many a times upon request, but you never eat a thing, not even one roasted squib!”

Treselegant

SammyKhajit wrote: »

This one finds the companions’ commentaries to be hilariously inappropriate, or just plain weird sometimes.

Bastian: complains about stealing, then points out a heavy sack and that “someone’s loss is our gain”. Huh? Shouldn’t Sammy lodge the heavy sack at Tamerial’s Lost & Found according to your morals, Mr Sanctimonious?

Isobel: “what do they do for fun around here?” Sammy: “Dame Isobel, we are at Cold Harbour. There is only suffering, misery and sad mood lighting.”

Ember: “Are we doing something magicky?” Sammy: “This one will enroll you into Elswyr Grammar, so you can learn to speak properly!”

Mirri: “can we stop at a tavern? I’m famished.” Sammy: “This one has stopped at the taverns many a times upon request, but you never eat a thing, not even one roasted squib!”

Just because someone might think killing, maiming small animals and thieving from innocents - is immoral - doesn't make them 'sanctimonious' - its pretty normal to find those things abhorrent in Tamriel as in real life. There's obviously a big difference between finding a mouldering old sack in the middle of no-where, similar to when you find buried treasure, and lifting things directly from peoples pockets/houses. In Bastian's introduction quest, he literally bends the rules so Tenari can get away from her debts, he's not a stickler for rules when it comes down to the reality of the situation. Now there is someone who is very into rules and the rule of law for the sake of it - but its not Bastian.

SammyKhajit

@Treselegant indeed and you will find that with Isobel as well, who comments that she will try to look the other way with the Vestige’s affiliation with DB and Thieves Guild

Treselegant

SammyKhajit wrote: »

@Treselegant indeed and you will find that with Isobel as well, who comments that she will try to look the other way with the Vestige’s affiliation with DB and Thieves Guild

Ugh , don't remind me, talk about dialogue that makes no sense. A Knight who literally wont even use a lockpick during her quest to rescue a lady but is totally fine and dandy being friends with a known assassin and thief. Great writing there.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

SammyKhajit wrote: »

@Treselegant indeed and you will find that with Isobel as well, who comments that she will try to look the other way with the Vestige’s affiliation with DB and Thieves Guild

Yet can't handle you lockpicking a door even though it would be to great help for something very important. but no, it's against the law and not very knightly! Murdering people for a sadistic death cult which too is very much against the law and worse? Sure, just don't let me see it.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Treselegant wrote: »

SammyKhajit wrote: »

@Treselegant indeed and you will find that with Isobel as well, who comments that she will try to look the other way with the Vestige’s affiliation with DB and Thieves Guild

Ugh , don't remind me, talk about dialogue that makes no sense. A Knight who literally wont even use a lockpick during her quest to rescue a lady but is totally fine and dandy being friends with a known assassin and thief. Great writing there.

It echoes here!

Treselegant

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Treselegant wrote: »

SammyKhajit wrote: »

@Treselegant indeed and you will find that with Isobel as well, who comments that she will try to look the other way with the Vestige’s affiliation with DB and Thieves Guild

Ugh , don't remind me, talk about dialogue that makes no sense. A Knight who literally wont even use a lockpick during her quest to rescue a lady but is totally fine and dandy being friends with a known assassin and thief. Great writing there.

It echoes here!

The bad writing, it burns!

SammyKhajit

Treselegant wrote: »

SammyKhajit wrote: »

@Treselegant indeed and you will find that with Isobel as well, who comments that she will try to look the other way with the Vestige’s affiliation with DB and Thieves Guild

Ugh , don't remind me, talk about dialogue that makes no sense. A Knight who literally wont even use a lockpick during her quest to rescue a lady but is totally fine and dandy being friends with a known assassin and thief. Great writing there.

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

SammyKhajit wrote: »

@Treselegant indeed and you will find that with Isobel as well, who comments that she will try to look the other way with the Vestige’s affiliation with DB and Thieves Guild

Yet can't handle you lockpicking a door even though it would be to great help for something very important. but no, it's against the law and not very knightly! Murdering people for a sadistic death cult which too is very much against the law and worse? Sure, just don't let me see it.

Bastian Cultists sighted 🙀 Sammy will tiptoe out of this thread and fetch some amulets, fashioned from cheese….

FlopsyPrince

Good humor is very hard, especially in today's culture.

The problem is not so much the comment, it is the fact it can be so frequent and goes against so much of the game. You can be in a huge battle with a boss and Bastian will gripe that you killed a spider. Really? No one thought of this?

If we had a way to slap them back when they were stupid it might be more tolerable. No retort ability, no ability to give Miri some sauce, etc. is the issue.

Cute idea, but hard to implement.

Though while I get annoyed at Bastian (killing bugs and cheese) and Miri (yes, I need butterfly wings for alchemy), Ember's immaturity freaks me out more most times.

Treselegant

SammyKhajit wrote: »

Treselegant wrote: »

SammyKhajit wrote: »

@Treselegant indeed and you will find that with Isobel as well, who comments that she will try to look the other way with the Vestige’s affiliation with DB and Thieves Guild

Ugh , don't remind me, talk about dialogue that makes no sense. A Knight who literally wont even use a lockpick during her quest to rescue a lady but is totally fine and dandy being friends with a known assassin and thief. Great writing there.

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

SammyKhajit wrote: »

@Treselegant indeed and you will find that with Isobel as well, who comments that she will try to look the other way with the Vestige’s affiliation with DB and Thieves Guild

Yet can't handle you lockpicking a door even though it would be to great help for something very important. but no, it's against the law and not very knightly! Murdering people for a sadistic death cult which too is very much against the law and worse? Sure, just don't let me see it.

Bastian Cultists sighted 🙀 Sammy will tiptoe out of this thread and fetch some amulets, fashioned from cheese….

Sammy, my friend. Its not normal to call some who has different opinion to you 'a cultist'. Because the truth is, you are not actually a Khajitt, but a person on a public forum. We were literally just taking about the differences in characters. Are you an Isobel cultist for liking her?

AcadianPaladin

Hunting rabbits is important for my elf to make the food that feed her and any companion. It is not wasteful. When a squirrel gets killed from an AoE that helps keep my elf and her companion alive, it is extremely justified collateral damage. She won't travel with any companion too dumb to understand that.

MasterSpatula

I would have much less of a problem with Bastian's issues about killing innocent creatures if the targeting in this game weren't such a disaster.

Treselegant

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

Hunting rabbits is important for my elf to make the food that feed her and any companion. It is not wasteful. When a squirrel gets killed from an AoE that helps keep my elf and her companion alive, it is extremely justified collateral damage. She won't travel with any companion too dumb to understand that.

They're all too dumb to understand that because they're not actually real people. If they were living, breathing versions of themselves then I fully expect most would understand killing for food because it's a basic part of their society. As is, they are basic ai, created to react in a very limited fashion.

Eric_Prince

Roztlin45 wrote: »

That is why he is in my doomchar plateau house. To.he honest I Don't like.any of them.except Ember.

Neck deep is cheese, I hope?

Eric_Prince

Treselegant wrote: »

Sammy, my friend. Its not normal to call some who has different opinion to you 'a cultist'. Because the truth is, you are not actually a Khajitt, but a person on a public forum. We were literally just taking about the differences in characters. Are you an Isobel cultist for liking her?

Hey, stop insulting cultists! We, doomsday necromancers, have every right to make blood sacrifices and worship otherworldly tyrannical beings as the next guy!

Carcamongus

I'd just like to formally protest Bastian's unfounded accusation: it's not wasteful, as I always loot whatever the critters may have dropped.

SammyKhajit

Eric_Prince wrote: »

Treselegant wrote: »

Sammy, my friend. Its not normal to call some who has different opinion to you 'a cultist'. Because the truth is, you are not actually a Khajitt, but a person on a public forum. We were literally just taking about the differences in characters. Are you an Isobel cultist for liking her?

Hey, stop insulting cultists! We, doomsday necromancers, have every right to make blood sacrifices and worship otherworldly tyrannical beings as the next guy!

This one does find it a pity that we don’t have quests like in Skyrim, where you can choose options in the quest to be compliant to Daedric Princes’ whim.

And yes, all cultists must band together and unite!

spartaxoxo

MasterSpatula wrote: »

I would have much less of a problem with Bastian's issues about killing innocent creatures if the targeting in this game weren't such a disaster.

Yeah. This is one of those things where it's an idea that makes sense but the limits of gameplay kinda ruins it. I feel the same about their reactions to food. It's heavily implied by dialogue that you're at least offering them the food anytime you cook in front of them. Mirri writes you a letter remembering the good times you had when drinking and Bastian gets annoyed you tried to feed him cheese because he's lactose intolerant. But, we the player don't actually experience that. Just as we're often not purposefully targeting critters. So the dialogue on those two things can be understandably irritating to people.

ETA: Actually Mirri's aversion to butterflies and torch bugs being harvested is similar. The irritation comes sometimes from it being a misclick. At least they now let us disable stealing placed objects.

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spartaxoxo wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

I would have much less of a problem with Bastian's issues about killing innocent creatures if the targeting in this game weren't such a disaster.

Yeah. This is one of those things where it's an idea that makes sense but the limits of gameplay kinda ruins it. I feel the same about their reactions to food. It's heavily implied by dialogue that you're at least offering them the food anytime you cook in front of them. Mirri writes you a letter remembering the good times you had when drinking and Bastian gets annoyed you tried to feed him cheese because he's lactose intolerant. But, we the player don't actually experience that. Just as we're often not purposefully targeting critters. So the dialogue on those two things can be understandably irritating to people.

ETA: Actually Mirri's aversion to butterflies and torch bugs being harvested is similar. The irritation comes sometimes from it being a misclick. At least they now let us disable stealing placed objects.

Poor Bastian

SammyKhajit

^^^ if Bastian is an animal, a large hound does seem fitting

What we need, before adding new companions, is more side stories and quests for the existing companions.

This one is still waiting for that dinner at Mirri’s family home; ditto Isobel; Ember needs a gathering with her old friends and Bastian needs to visit his sister’s home. A lot of reunions and adventures that can happen along the way.

Toanis

Meanwhile Ember admires my technique with the Blade of Woe, and giggles when I behead goats at Goat's Head Oasis.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Toanis wrote: »

Meanwhile Ember admires my technique with the Blade of Woe, and giggles when I behead goats at Goat's Head Oasis.

Which she likely wouldn't do if she were accurate to the character we see in her quest dialogue. But companions got simple game mechanics and will react according to their set parameters. There's no difference in killing a bunch of slavers in their den and going on a murder spree of harmless animals or innocent people in their homes to her, because it all count as combat to her codes which she finds exciting. In reality she likely wouldn't be that cheerful of those act despite her slightly more "morally grey streetkid" mindset.

Same way will Bastian react according to his. He dislikes the killing of harmless animals for no reason, because it's cruel and only psychos do that. So his parameters has been set to portray that. But just like Ember's so are they completely lacking in naunce, they are a simple code after all, so you either kill or did not kill. In reality he would of course be perfectly fine with you killing bunnies and such for food etc.

SammyKhajit wrote: »

What we need, before adding new companions, is more side stories and quests for the existing companions.

This one is still waiting for that dinner at Mirri’s family home; ditto Isobel; Ember needs a gathering with her old friends and Bastian needs to visit his sister’s home. A lot of reunions and adventures that can happen along the way.

Can agree on that. Both Bastian and Mirri are a step behind the High Isle companion in content. They got less quests, dialogue, rapport givers, and no furniture item of their letters. If they are going to give more features and content to the newest companions then the old ones should get updated to the same level.