Rapport: Companion - takes two days for Mirri and Bastion while for Ember and Isobel eleven days

Ek1

There is a huge gap between how long it takes to get the newest companions to the highest rapport level "Companion". Either all of them should be able to be fast-tracked with dedication and hard work or none of them for the sake of consistency if nothing else.

Companions' highest affinity status needs 5000 rapport. You start with 750 (Cordial) and each companion quest gives 500. Mirri and Bastion both have two thus 1000 and Ember and Isobel have three for a total of 1500. That would seem to make Blackwood companions have a lot longer journey for Companionship than the High Isle ones as getting 3250 rapport does look much more than 2750.
Except.
Blackwood companions have no cap how many times they can get rapport from their rapport daily quests per day while High Isle ones do.
A character can do 15 guild dailys to get 125 rapport each time for total of 1875 per day plus Mirri gets an extra 125/day from Numani-Rasi for a whopping 2000 per day. High Isle companions are stuck with two to three such activities for total of 250/375 per day. Madness, heist and Wayllod daily for Ember and Bolgrul & Parisse daily for Isobel.
That means that Blackwood companions chop each day easily 1875 away from that needed 3250 and High Isle companion rapport progress is a meagre 250 from the pile of 2750.

It takes five to almost seven times longer to get the keepsakes with High Isle companions than with Blackwood ones.

FluffWit

I'm honestly shocked you were able to find enough people to share guild dailies to do 15 in a day.

spartaxoxo

I don't see any good reason to nerf Bastian and Mirri because of extreme edge cases. The average player will likely level them significantly slower because there is less activities for them to do.

zaria

I did the high isle quests in an group and did multiple and get report all the time for both Ember and Isobel.
Pretty sure I get report from mage guild quests on Ember in group.
Now I do not know if it was 150 report each time.
But I also did it to level magic guild skill.

Pyr0xyrecuprotite

Ek1 wrote: »

Blackwood companions have no cap how many times they can get rapport from their rapport daily quests per day. High Isle ones do.

If this is true, then it's a bug in the current update (you didn't say which platform you are on). The main rapport bonus sources for Bastian and Mirri definitely all had a 20-hour cooldown (pre-High Isle) - and pre-High Isle, the Ashlander dailies were broken for gaining Mirri rapport too. I have not tested this out recently to verify if rapport is working as you describe at the moment, but it's definitely not supposed to.

I have been levelling rapport for the High Isle companions (who are also simply both better companions in my opinion), and Ember is by far easier to max rapport than any of the other companions, if rapport is working properly. Ember has four daily quests that you can do to get +125 rapport gain each, while as far as I know, Isobel only has two. Basically it takes about a week to max rapport on Ember if you really work at it, while it's more like 2 weeks for Isobel. It took me a LOT longer to get Bastian to max rapport; he's a pain.

Hapexamendios

I don't remember exactly how long it took to max out any of their rapports, but I'm pretty it took me more than 11 days for each. Probably about 20 would be a good guess.

NeuroticPixels

Pyr0xyrecuprotite wrote: »

Ek1 wrote: »

Blackwood companions have no cap how many times they can get rapport from their rapport daily quests per day. High Isle ones do.

If this is true, then it's a bug in the current update (you didn't say which platform you are on). The main rapport bonus sources for Bastian and Mirri definitely all had a 20-hour cooldown (pre-High Isle)

I remember people doing as many guild dailies as possible for Mirri before High Isle. I’m on PC.
Several times, Mournhold chat was full of players asking others to share guild dailies with them.

Unless that was a total fever dream and my mind made that up for some reason… I’m pretty sure you could do all guild dailies for the companions each day (as long as you found people to share the dailies you had yet to do that day) and get rapport each time.

jtm1018

I was just glad that Mirri was with me for a couple of days adventuring in tamriel. Was bummed she already reach max rappor with her. Same with dame Veloise. Now I hang out with a teenage maengie puss.

SammyKhajit

OP that’s quite the, um, loophole you found!

jtm1018 wrote: »

I was just glad that Mirri was with me for a couple of days adventuring in tamriel. Was bummed she already reach max rappor with her. Same with dame Veloise. Now I hang out with a teenage maengie puss.

Confession: this one tried really, really hard to like Ember but she is testing Sammy’s patience in terms of not liking fishing or reading and the line “Doing something with magicky?" For some reason it really sets this one’s teeth on edge.

Her personal quests were great though.

tohopka_eso

I found the opposite, was able to get Izzy's rapport up quicker then Bastian and mirri haven't really touched ember much though.
FYI, this is coming from a solo player that doesn't group and is not in a guild.

redlink1979

tohopka_eso wrote: »

I found the opposite(...)

Opposite here either: I took a lot lesser time to increase rapport on High Isle companion than the others.
No intensive grind involved, just doing the daily quests regularly (2 daily quests for Isobel n 2 daily quests for Ember per day)
Besides that, Bastian has fewer sources of good rapport compared to Mirri.

tomofhyrule

Really? Bastian only has a single source of a +125 rapport, whereas the other companions have two (or three!). Bastian and Mirri also only have two rapport quests to Isobel and Ember's three. It seems like the newer companions have so many more sources of rapport. I've basically gotten both new companions to their second quest without even trying or looking at what raises their rapport.

I actually wish Basti and Mirri were brought in line with the other two. A third quest, furnishing letters, more idle dialogue... it really feels like the original two (especially Bastian) were quickly discarded once the new ones came along and were designed to be better in every way.

I suppose this is only a problem for people who are grinding the old companions with tons of guild quests, and that's not common. Plus I remember they did have a cooldown before, so that might just be a bug introduced recently. Or it could be intended, considering how my best bro seems to be so hated by the developers and the community, that they just want people to grind him to max rapport and then switch him back out for everyone who's 'infinitely better.'

That's okay, Bastian, you can stay with me...

Tenthirty2

FluffWit wrote: »

I'm honestly shocked you were able to find enough people to share guild dailies to do 15 in a day.

I'm honestly shocked they were able to find enough willpower to DO 15 guild dailies in a day

Treselegant

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Really? Bastian only has a single source of a +125 rapport, whereas the other companions have two (or three!). Bastian and Mirri also only have two rapport quests to Isobel and Ember's three. It seems like the newer companions have so many more sources of rapport. I've basically gotten both new companions to their second quest without even trying or looking at what raises their rapport.

I actually wish Basti and Mirri were brought in line with the other two. A third quest, furnishing letters, more idle dialogue... it really feels like the original two (especially Bastian) were quickly discarded once the new ones came along and were designed to be better in every way.

I suppose this is only a problem for people who are grinding the old companions with tons of guild quests, and that's not common. Plus I remember they did have a cooldown before, so that might just be a bug introduced recently. Or it could be intended, considering how my best bro seems to be so hated by the developers and the community, that they just want people to grind him to max rapport and then switch him back out for everyone who's 'infinitely better.'

That's okay, Bastian, you can stay with me...

Not to bang my drum again but Bastian has the least sources of rapport, the least environmental interaction and seemingly less care was taken in his implementation. Someone up top really loves the lady companions because so much attention was given to them. The attitude adopted early on that "hey everyone loves Mirri so who cares about anyone else" was really shocking for me as someone who has played rpgs with companions before. Surely as people making a piece of media for the engagement of many different types of people - you need to understand your favourites as a developer are not going to be everyone else favourites. Anyone who has ever played an rgp with companions knows that player favourites are so so varied.

Despite all this, you still see plenty of Bastians out in the world and he has a decent presence out there in terms of fan works and engagement. It's just funny to me in way, you have a group of players literally doing the 'take my money' meme for more Blackwood companion content and the team is just...nah .

Auldwulfe

SammyKhajit wrote: »

OP that’s quite the, um, loophole you found!

jtm1018 wrote: »

I was just glad that Mirri was with me for a couple of days adventuring in tamriel. Was bummed she already reach max rappor with her. Same with dame Veloise. Now I hang out with a teenage maengie puss.

Confession: this one tried really, really hard to like Ember but she is testing Sammy’s patience in terms of not liking fishing or reading and the line “Doing something with magicky?" For some reason it really sets this one’s teeth on edge.

Her personal quests were great though.

This Imperial is in agreement - Norinius hates the word "Magicky"

Auldwulfe

whitecrow

I maxed rapport with the new companions much faster than I did the first two, but maybe it's because their big dailies were right there (in High Isle) rather than having to travel to other locations. And I never ever got rapport from the Ashlander daily.

SaffronCitrusflower

It's double XP right now and I still can't get the motivation to level the new companions. It's just too much of a grind. I got their rapport maxed, but leveling them is just no fun. Ember by far is the best companion so far too, but still, grinding out that XP is just a drag.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Straight away you're even stating wrong information. Blackwood companions has less ways to get rapport and Bastian has the least of the two. Mirri and Isobel has 2 dailies that gives a high amount of rapport, Ember has three and Bastian has one.
Ember has a ridiculous amount of ways to increase her rapport in general with her 3 high rewarding dailies and several medium giving ones. After I had finished one of her quests I had her next one instantly ready because of how fast she gets rapport.

High Isle's companions also has one more quests, more dialogue and their letter sent to you is given as a furniture item. I even made a discussion of how imbalanced the Blackwood and High Isle companions are with Blackwood's having less attention and features, and even among those two Bastian has less than Mirri. Isn't it enoughfor ZOS that his adopted family treat him like an unwanted step-child but they need to do it as well?

rpa

I've maxed rapport for all companions playing with one char (rest do writs when I bother). Do the daily chores and it happens fast enough. THE slow thing is getting companions levelled and geared.

Ek1

Pyr0xyrecuprotite wrote: »

If this is true, then it's a bug in the current update (you didn't say which platform you are on).

I have selected PC in my profile. Seems it does not show in here. Rapport sources are from last week and you can check them on uesp.net's wiki about rapport

Pyr0xyrecuprotite wrote: »

The main rapport bonus sources for Bastian and Mirri definitely all had a 20-hour cooldown (pre-High Isle) - and pre-High Isle, the Ashlander dailies were broken for gaining Mirri rapport too. I have not tested this out recently to verify if rapport is working as you describe at the moment, but it's definitely not supposed to.

Well I can tell you it is and it is been like this since the release of Blackwood companions.

Pyr0xyrecuprotite wrote: »

Ember has four daily quests that you can do to get +125 rapport gain each

What is the fourth? Heist, relic retrieving (Alvur Baren), information collecting (Wayllod) and ____?

Ek1

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Really? Bastian only has a single source of a +125 rapport, whereas the other companions have two (or three!).

Yes but no. As stated in OP both Blackwood companions receive rapport from the guild quest without cooldown. Mirri's relic rapport has cooldown. Also stated in OP the later High isle companions have more sources but those have cooldowns.

tsaescishoeshiner

Ember and Isobel were faster for me because they had a higher number of preferred dailies. I think the fact that Bastian & Mirri are possible in two days is a good reason to have changed it.

The downside is that sharing dailies for companion rapport got people to group up more, which was nice.

Ek1

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Straight away you're even stating wrong information.

Seems you missed the whole point of the number of rapport sources vs cooldowns that the OP was about.
With Mirri you can get 2000 rapport by doing 16 quests. Ember gets 375 from three quests. You want to calculate how many pickpocketing you need to do with Ember to close the gap of 1625 rapport _per day_?
Please, can you point out where the information is wrong?

The_one_i_seek

@Pyr0xyrecuprotite blackwood companions have NO COOLDOWN for +125 rapport quests, it is not a bug and it is still working

easy to do 15 quests per day, if you have second account with 15 characters made specifically for sharing various types of dailies

ADarklore

The_one_i_seek wrote: »

@Pyr0xyrecuprotite blackwood companions have NO COOLDOWN for +125 rapport quests, it is not a bug and it is still working

easy to do 15 quests per day, if you have second account with 15 characters made specifically for sharing various types of dailies

This is an outdated thread, and as an FYI, they are changing the rapport gain with Necrom to make it easier to gain rapport on ALL companions by lowering the amount needed for each level.

zaria

The_one_i_seek wrote: »

@Pyr0xyrecuprotite blackwood companions have NO COOLDOWN for +125 rapport quests, it is not a bug and it is still working

easy to do 15 quests per day, if you have second account with 15 characters made specifically for sharing various types of dailies

Yes, I leveled up Mirri with some friends sharing dailies. This does not work for Ember and Isobel

Maitsukas

ADarklore wrote: »

The_one_i_seek wrote: »

@Pyr0xyrecuprotite blackwood companions have NO COOLDOWN for +125 rapport quests, it is not a bug and it is still working

easy to do 15 quests per day, if you have second account with 15 characters made specifically for sharing various types of dailies

This is an outdated thread, and as an FYI, they are changing the rapport gain with Necrom to make it easier to gain rapport on ALL companions by lowering the amount needed for each level.

What also changes, is the amount of Combat XP a Companion earns depending on their friendship level. The further towards the green one of the bar you are, the more XP will be earned.

ADarklore

Maitsukas wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

The_one_i_seek wrote: »

@Pyr0xyrecuprotite blackwood companions have NO COOLDOWN for +125 rapport quests, it is not a bug and it is still working

easy to do 15 quests per day, if you have second account with 15 characters made specifically for sharing various types of dailies

This is an outdated thread, and as an FYI, they are changing the rapport gain with Necrom to make it easier to gain rapport on ALL companions by lowering the amount needed for each level.

What actually changes, is the amount of Combat XP a Companion earns depending on their friendship level. The further towards the green one of the bar you are, the more XP will be earned.

PTS Notes:
"Significantly reduced the amount of rapport needed to reach the Friendly, Close, Allied, and Companion rapport tiers for all companions."

Maitsukas

ADarklore wrote: »

Maitsukas wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

The_one_i_seek wrote: »

@Pyr0xyrecuprotite blackwood companions have NO COOLDOWN for +125 rapport quests, it is not a bug and it is still working

easy to do 15 quests per day, if you have second account with 15 characters made specifically for sharing various types of dailies

This is an outdated thread, and as an FYI, they are changing the rapport gain with Necrom to make it easier to gain rapport on ALL companions by lowering the amount needed for each level.

What actually changes, is the amount of Combat XP a Companion earns depending on their friendship level. The further towards the green one of the bar you are, the more XP will be earned.

PTS Notes:
"Significantly reduced the amount of rapport needed to reach the Friendly, Close, Allied, and Companion rapport tiers for all companions."

Right above these notes:

• All companions now gain an increasing amount of experience based on the level of rapport they have reached with the associated player character. Each rapport tier above Cordial provides an additional 5% absolute experience gain over the base 15% amount received at cordial and below.
  • The amount of experience gained by the companion does not reduce the amount of experience received by the player and experience-increasing effects applied to the player do increase the amount received by the companion as a result.

ADarklore

Maitsukas wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Maitsukas wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

The_one_i_seek wrote: »

@Pyr0xyrecuprotite blackwood companions have NO COOLDOWN for +125 rapport quests, it is not a bug and it is still working

easy to do 15 quests per day, if you have second account with 15 characters made specifically for sharing various types of dailies

This is an outdated thread, and as an FYI, they are changing the rapport gain with Necrom to make it easier to gain rapport on ALL companions by lowering the amount needed for each level.

What actually changes, is the amount of Combat XP a Companion earns depending on their friendship level. The further towards the green one of the bar you are, the more XP will be earned.

PTS Notes:
"Significantly reduced the amount of rapport needed to reach the Friendly, Close, Allied, and Companion rapport tiers for all companions."

Right above these notes:

• All companions now gain an increasing amount of experience based on the level of rapport they have reached with the associated player character. Each rapport tier above Cordial provides an additional 5% absolute experience gain over the base 15% amount received at cordial and below.
  • The amount of experience gained by the companion does not reduce the amount of experience received by the player and experience-increasing effects applied to the player do increase the amount received by the companion as a result.

Oh funny, I like how you edited your initial comment from "What actually changes" to "What also changes" after my reply, making it sound very different.

amig186

The_one_i_seek wrote: »

@Pyr0xyrecuprotite blackwood companions have NO COOLDOWN for +125 rapport quests, it is not a bug and it is still working

easy to do 15 quests per day, if you have second account with 15 characters made specifically for sharing various types of dailies

How do you share them to your main one though? You can't be logged in to both accounts at the same time on one PC. You'd still need an intermediary, right?