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Soul Cairn/Telvanni/Hammerfell content next year?
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I'd give ES:VI at least 10 years away. I sense that Todd Howard either doesn't want to work on it right now or he simply can't while they work on Starfield.3 -
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✭Finedaible wrote: »
I'd give ES:VI at least 10 years away. I sense that Todd Howard either doesn't want to work on it right now or he simply can't while they work on Starfield.
I think you could be right. If definitely feels that way.
The only reason we got the teaser trailer back then was because Pete Hines and company were tired of fielding questions about ES6 from media and fans on Twitter.2 -
Kajuratus✭✭✭Hammerfell is boring. Like sand in your bikini at the beach-level of boring. Like getting stung by a jelly fish and waiting for someone at the health clinic on the boardwalk to sprinkle some vineagar on your arm-level of boring.
You might want to refresh your knowledge about Hammerfell's biomes. ESO got the southern Bangkorai region wrong, a more accurate Hammerfell looks like this.
Also, think about how BGS will want to depict Hammerfell in TES VI. If its going to be boring traversing a desert for the entire game, its going to be boring making a desert game. If its going to be boring to play, they're not going to do that. They're going to have a diverse range of biomes in their game. Remember how Skyrim was previously said to be entirely covered in snow apart from the western corner of the Reach? Hammerfell wasn't even all desert in Arena, never mind what Daggerfall showed us.
However, with this information in mind, ZOS will definitely want to have a desert as part of their Hammerfell chapter. They could release the Khefrem region as part of their chapter, which could connect up the Alik'r desert to Hews Bane, and for their DLC zone, they'll probably want to show a less deserty region of Hammerfell, so they could go to Rihad, with it being a bit greener as its closer to Cyrodiil. Leave a road open to connect up to the Colovian Estates whenever they get around to doing that region, and maybe include boats going from Rihad to both Anvil and Abah's Landing, like they did with Leyawiin having boats to Murkmire and Southern Elsweyr.So the Dark Elves have weird alien architecture, where people live in mushroom towers and the shell of a giant crab, but the High Elves, the pinnacle of technology, the most magically advanced race in Tamriel, are still stuck in slightly pretty, fairly tall stone buildings? Not even a hint of a glass city? Are stainless glass windows really enough to claim that a city is made of glass?1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »Since ES 6 appears to take place in the Redguard area, I doubt Hammerfell will be an ingame location for some time.
Skyrim started being made while ESO was still being developed, yet we have Skyrim. No reason Hammerfell could appear more (it already appear a bit in ESO) just because ES6 has the rumour of having some Hammerfell.
I don’t know what this proves.
Skyrim was released in 2011.
Eso was released in 2014.
Hammerfell in eso is NOT going to be released before es 6 does theirs. It does not make sense. The stand alone es games have a much bigger audience than the mmo does. And the stand alone games are not going to have their hype interfered with by the mmo.
There may be a release in eso to support the es6 game, a form of in game advertising for it. But the stand alone game will come first.
ESO's development begun before Skyrim. Skyrim was done and released faster. So one singleplayer containing a certain area is unlikely to hinder the same area appearing in ESO. They do communicate with eachother.
Also ES6 is a long way ahead. Avoiding Hammerfell, the province with least content, for 6 chapters or more is unlikely to happen.[Lie] Of course! I don't even worship Daedra!4 -
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✭BloodyStigmata wrote: »There are so many empty spots on the Tamriel map right now and we're already 8 years into the game.
If we get another chapter in another dreary undead or daedric place like the soul-cairn or Oblivion and not in fetching Tamriel, I'm going to eat one of my guar.
I'd suggest a good melon sauce with that, maybe sprinkled with smoked scrib jelly.......
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✭NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »Also ES6 is a long way ahead. Avoiding Hammerfell, the province with least content, for 6 chapters or more is unlikely to happen.
^^^^ By the time TES6 comes out in 11/22/33, ESO Hammerfell DLC will be but a distant memory.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭CNotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »Since ES 6 appears to take place in the Redguard area, I doubt Hammerfell will be an ingame location for some time.
Skyrim started being made while ESO was still being developed, yet we have Skyrim. No reason Hammerfell could appear more (it already appear a bit in ESO) just because ES6 has the rumour of having some Hammerfell.
I don’t know what this proves.
Skyrim was released in 2011.
Eso was released in 2014.
Hammerfell in eso is NOT going to be released before es 6 does theirs. It does not make sense. The stand alone es games have a much bigger audience than the mmo does. And the stand alone games are not going to have their hype interfered with by the mmo.
There may be a release in eso to support the es6 game, a form of in game advertising for it. But the stand alone game will come first.
ESO's development begun before Skyrim. Skyrim was done and released faster. So one singleplayer containing a certain area is unlikely to hinder the same area appearing in ESO. They do communicate with eachother.
Also ES6 is a long way ahead. Avoiding Hammerfell, the province with least content, for 6 chapters or more is unlikely to happen.
Look I get it. You really want hammerfell to happen, but if ES 6 is located there, eso cannot touch it until Bethesda are finished with the game. Do you understand?
How the zone looks, the architecture of the area, how the towns are placed, what creatures roam the area… All of it is dictated by the stand alone games. Bethesda is the 400 pound gorilla, they call the shots.
The mmo cannot take the lead. You are talking about a game (ES 6) that could cost hundreds of millions of dollars to make vs eso’s development team which is much smaller. They are not going to allow eso to dictate the lore to ES 6. It’s going to be the reverse.
Eso cannot make hammerfell, until ES 6 (if ES 6 takes place there) is much farther along in development. Not until places and designs are more concrete. Then the eso team can start working on it.
Even then ES 6 will be released first. It would be the equivalent of ABC (which is owned by Disney) wanting to do a live prime time Fantastic Four tv show, before the marvel movie company comes out with theirs. It will just not be permitted.1 -
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✭I'm hoping for Hammerfell chapter, I can imagine that location with the traps and puzzles from Murkmire, the market style music like Elswyr and the miles of terrain with deep underground massives caverns that have ancient ruins and lush waterfalls and flora.
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✭NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »Since ES 6 appears to take place in the Redguard area, I doubt Hammerfell will be an ingame location for some time.
Skyrim started being made while ESO was still being developed, yet we have Skyrim. No reason Hammerfell could appear more (it already appear a bit in ESO) just because ES6 has the rumour of having some Hammerfell.
I don’t know what this proves.
Skyrim was released in 2011.
Eso was released in 2014.
They were working on ESO 7 years prior to the 2014 launch.
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✭✭✭✭The problem with the Soul Cairn is a pretty big one, ZOS would have to alter the entry to it for Vampire Players because as seen in Dawnguard Vampires are not counted among the living so can enter the Realm of the Dead without any issue at all, mortals on the otherhand need to Barter because the Soul Cairn feeds off of Life Energy, in the Dragonborn's case they would of had to have become a Vampire or given up a piece of their soul as a payment if they were not undead at the time to safely enter but once entered they would soon become accustomed to it regardless of their condition.
The Vestige is unique in that they may or may not have a Soul based on what you have done with the Main Quest so that could be used as a way to safely enter if not a Vampire however what would this mean for living players with a Soul? I guess an explanation could be shoehorned in just with different dialogue based on if your a vampire or not and if not a Vampire it could imply that your "nature" or ability to save yourself from being destroyed AKA Reviving when killed has made your will strong enough to resist the pull of the Soul Cairn.Edited by TX12001rwb17_ESO on October 26, 2022 5:34AM0 -
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✭✭CNotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »Since ES 6 appears to take place in the Redguard area, I doubt Hammerfell will be an ingame location for some time.
Skyrim started being made while ESO was still being developed, yet we have Skyrim. No reason Hammerfell could appear more (it already appear a bit in ESO) just because ES6 has the rumour of having some Hammerfell.
I don’t know what this proves.
Skyrim was released in 2011.
Eso was released in 2014.
Hammerfell in eso is NOT going to be released before es 6 does theirs. It does not make sense. The stand alone es games have a much bigger audience than the mmo does. And the stand alone games are not going to have their hype interfered with by the mmo.
There may be a release in eso to support the es6 game, a form of in game advertising for it. But the stand alone game will come first.
ESO's development begun before Skyrim. Skyrim was done and released faster. So one singleplayer containing a certain area is unlikely to hinder the same area appearing in ESO. They do communicate with eachother.
Also ES6 is a long way ahead. Avoiding Hammerfell, the province with least content, for 6 chapters or more is unlikely to happen.
Look I get it. You really want hammerfell to happen, but if ES 6 is located there, eso cannot touch it until Bethesda are finished with the game. Do you understand?
How the zone looks, the architecture of the area, how the towns are placed, what creatures roam the area… All of it is dictated by the stand alone games. Bethesda is the 400 pound gorilla, they call the shots.
The mmo cannot take the lead. You are talking about a game (ES 6) that could cost hundreds of millions of dollars to make vs eso’s development team which is much smaller. They are not going to allow eso to dictate the lore to ES 6. It’s going to be the reverse.
Eso cannot make hammerfell, until ES 6 (if ES 6 takes place there) is much farther along in development. Not until places and designs are more concrete. Then the eso team can start working on it.
Even then ES 6 will be released first. It would be the equivalent of ABC (which is owned by Disney) wanting to do a live prime time Fantastic Four tv show, before the marvel movie company comes out with theirs. It will just not be permitted.
Except ESO already made Hammerfell, so your point is moot. Several zones are already in the game, Alik'r Desert, Bangkorai, Craglorn, and Hew's Bane. What's 2 more?PC - NACP 1125
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Look I get it. You really want hammerfell to happen, but if ES 6 is located there, eso cannot touch it until Bethesda are finished with the game. Do you understand?
Again, why? What is your source on that?
Again, but this has already been done with Skyrim. Skyrim was developed in ESO before Skyrim. Clearly this is not an issue.How the zone looks, the architecture of the area, how the towns are placed, what creatures roam the area… All of it is dictated by the stand alone games. Bethesda is the 400 pound gorilla, they call the shots.
Secondly, we already have Hammerfell in ESO. Alik'r, Hew's Bane and partly Craglorn and Bangkorai.
Ah yes, because ESO doesn't cost millions either and hasn't stood for most of the lore added to Elder Scrolls for years now. Wait, it has.The mmo cannot take the lead. You are talking about a game (ES 6) that could cost hundreds of millions of dollars to make vs eso’s development team which is much smaller. They are not going to allow eso to dictate the lore to ES 6. It’s going to be the reverse.
We have no idea how far they are, we have no idea if it actually will have Hammerfell, we know they communicate they have told us so and on it goes.Eso cannot make hammerfell, until ES 6 (if ES 6 takes place there) is much farther along in development. Not until places and designs are more concrete. Then the eso team can start working on it.
Saying "It's not going to happen" like it's a fact is just just wrong, because nothing here is clear-cut. Do I know Hammerfell chapter will happen? No of course not, but I do hope so. Would be very wasteful to not do anything there for who knows how many years. But neither do you know it won't happen.[Lie] Of course! I don't even worship Daedra!3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭James-Wayne wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »Since ES 6 appears to take place in the Redguard area, I doubt Hammerfell will be an ingame location for some time.
Skyrim started being made while ESO was still being developed, yet we have Skyrim. No reason Hammerfell could appear more (it already appear a bit in ESO) just because ES6 has the rumour of having some Hammerfell.
I don’t know what this proves.
Skyrim was released in 2011.
Eso was released in 2014.
They were working on ESO 7 years prior to the 2014 launch.
And on day 1 they designed Skyrim?
Before the engine was built?
Look we already know that Todd Howard can make eso not work on certain chapter ideas. (Edit: one link among many: https://www.pcgamesn.com/the-elder-scrolls-online/dwemer ) He had veto power and he has exorcised that power. That means the power of what eso can do largely rests with him.
It makes zero sense to allow eso to take the lead on developing hammerfell. He will want to do it (if ES 6 is placed there).Edited by BlueRaven on October 26, 2022 12:35PM0 -
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✭✭James-Wayne wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »Since ES 6 appears to take place in the Redguard area, I doubt Hammerfell will be an ingame location for some time.
Skyrim started being made while ESO was still being developed, yet we have Skyrim. No reason Hammerfell could appear more (it already appear a bit in ESO) just because ES6 has the rumour of having some Hammerfell.
I don’t know what this proves.
Skyrim was released in 2011.
Eso was released in 2014.
They were working on ESO 7 years prior to the 2014 launch.
And on day 1 they designed Skyrim?
Before the engine was built?
Look we already know that Todd Howard can make eso not work on certain chapter ideas. (Edit: one link among many: https://www.pcgamesn.com/the-elder-scrolls-online/dwemer ) He had veto power and he has exorcised that power. That means the power of what eso can do largely rests with him.
It makes zero sense to allow eso to take the lead on developing hammerfell. He will want to do it (if ES 6 is placed there).
Oh please. That was about the Dwemer, which is a race shrouded in mystery. Thats not at all comparable to Redguards/Hammerfell.
"Todd said no dwemer so ESO cant make Hammerfell" is not the point you think it is. And you haven't even addressed how much of Hammerfell is already in the game, let alone the amount of Reguard lore we gained from each zone. If ESO couldn't take the lead on adding new zones and new lore, then why do we have all the lore and zones we have now? Oh thats right because this game takes place almost a thousand years before Skyrim. They can easily change the lore to fit whatever they need if they were to make a game in Hammerfell.PC - NACP 1125
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✭✭✭✭✭CSilverIce58 wrote: »James-Wayne wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »Since ES 6 appears to take place in the Redguard area, I doubt Hammerfell will be an ingame location for some time.
Skyrim started being made while ESO was still being developed, yet we have Skyrim. No reason Hammerfell could appear more (it already appear a bit in ESO) just because ES6 has the rumour of having some Hammerfell.
I don’t know what this proves.
Skyrim was released in 2011.
Eso was released in 2014.
They were working on ESO 7 years prior to the 2014 launch.
And on day 1 they designed Skyrim?
Before the engine was built?
Look we already know that Todd Howard can make eso not work on certain chapter ideas. (Edit: one link among many: https://www.pcgamesn.com/the-elder-scrolls-online/dwemer ) He had veto power and he has exorcised that power. That means the power of what eso can do largely rests with him.
It makes zero sense to allow eso to take the lead on developing hammerfell. He will want to do it (if ES 6 is placed there).
Oh please. That was about the Dwemer, which is a race shrouded in mystery. Thats not at all comparable to Redguards/Hammerfell.
"Todd said no dwemer so ESO cant make Hammerfell" is not the point you think it is. And you haven't even addressed how much of Hammerfell is already in the game, let alone the amount of Reguard lore we gained from each zone. If ESO couldn't take the lead on adding new zones and new lore, then why do we have all the lore and zones we have now? Oh thats right because this game takes place almost a thousand years before Skyrim. They can easily change the lore to fit whatever they need if they were to make a game in Hammerfell.
(First, I don’t make decisions for what eso does. Nor does zos read my forums posts for design decisions. I am simply pointing out the obvious. There is no reason to act so aggressive towards me.)
“Eso can’t work on Hammerfell because Todd is NOW (probably) working on Hammerfell” is the point. And Todd has veto power over eso.
And honestly do you really think there will be two DC centric chapters in a row?
Which came first, eso’s design for riften or ES 5’s? It was ES 5.
Eso‘s rift area is based on the designs that the stand alone games were doing. (Or do you think the path of 7000(?) steps was eso’s idea.) Also Eso seems free to work on areas that the stand alone games haven’t touched yet. Thats how we got alik’r, but now that the stand alone games are possibly (probably?) focusing on that area, eso will probably have to hold their horses on developing that region.
If ES6 takes place in Hammerfell, eso is not going to touch it until it’s well into development. I can easily see eso releasing their hammerfell in support of ES 6. A kind of cross promotion, and that would be the earliest we see hammerfell in eso.Edited by BlueRaven on October 26, 2022 3:15PM0 -
kaushad✭✭✭✭SilverIce58 wrote: »Except ESO already made Hammerfell, so your point is moot. Several zones are already in the game, Alik'r Desert, Bangkorai, Craglorn, and Hew's Bane. What's 2 more?
Unless TESVI is just set in southern Hammerfell excluding Hew's Bane.1 -
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✭✭I'd prefer Telvanni Peninsula over Hammerfell. I hope however that this time they'll make Telvanni towers right, as in mushroom trees, and not stone towers with cancer."I bear the cruel weight of certainty. Total, absolute, relentless certainty. People rarely comprehend the luxury of doubt... the freedom that comes with indecision. I envy you."
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kaushad✭✭✭✭I'd prefer Telvanni Peninsula over Hammerfell. I hope however that this time they'll make Telvanni towers right, as in mushroom trees, and not stone towers with cancer.
They always introduce a new architecture set for chapters, even for places that could reasonably use an existing one. Although it would be a little peculiar if the eastern Telvanni towers looked more like TESIII's towers than ESO's towers along Azura's Coast. And they could make a new "stone tower with cancer" set, funny as that would be. Or they might resemble Tel Mithryn.0 -
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✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »
There's lots of wiggle room there. Stonefalls and Deshaan are also in Morrowind, but at the same time they have different feel to Vvardenfell. Different towers, or at least towers with refined, non "pink cancer" look are definitely possible. And yes, I'm biased, as I prefer Morrowind over Hammerfell. Still, I wouldn't be mad if we got Hammerfell after all."I bear the cruel weight of certainty. Total, absolute, relentless certainty. People rarely comprehend the luxury of doubt... the freedom that comes with indecision. I envy you."
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✭I'd prefer Telvanni Peninsula over Hammerfell. I hope however that this time they'll make Telvanni towers right, as in mushroom trees, and not stone towers with cancer.
I like to explain this away as the Telvanni having not perfected their mycomancy yet, so they still need the structural integrity that regular building materials provide.Owner and proprietor of the Northern Elsweyr Guar Reserve and The Hunting Grounds Guar Reserve, Tamriel's home to all things guar.See the embedded brochures for all information regarding our reserves, as well as our collection status!0 -
Kajuratus✭✭✭And honestly do you really think there will be two DC centric chapters in a row?
Summerset and Elsweyr. Two AD chapters in a row. And southern Hammerfell isn't even a part of the Covenant.
Having said that, I have my doubts about getting any Hammerfell content in ESO for a while. Not because BGS has told them to not explore the location for TES VI, that makes no sense, the only people stopping ZOS from doing anything in Hammerfell are ZOS themselves. The fact they decided to do the Systres archipelago this year instead of Hammerfell speaks volumes, when that is the only province that hasn't had a year's worth of content dedicated to it, and has more than enough room to dedicate a year to it. We know that BGS will do whatever they want for TES VI, previous lore be damned. Its that damning of previous lore I think is the reason ZOS are avoiding Hammerfell. If they present Hammerfell in a certain way, and BGS do something different, ZOS will be accused of getting it wrong, because the average fan doesn't understand that these games are all interpretations of the lore, rather than a 100% accurate depiction.So the Dark Elves have weird alien architecture, where people live in mushroom towers and the shell of a giant crab, but the High Elves, the pinnacle of technology, the most magically advanced race in Tamriel, are still stuck in slightly pretty, fairly tall stone buildings? Not even a hint of a glass city? Are stainless glass windows really enough to claim that a city is made of glass?3 -
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Thats true. I keep forgetting that murkmire, which came between, was a dlc and not a chapter.0