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Please Don't Remove the Kothringi Race from High Isle's Amenos (They can be Justified)

Aliyavana
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On Live Servers, Kothringi can be seen on Amenos among the Green Serpent gang, however, as of PTS Patch Notes v8.2.3, they have removed the Kothringi from Amenos with the following notes:

Fixed some issues where Bretons could sometimes appear as Kothringi (silver skinned) across the game.

The Kothringi are said to be extinct, except when they are not (Some are still alive serving the Ideal Masters in the Soul Cairne, according to the Stillrise Ritecaller costume)

I was surprised when i saw this change, as they do wear Argonian style armor which indicated where they came from, as well as the recent inclusion of a Kothringi-themed costume in the recent crown crate season.

The Kothringi served as a good excuse to justify the asset reuse of Black Marsh assets such as Hackwings and Black Marsh plants (Scuttle Blooms, Static Pitcher, Lantern Mantis, etc) being on the Systres Archipelago. Perhaps they brought them there.

The story of the Crimson Ship can be used to justify the Kothringi being on Amenos. The ship carried the Kothringi infected with the Knahaten Flu sailed west into the Abecean (which could be towards High Isle and Amenos) after being rejected by every port. The Kothringi are known to be avid sailors, maybe despite Amenos being very far from home, reaching it was not out of place for their people.

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One NPC notes seeing the ship recently (though the source is questionable), and when the ship disappeared it was only 20 years before ESO. Theres another source that says they died, but the source appears to be fiictional.

Picture: Green Serpent Archer on live servers
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Edited by Aliyavana on October 19, 2022 12:06PM
  • newtinmpls
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    I like this idea!
    Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
    Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
    Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
    Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.
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    Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
    House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
    Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis
  • RaddlemanNumber7
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    It is sad that we're not getting anything more about the Kothringi. But, the Crimson Ship's fate has always been a mystery, and I guess that's the way they want it to stay.

    Looking at the Ritecallers costume, it's strange that they would link the Kothringi in Stillrise to the Ideal Masters. The Stillrise village story involves Clavicus Vile, not the Ideal Masters.

    Stranger still that there are so many new things in the game this year that relate to the Soul Cairn, and yet there is still no Soul Cairn. That saddens me far more.
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  • Rampeal
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    That is the theme with Bethesda. They have all these cool races and just wouldn't you know? They are all extinct, live in a different land, or just plain don't appear in the game. Elder Scrolls is the first Post Apocalyptic fantasy game I ever played.
  • Lykeion
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    Yes, this is very strange to me. I find it hard not to believe that they didn't remove many races that should have been added to the game to save work. How can Lilmoth be without Lilmothiit? How can a race disappear without a trace in such a short period of time, and leave almost no evidence of their existence?
  • TheRimOfTheSky
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    Lykeion wrote: »
    Yes, this is very strange to me. I find it hard not to believe that they didn't remove many races that should have been added to the game to save work. How can Lilmoth be without Lilmothiit? How can a race disappear without a trace in such a short period of time, and leave almost no evidence of their existence?

    This exactly. They ignored Lilmothiit entirely, like how Blackrose Prison is supposed to be made of Lilmothiit ruins but looks Imperial in-game, because it would mean they would have to be creative and make new architecture; simple as that. Kothringi were also sidelined in Blackwood as Gideon is supposed to be their homeland but in-game its yet again boring Ayleid/Imperial architecture. It makes no sense considering the flu only showed up 15 years ago, they're not supposed to be all gone.

    I wish they listened to fans and stopped sidelining these more interesting, obscure races that no other game has a chance to explore. The snow elves were a fan favorite in skyrim for example.
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