Time for Bounty to be changed

DMuehlhausen

While having bounty isn't a large issue, and I don't do a lot of thieving or murdering anyway I just feel bounty should work a little different.

I've started doing the Thieves and Dark Brotherhood line on a new character. I find it frustrating and annoying that if I kill somebody in Anvil, travel to the Sanctuary and then am told to kill somebody in Auridon that the bounty follows me. First I don't think High Elves would care if I was killing that feel are below them anyway, and unless we have some unknow super texting app in Tamriel how do they know I kill somebody in Anvil.

Even in the same zone to a point is silly, but makes some sense, or an adjacent zone, but even something like Eastmarch to Summerset...how do they know or why would they care.

opalcity

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Maybe whatever magicka that makes guards so unkillable, also informs them instantly what crimes someone has committed?

I do agree that guards knowing instantly is a bit immersion-breaking. Plus why would a guard in one faction care if I committed a crime in another faction's area?

I can't think of what could replace the justice system... Other than an Assassin's Creed-style bounty hunter that hunts you across Tamriel?

SeaGtGruff

Your character is a big deal in Tamriel. That's why people you meet recognize you as the one who did such-and-such, rescued so-and-so, and saved the whatever-it-was from being destroyed by you-know-who. It's your face, your outfit, your mount, your pet, the way you swagger around, etc. You're just too recognizable for your own good!

DMuehlhausen

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Your character is a big deal in Tamriel. That's why people you meet recognize you as the one who did such-and-such, rescued so-and-so, and saved the whatever-it-was from being destroyed by you-know-who. It's your face, your outfit, your mount, your pet, the way you swagger around, etc. You're just too recognizable for your own good!

Yes, but I'm fast travelling across an entire continent sometimes, there is no way they will know I have a current bounty in Bal Foyen in Wrothgar, and again with the 3 banners war etc they wouldn't care.

El_Borracho

Its not a bad idea, but that would mean putting your bounty timer on hold when you are out of the zone, which would create all sorts of problems.

DMuehlhausen

El_Borracho wrote: »

Its not a bad idea, but that would mean putting your bounty timer on hold when you are out of the zone, which would create all sorts of problems.

Why would it need to be on hold? That would be a reason to flee the zone if your bounty got to high until it went away. You could even achievements to have like a 5k bounty in each zone or something at the same time lol

heaven13

The server can’t handle character achievements anymore. There’s no way it can handle all the different variables it would have to track for every zone, each with their own countdown timer for each character.

Amottica

The idea is to not get the bounty in the first place. On top of that, we do get plenty of consumables to remove some of the bounties which I found more than sufficient when I made a mistake and got seen killing someone or picking a pocket.

In addition, the TG passive significantly speeds up the time it takes for the bounty to drop.

So again, do not get the bounty and pay for it or remove it when the mistake is made.

FluffyReachWitch

While I get that you're coming at this from a world-building perspective, it’s probably about balance.

Like yeah, it's weird that I can do petty thievery in High Rock and get arrested for it in Morrowind. But if you could escape your bounty just by hopping to a different zone, there wouldn’t be much of a point in having one. The bounty risks involved are already very manageable with skill points, champion points, fake pardons, and armor sets. All stuff that lets you experience gaining more skill in your profession. Letting people escape bounties by traveling to another part of Tamriel would render the rest of the system trivial.

So, if they were to rebuild the justice system for more immersion, they would need to do so without inadvertently breaking the risk-reward factor.

Necrotech_Master

the main problem i have with bounty is that the decay rate is awful (even i you have the bonuses which make it faster), and any other bounty aside from just being spotted in a trespassing area or being caught stealing/pickpocketing is just insane

~90g bounty for just being caught trespassing/stealing/pickpocketing (every instance with no cooldown)
~300-900g bounty for being witnessed killing a "civilian" npc or using a "criminal" ability like some necromancer/vampire/WW skills

i mean ive wandered around the overland and gotten a 300g bounty from a wandering merchant just because i was fighting some enemies and happened to still have a necromancy wraith still active, like im not even in a freaking town and now i have a 300g bounty because i was fighting an overland mob and a wandering merchant passed me?

i could understand there being a higher bounty for being caught blade of woe someone, that makes sense, but being given a relatively high bounty for participating in overland content almost makes me not want to play a necromancer

like i dont mind dueling people but if im on a necromancer, i straight up just auto decline duels, or if i have them enabled i will whisper the person and say "meet me at this wayshrine so i dont get killed by guards" which is just inconvenient

Dr_Con

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

i mean ive wandered around the overland and gotten a 300g bounty from a wandering merchant just because i was fighting some enemies and happened to still have a necromancy wraith still active, like im not even in a freaking town and now i have a 300g bounty because i was fighting an overland mob and a wandering merchant passed me?

i could understand there being a higher bounty for being caught blade of woe someone, that makes sense, but being given a relatively high bounty for participating in overland content almost makes me not want to play a necromancer

like i dont mind dueling people but if im on a necromancer, i straight up just auto decline duels, or if i have them enabled i will whisper the person and say "meet me at this wayshrine so i dont get killed by guards" which is just inconvenient

FINE, we get it already. nerf sorc

kargen27

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Your character is a big deal in Tamriel. That's why people you meet recognize you as the one who did such-and-such, rescued so-and-so, and saved the whatever-it-was from being destroyed by you-know-who. It's your face, your outfit, your mount, your pet, the way you swagger around, etc. You're just too recognizable for your own good!

Yes, but I'm fast travelling across an entire continent sometimes, there is no way they will know I have a current bounty in Bal Foyen in Wrothgar, and again with the 3 banners war etc they wouldn't care.

Warrants and bounty information also fast travels. Wayshrines aren't just for characters, mounts and pets.

Hapexamendios

Elder Scrolls guard telepathy

Carcamongus

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

While having bounty isn't a large issue, and I don't do a lot of thieving or murdering anyway I just feel bounty should work a little different.

I've started doing the Thieves and Dark Brotherhood line on a new character. I find it frustrating and annoying that if I kill somebody in Anvil, travel to the Sanctuary and then am told to kill somebody in Auridon that the bounty follows me. First I don't think High Elves would care if I was killing that feel are below them anyway, and unless we have some unknow super texting app in Tamriel how do they know I kill somebody in Anvil.

Even in the same zone to a point is silly, but makes some sense, or an adjacent zone, but even something like Eastmarch to Summerset...how do they know or why would they care.

This is because of Interpol. When you commit a crime, they issue a red notice about you. War or no war, no faction wants criminals walking about. Source: Todd Howard told me so.

ghastley

You think a system that has wayshrines can’t do guard communications just as quickly? Communication always outpaces travel. Even when the fastest travel was horseback, a carrier pigeon was faster.

Kisakee

Amottica wrote: »

The idea is to not get the bounty in the first place. On top of that, we do get plenty of consumables to remove some of the bounties which I found more than sufficient when I made a mistake and got seen killing someone or picking a pocket.

In addition, the TG passive significantly speeds up the time it takes for the bounty to drop.

So again, do not get the bounty and pay for it or remove it when the mistake is made.

There are not enough consumables in the game to make up for the bounties i have, that's for sure.

whitecrow

Kisakee wrote: »

There are not enough consumables in the game to make up for the bounties i have, that's for sure.

I'd send you mine but I don't think they are tradable. I have more than I know what to do with.

Kisakee

whitecrow wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

There are not enough consumables in the game to make up for the bounties i have, that's for sure.

I'd send you mine but I don't think they are tradable. I have more than I know what to do with.

Thank you kind sir but there's really no need for it. Plus i don't think that it would have even the slightest impact:

El_Borracho

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

Its not a bad idea, but that would mean putting your bounty timer on hold when you are out of the zone, which would create all sorts of problems.

Why would it need to be on hold? That would be a reason to flee the zone if your bounty got to high until it went away. You could even achievements to have like a 5k bounty in each zone or something at the same time lol

Because if the timer on the bounty ran while you were out of the zone, where you have no bounty, that would make bounties pointless.

They system you originally proposed is the system from Red Dead 2, which worked very well. But your bounty did not go away in the original zone until you paid it off. And they had achievements like the ones you describe, too.

Amottica

Kisakee wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

The idea is to not get the bounty in the first place. On top of that, we do get plenty of consumables to remove some of the bounties which I found more than sufficient when I made a mistake and got seen killing someone or picking a pocket.

In addition, the TG passive significantly speeds up the time it takes for the bounty to drop.

So again, do not get the bounty and pay for it or remove it when the mistake is made.

There are not enough consumables in the game to make up for the bounties i have, that's for sure.

That is where the first sentence came in. The idea is not to get the bounty in the first place.

Carcamongus

Kisakee wrote: »

whitecrow wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

There are not enough consumables in the game to make up for the bounties i have, that's for sure.

I'd send you mine but I don't think they are tradable. I have more than I know what to do with.

Thank you kind sir but there's really no need for it. Plus i don't think that it would have even the slightest impact:

Holy bloody freaking good-griefing cow, how is it even possible to go that high without becoming exhausted first?

Kisakee

Amottica wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

The idea is to not get the bounty in the first place. On top of that, we do get plenty of consumables to remove some of the bounties which I found more than sufficient when I made a mistake and got seen killing someone or picking a pocket.

In addition, the TG passive significantly speeds up the time it takes for the bounty to drop.

So again, do not get the bounty and pay for it or remove it when the mistake is made.

There are not enough consumables in the game to make up for the bounties i have, that's for sure.

That is where the first sentence came in. The idea is not to get the bounty in the first place.

That's not an option, sneaking and stealing silently is way too slow compared to open mass murder if we're talking masses.

Carcamongus wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

whitecrow wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

There are not enough consumables in the game to make up for the bounties i have, that's for sure.

I'd send you mine but I don't think they are tradable. I have more than I know what to do with.

Thank you kind sir but there's really no need for it. Plus i don't think that it would have even the slightest impact:

Holy bloody freaking good-griefing cow, how is it even possible to go that high without becoming exhausted first?

It's a nice and steady gold income for me. Doing murder on five toons and combined i'm well over 300 millions into bounty.