Why are these 100+ WORTHLESS SETS even in the game?

Crom_CCCXVI

Seriously, 90% of the sets are worthless

Way of Fire for example.. 1000 dmg every 2 seconds!. omg in PvP if like 50 people hit someone with that at the same time, they might have to heal or something.
Silks of the Sun gain 400 extra flame damage! lol. --- or just wear a set that gives you 350 damage for everything as that difference in reality is like Zero.
Not to mention all the "Hit someone with 35 light attacks and regain 500 magika!"..
A proc that does 4k dmg every 15seconds to a target with a 6m health, or a guy in PvP with 35k health

WHAT ARE YOU DOING? You have stripped away all the unique skills that gave classes identity. Ruined almost every set, turned CP into a Pick 4! dumbed down... absolutely killed Theory Crafting.

Is this some misguided attempt at "Balance"? Balance doesn't mean everything being "Equal" it means be able to play certain roles effectively? Who is in charge of this game at this point, they have no idea what they are doing.

bmnoble

I like silks of the sun, especially after all the various DK skills that did magic damage now do fire damage, one of the few changes I like about update 35.

Are there better sets for end game PVE and PVP yes plenty of them but so what, just because you don't like those sets doesn't mean no one uses them at all.

Some of us just like to collect those sets to build fun set ups to screw around with in overland and normal dungeons instead of chasing the highest possible most efficient damage per second.

WiseSky

Wow

Way of Fire sounds amazing, its gonna be perfect for this char I have. Thanks to bringing it to my attention.

Redguards_Revenge

I've brough such things to their attention as well as certain racial passives for over 2 years...nothing changed..

I've found sets that don't change or proc do just as good or better than the ones that don't proc.(except for the ones they try to push in the new content of course)...it's an illusion of choice. Most sets only differ by name....they need to sit down and do a set consolidation.

Amottica

It seems one persons trash is truly another persons treasure. And OP's question is answered at the same time.

ForumBully

There are sets that no one uses, and ZoS certainly has the data to see that, but as you can see from some of these comments there are plenty of players who [snip] and they love some of these sets.

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Crom_CCCXVI

bmnoble wrote: »

I like silks of the sun, especially after all the various DK skills that did magic damage now do fire damage, one of the few changes I like about update 35.

Are there better sets for end game PVE and PVP yes plenty of them but so what, just because you don't like those sets doesn't mean no one uses them at all.

Some of us just like to collect those sets to build fun set ups to screw around with in overland and normal dungeons instead of chasing the highest possible most efficient damage per second.

Point is...

YOU COULD WEAR SILKS OF THE SUN or JULIANOS or NEW MOON and I bet you won't even be able to tell what set you are wearing unless you stop and look.

It was never like that.... you won't notice a difference in any of them

zaria

WiseSky wrote: »

Wow

Way of Fire sounds amazing, its gonna be perfect for this char I have. Thanks to bringing it to my attention.

Some people just want to see the world burn

phaneub17_ESO

Got to have some consistency when creating new content and not constantly changing the old content. It would be very time consuming on their part having to update older sets when a new one comes out. You never know who is using what and those who are may want to keep it the same for their build. How would you like it if something you have on now, golded out, got changed every 3 months with completely different stats, and a completely different 5pc bonus?

Vevvev

Silks of the Sun isn't that bad, especially on DKs which are 100% fire damage now.

BSW is probably the better choice even though it has a downtime and is not up immediately going into a fight because it also boosts healing and non-flame damage.

Still though, it has it's uses as a DPS set that's always up.

Jaraal

Could you imagine the uproar if ZOS one day announced that they would be deleting 100 little used sets that people had spent millions of hours farming and billions or trillions of gold improving? Yeah, that’s not going to happen. And every three months until the game shuts down there will be a minimum of eight new sets they will have to balance.

It’s gong to get a lot uglier before it gets better.

dsalter

tbh i wouldnt mind specific element types, weapon classes and any other specific ability sets like werewolf or vampire boosting sets getting more oomph for their specialization because being specially specced when you can get something almost as good for all around

maxjapank

One of my favorite sets for werewolf became useless after update 35 after they made Empower only affect heavy attacks against monsters.

Grisly Gourmet - (2 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
(3 items) Adds 129 Weapon and Spell Damage
(4 items) Adds 1487 Offensive Penetration
(5 items) Adds 526 Maximum Stamina, Dealing Light Attack damage grants you a stack of Baker's Delight for 5 seconds. When you gain 3 stacks, you create a Sweetroll next to your target for 5 seconds. If you or an ally touches the Sweetroll, both you and your ally gain one of the following effects: -Restore 1593 Health, Magicka and Stamina -Gain Empower for 10 seconds -Gain Major Force for 10 seconds This effect can occur once every 2 seconds.

So what the heck? I have to keep light attacking to get stacks...hoping to get Empower for 10 secs. Then I heavy attack for 10 secs to take advantage of Empower. Meanwhile since I'm heavy attacking, I am no longer generating stacks of Baker's Delight because those only generate from light attacks.

I understand this isn't the greatest set out there. But it was cool and fun. And it worked very well with a werewolf. But now?

Gruumsh1

Clogged loot tables = "content participation"

You need those Pillar of Nirn Daggers? Oh you might need to run the dungeon 66 times to get a confirmed drop of the exact piece you need....

It gives everyone "content" because you have to participate to get what you want.

Snamyap

Vevvev wrote: »

Silks of the Sun isn't that bad, especially on DKs which are 100% fire damage now.

War Maiden set has 600 to magic damage which magblades do almost 100%. And especially now with Oakensoul a melee character can use the Sword Dancer/Singer sets, which give 600 to 2H or DW skill, quite effectively.
Some sets that boosts one type of damage seem to be forgotten.

EF321

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Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »

Way of Fire for example.. 1000 dmg every 2 seconds!. omg in PvP if like 50 people hit someone with that at the same time, they might have to heal or something.

Please, I am not even on damage character:

EnerG

Just because there's sets that's aren't exactly your cuppa doesn't mean they're useless. Every set, and I do mean every, has its uses, it's perks, and it's fans.

Kalik_Gold

Make nonmeta builds and you can keep a character in it for years. Trust me, many safe options and you won’t be having to re-gold gear every 3-4 months.

You probably be 5-10% less peak damage overall or less effective healer or tanking and guess what, no one will notice the marginal percentage.

Alcast

Majority of the sets have only one purpose and that is to collect them all. It is basically their version of Pokemon in this game. That is why they keep adding more and more even though most of them are not much used.

tonyblack

Reason 1: zos need to sell dlcs and what better way to do it than to include overpowered sets, with subsequent nerfs or/and introduction even more powerful sets later on.
Reason 2: if all sets are useful there are less room for future sets so some of them bound to be a “filler”.
Reason 3: some pvp players can’t accept the fact that good build isn’t about just skill, but also gear among other variables. So once they die to something they blame it all on sets and do it as loud as possible. Caluurion, crimson, savage werewolf, valkin scoria, dark convergence are just examples of once interesting sets nerfed [snip]

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the1andonlyskwex

Snamyap wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

Silks of the Sun isn't that bad, especially on DKs which are 100% fire damage now.

War Maiden set has 600 to magic damage which magblades do almost 100%. And especially now with Oakensoul a melee character can use the Sword Dancer/Singer sets, which give 600 to 2H or DW skill, quite effectively.
Some sets that boosts one type of damage seem to be forgotten.

That difference isn't accidental. War Maiden has a higher value because it doesn't buff light attacks from any DPS weapons. Swamp Raider is the same way. Sword Dancer and Sword Singer are in a slightly different situation because they only buff a single skill line. Basically, the fewer things buffed by a set, the bigger the bonus.

Snamyap

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Snamyap wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

Silks of the Sun isn't that bad, especially on DKs which are 100% fire damage now.

War Maiden set has 600 to magic damage which magblades do almost 100%. And especially now with Oakensoul a melee character can use the Sword Dancer/Singer sets, which give 600 to 2H or DW skill, quite effectively.
Some sets that boosts one type of damage seem to be forgotten.

That difference isn't accidental. War Maiden has a higher value because it doesn't buff light attacks from any DPS weapons. Swamp Raider is the same way. Sword Dancer and Sword Singer are in a slightly different situation because they only buff a single skill line. Basically, the fewer things buffed by a set, the bigger the bonus.

I hadn't considered that, an insightful for you!

Luke_Flamesword

I think that ZOS should rework gear power. Most differences between players in power are from build efficiency and that's not good when you can choose from maybe 20 sets for optimal dps damage if you want to do harder content, when there are dozens of sets.

For example now we have Pillar of Nirn as proc damage meta set. We should have at least 20-30 similar sets with almost same power but different effects (direct damage, dots, aoes) and conditions to proc. There should be plenty of poison, fire, shock, ice, bleed, etc sets which are equally good in power. Then you have fun and different flavour to builds.

Of course I can choose less meta set and it will be fine for most content, but from time to time, I will PUG some harder vet content with maybe less experienced team and someone will be angry that I lower dps with my non-meta set.

There should be some standarization for sets with some tiers (overland and crafted as begginner sets, and dungeon-trial better as advanced sets) and all sets from same tier should have almost same potential.

Of course there are always will be meta for people who counts every point of damage, but there should be just less important differences between sets. If something is trash for most people, than should be buffed. If something is op, should be nerfed.

Problem is that ZOS see that trash sets are used too. They are used not because they are good enough, but because there are plenty of casual players who just don't give any f's what they wear in terms of optimal build (they don't know what's optimal and don't care, because they don't play vet content). It may give false information that set is good enough to use, when only reason to use it, are nice animations ("oh, I love crows! I must used it!")

rauyran

Luke_Flamesword wrote: »

I think that ZOS should rework gear power. Most differences between players in power are from build efficiency and that's not good when you can choose from maybe 20 sets for optimal dps damage if you want to do harder content, when there are dozens of sets.

For example now we have Pillar of Nirn as proc damage meta set. We should have at least 20-30 similar sets with almost same power but different effects (direct damage, dots, aoes) and conditions to proc. There should be plenty of poison, fire, shock, ice, bleed, etc sets which are equally good in power. Then you have fun and different flavour to builds.

Of course I can choose less meta set and it will be fine for most content, but from time to time, I will PUG some harder vet content with maybe less experienced team and someone will be angry that I lower dps with my non-meta set.

There should be some standarization for sets with some tiers (overland and crafted as begginner sets, and dungeon-trial better as advanced sets) and all sets from same tier should have almost same potential.

Came here to say exactly this. I don't even mind if they reuse similar procs and vary the damage type and the first 3 set bonuses.

For example, that Way of the Fire set. Lets have variants for shock, magic, bleed, frost with a line of max magicka where appropriate. Let us complement our passives and skills with these kind of basic sets.

alanmatillab16_ESO

If only the "Best in slot" were in the game then we would have one set of armour, one weapon, one set of skills, one class, one race and be bored at looking at clones.

agelonestar

In a game that adds new sets at every turn, there are going to be some that are ineffective, maybe even unusable. Personally I think it's time to take a new approach. There are just too many sets that are "samey", especially recently. I'd like to see sets in more categories than just "DD", "Healer" and "Tank".

• PVP Alliance War specific sets could add a boost to Alliance Points, or rank, or siege damage. Maybe a set that permit mounting even if you're in combat! Perhaps some that encourage solo play, while others might encourage group play. There are lots of potential options here.
  
• Overland sets could permit free wayshrine travel, improved sneak, buff farming capabilities. Again, lots of options.
  
• Some sets could be aimed at the RP community or just those having some fun. They could disguise you, assign a personality type or unlock an emote. I'm sure there are millions of potential options.

Options like this would encourage more multi-set ownership (and therefore farming / participation) and this approach could be used as a way to make useless sets useful again.

Ksariyu

I'll be honest, I'm actually using Way of Fire on my Flame Swordsman build. It has dismal DPS but at least it feels thematic. Ha. Haha. Ha. . .

To be honest, I do feel like the game has way too many sets for how few of them are actually usable in higher level content. I understand the appeal of making an off-meta build for fun, but it's not fun to just gimp yourself so badly or be rejected from trials groups because you're not wearing one of five meta DPS sets (even less flexibility if you're tank or healer.)

A big part of the problem is that the game's newer sets have all been focused around group utility. Individual impact means nothing in this game, it's all about stacking as many buffs and debuffs as possible for your group. Even DPS are being forced to run more and more support sets, because no proc or stat set can outperform giving 11 other players an extra 5% damage. It's boring, but it's the direction they've been pushing the game for some time.

PrimusTiberius

Because they all can't be BIS

Dr_Con

new sets be like

you gain a stack of bing bam damage every attack up to 10 stacks for 5 seconds. For each stack of bing bam damage your weapon and spell damage increases by 100 points and at 10 stacks the duration is quadrupled but cannot be triggered for 30 seconds. This damage scales off of the inverse of your base regeneration and run speed.

and here i was thinking they were trying to lessen the server load.

Ragnarok0130

agelonestar wrote: »

In a game that adds new sets at every turn, there are going to be some that are ineffective, maybe even unusable. Personally I think it's time to take a new approach. There are just too many sets that are "samey", especially recently. I'd like to see sets in more categories than just "DD", "Healer" and "Tank".

• PVP Alliance War specific sets could add a boost to Alliance Points, or rank, or siege damage. Maybe a set that permit mounting even if you're in combat! Perhaps some that encourage solo play, while others might encourage group play. There are lots of potential options here.
  
• Overland sets could permit free wayshrine travel, improved sneak, buff farming capabilities. Again, lots of options.
  
• Some sets could be aimed at the RP community or just those having some fun. They could disguise you, assign a personality type or unlock an emote. I'm sure there are millions of potential options.

Options like this would encourage more multi-set ownership (and therefore farming / participation) and this approach could be used as a way to make useless sets useful again.

There are a lot of sets that multiple roles of the trinity already use. Tanks and healers use Sax, DDs and healers use MK/PA, Tanks and healers use spaulder and pearls, and the list goes on. The set roles aren't really all that cut and dry due to the rather solid theory crafters that ESO has.

Pardon my ignorance of the RP community, but don't we already have sets for them called costumes, outfit system, and personalities? I don't know how ZoS could help RPers any more than they already do other than reducing prices or offering more flair for free.

I think your suggestion on alliance war sets is interesting and should be explored by ZoS more thoroughly, however knowing the PVP mindset any set that doesn't make it easier to kill people en masse would likely be ignored.

Your overland set ideas are interesting too, especially the harvest one. Of course we already have those buffs in the CP crafting tree but I like where you're going.

joergino

Luke_Flamesword wrote: »

There should be some standarization for sets with some tiers (overland and crafted as begginner sets, and dungeon-trial better as advanced sets) and all sets from same tier should have almost same potential.

I disagree. Crafted sets should absolutely be top tier. Leveling crafters (especiall nine trait crafters!) is such a lengthy and expensive endeavcour. Besides, I read here in the past that ages ago it was promised that crafted gear would be on par with other top gear.