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Can a Stock Exchange work in ESO?
Thormar
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Trading Guilds will be the "Corporations".
Only vetted and reputable Trading Guilds may issue stock.
For sale to guildies and non guildies.
Can this work in ESO?
Only vetted and reputable Trading Guilds may issue stock.
For sale to guildies and non guildies.
Can this work in ESO?
What if I go north? Disappear.
Would you come after me?
Would you come after me?
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deleted221205-002626✭✭✭✭✭Trading Guilds will be the "Corporations".
Only vetted and reputable Trading Guilds may issue stock.
For sale to guildies and non guildies.
Can this work in ESO?
IM not sure.. I can see it working short term maybe on loans for trader location fees but long term would break it. theres only what 7% or something going to guild from sales? If you were to sell off shares I's assume you'd want a piece of that but then comes the problem... the guild is no longer getting enough money to pay for traders! So if the shareholders were also responsible for theyre shares of the fees then it might work but that wont work because theres no garentee they even have a dime to cover it.
So.. imo wont work
*edit* It could however MAYBE work if there was some sort of system in place where if you payed your portion this week based on your share % then you collect the next weeks profits otherwise not.. This system MIGHT work and could produce some profits and drive to improve the guild sales by the shareholders via marketing and refining of members etc.. It may also open up possible abuse which would require much more thinking that I havent done yet so early in the morning =pEdited by deleted221205-002626 on September 7, 2022 3:15PM0 -
RickHolt✭✭I like anything that makes a game more player driven but the main question has to be why? What benefits would you gain from being a shareholder?5
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✭Nah, IMO this game is too fantasy oriented for the concept of an in-game stock exchange to exist. If any game were to implement something like this, it'd be GTA Online. Now that would make sense.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Pets- Roleplay Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNHVjemwxZHI2ZmQ2bTg1ZG0xOTZ3b2QwajBzNGxmaHh6OXRpN3p6YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/eBgWizk5dmZRS/giphy.gifElectric-Heal- Stress free one bar pet build .
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
- Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that primarily utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifEye of the Queen- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/44/1c/fd441c8242af6ec35ada94496feb0901.gifEye of the King- My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOTAzdjV1eTgwbDFmM3lrZmxuMXRqdDR3Y3h1ZDRpajR0M3VjZzQ3NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zXmbOaTpbY6mA/giphy.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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✭✭✭And why would we need that, in the first place?
"Sweet Mother, sweet Mother, send your child unto me, for the sins of the unworthy must be baptized in blood and fear"- Sons of the Night Mother [PS5][EU] 2165 CP
- Daggerfall's Mightiest [PS5][NA] 1910 CP
- SweetTrolls [PC][EU] 1950 CP
- Bacon Rats [PC][NA] 1850 CP
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deleted221205-002626✭✭✭✭✭redlink1979 wrote: »And why would we need that, in the first place?
im assuming because the traders are getting bored with the current standard of buy everything up and relist double the price routine.. they need ACTION!! EXCITEMENT!! More ways to confuse you into feeding them all your gold! =p1 -
Holycannoli✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Can I short them and sell derivatives?Edited by Holycannoli on September 7, 2022 3:47PM3 -
FrancisCrawford✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Trading guilds are unprofitable organizations that rely heavily on donations to operate.
So what would be the point of owning stock in them?4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Doubt it could work. Players in top guilds subsidize the weekly bid because the guild share of the sale is insufficient for the most competitive trading locations. So there is no profit to support a reason to buy stocks.
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deleted221205-002626✭✭✭✭✭Doubt it could work. Players in top guilds subsidize the weekly bid because the guild share of the sale is insufficient for the most competitive trading locations. So there is no profit to support a reason to buy stocks.
Thats the word on the street when you ask them but it begs the question... WHY continue it for 8yrs so hardcore? Whats the motive? friendship? passion for the unprofitable? social recognition?
Theres likly money in it someplace0 -
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✭✭✭Guild traders as they currently exist are most like farmers markets or consignment retailers than actual corporations.
Guilds don't actually have the ability to produce much of anything and for a stock market to work you would have to shift means of production in part from individuals to guilds. Then you would have to add in tools for issuance of stock and selling and trading of it and other lending mechanisms along with the ability to enforce such mechanics.
I just see it as a mess of programming that zos doesn't have time for.3 -
ganzaeso✭✭✭✭I lose 5 million out of my own pocket every week to fully support 2 trader guild's bids and that cost is increasing lately. I also donate approximately 2 million more gold per week to 8 other trade guilds to help them out with their trader bids.
Just join a trading guild if you wish to have a stake in it and donate some gold to help with the cost of getting a trader. Don't forget to list some things for sale in the guild store even if your guild dose not have a public trader this is helpful to others in your guilds.
I really don't see the point in adding such a complicated system that could break the trading system.(Math before coffee, except after 3, is not for me)2 -
Memory_In_Motion✭✭✭✭shareholders would dictate what an item sells for if there was a stock market. Those with the most money would own stock in the guilds and *** that members of the guild can only sell their items at such and such a price. Said stock holders would then purchase said items and resell them in their guild at the price they dictate. The stranglehold on the game would be much worse than it is now.0
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aipex8_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Can you imagine, in a few years there would be like 5 mega rich elon musk players and everyone else would be in running around in rags. When you logged in to play you would just have to farm for them for 8 hours. Fun!Edited by aipex8_ESO on September 7, 2022 4:29PM1 -
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✭Just no. Do we need even more things that will just get inflated to oblivion? The game, at least PCNA, is already in a sort of the bubble economy that never pops until ZOS nerfs something to uselessness. Don't need more of that.Imperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel2 -
LikiLoki✭✭✭✭Do you understand that there is no full-fledged open economy in this game? You know that guild owners build all accounting reports using addons, because ZOS has not introduced a single guild management tool. How can you invest in something that is not able to grow and will not generate income. To create a stock exchange, you need to create hundreds and thousands of other things2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭redlink1979 wrote: »And why would we need that, in the first place?
im assuming because the traders are getting bored with the current standard of buy everything up and relist double the price routine.. they need ACTION!! EXCITEMENT!! More ways to confuse you into feeding them all your gold! =p
Or they've been reading too many of those silly NFT/"play to earn" articles from the crypto scam artists.1 -
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✭✭✭Doubt it could work. Players in top guilds subsidize the weekly bid because the guild share of the sale is insufficient for the most competitive trading locations. So there is no profit to support a reason to buy stocks.
Thats the word on the street when you ask them but it begs the question... WHY continue it for 8yrs so hardcore? Whats the motive? friendship? passion for the unprofitable? social recognition?
Theres likly money in it someplace
Because for some people, building a community is fun? Rewarding? Interesting?
While it may not be your thing, it may well be other players' fun. Fortunately, people are different.1 -
bmnoble✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭How would it even work in game? If I so choose I can largely be self sufficient in terms of materials, as for rare stuff like motifs, furniture plans, pets etc that is hit and miss some people will desperately want them others could not care less about them.
What I am trying to say is what exactly is the benefit for me investing large amounts of my gold in the games stock exchange, when I can already buy everything I want in the game?
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✭✭✭Gotta say I don't reeeeaaaaally see the point of any kind of stock exchange. It doesn't seem like a system that would work well with what ESO has, and besides, a stock market wouldn't make any sense lore-wise. Guild traders make sense because large established guilds could easily afford third-party individuals to help them buy and sell things from others, but a stock exchange...just doesn't really fit well with a fantasy theme where the main "setting" is very Medieval (in that despite very futuristic stuff like Dwemer/Clockwork tech, the Battle Spire, etc, most of Tamriel at least relies on stuff like carts and farm animals and all).Character List [RP and PvE]:Stands-Against-Death: Argonian Magplar Healer - Crafter
Krisiel: Redguard Stamsorc DPS - Literally crazy Werewolf, no like legit insane. She nuts
Kiju Veran: Khajiit Stamblade DPS - Ex-Fighters Guild Suthay who likes to punch things, nicknamed Tinykat
Niralae Elsinal: Altmer Stamsorc DPS - Young Altmer with way too much Magicka
Sarah Lacroix: Breton Magsorc DPS - Fledgling Vampire who drinks too much water
Slondor: Nord Tankblade - TESified verson of Slenderman
Marius Vastino: Imperial <insert role here> - Sarah's apathetic sire who likes to monologue
Delthor Rellenar: Dunmer Magknight DPS - Sarah's ex who's a certified psychopath
Lirawyn Calatare: Altmer Magplar Healer - Traveling performer and bard who's 101% vanilla bean
Gondryn Beldeau: Breton Tankplar - Sarah's Mages Guild mentor and certified badass old person
Gwendolyn Jenelle: Breton Magplar Healer - Friendly healer with a coffee addiction
Soliril Larethian- Altmer Magblade DPS - Blind alchemist who uses animals to see and brews plagues in his spare time
Tevril Rallenar: Dunmer Stamcro DPS - Delthor's "special" younger brother who raises small animals as friends
Celeroth Calatare: Bosmer <insert role here> - Shapeshifting Bosmer with enough sass to fill Valenwood
PC - NA - EP - CP1000+
Avid RPer. Hit me up in-game @Ras_Lei if you're interested in getting together for some arr-pee shenanigans!0 -
Redguards_Revenge✭✭✭✭Why would anyone want that?
If I have to ever design how resources are spent in a world, I sure won't use any system in this current real world to model after because they are all broken, outdated, and wasteful.
People love complaining about broken games but it's because they have to follow the broken real world that they compromise their robustness and quality.2 -
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✭✭✭✭I'd like to know when stocks (not the soup, merchandise or the ones you put people in) were introduced to Tamriel. Sounds like something Clavicus Vile would do.1 -
FelisCatus✭✭✭✭✭No thanks. Trading guilds are already too greedy as it is. Wanting donations that they hold you at gunpoint over or threatened to kick you out. On top of the % based cut of your profits from your sales.0
