Maybe now the dev's can appologize

doabhi

Dressing room doesn't let you switch in combat though? It's not there to make you fight better, it's there for you to save your gear setups and skill slots so you can change your stuff to better work with your team players using proc sets that play off each other. some sets like Reliquen for example give a bonus in group content, but you might prefer something else in overland solo content. Tanks might use Yolna' in trials, but maybe want some burning spellweave or something else when they run off to do story mode stuff. Which again, you can't use during combat, the UI just doesn't allow you or the addon to change gear when in combat.

Four_Fingers

Artim_X wrote: »

Eternalscourge1 wrote: »

Artim_X wrote: »

My hot take... ESO on consoles was a mistake.

That's bad for you then because the future of this game is on the consoles NOT the PC...I promise you they would get rid of the PC version altogether if they could

Hmm *thinks about the furnishing limits to housing and the inability to add new skills due to an animation limit*

This also applies to a lot of old and low end PCs out there.
Some have obligations to spend money on and can't afford to buy the greatest and latest.

Jack-0

Don't gun for my addons just because you chose to play the game on a device that doesn't support them, that's on you.

I'd be very interested to see footage of their internal test team with no CP and blue gear completing vDSR etc.

Xundiin

KilianDermoth wrote: »

Klingenlied wrote: »

But I estimate the console playerbase is larger - likely even by a significant amount - then the playerbase on PC.

And on what is this estimation based?

I dont know if xbox + playstation together have more players than the pc platform but I really highly doubt that any of those platforms alone has more than the PC platform. And do you know why I come to this conclusion? There are some reasons:

1. Even if people keep saying that the PC as a gaming platform is dieing, it is still the biggest of all (non mobile) platforms. You will see many news telling that consoles are bigger than the pc, yes they are bigger in sum (xbox + playstation + nintendo + others) but not a single one of them is bigger than the pc. The market of xbox is smaller than pc, the market of playstation is smaller than the pc and the market of nintendo is smaller than pc. Even if you sum all of them up they are only 51% bigger in total. Now lets assume all 3 are equally as big then this would yield to a size of the xbox market, the playstation market and the nintendo market that is only 50% as big as the pc market, not even considering other console platforms.

Here is my source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/292751/mobile-gaming-revenue-worldwide-device/
Another interesting statistic: https://www.statista.com/chart/4527/game-developers-platform-preferences/

I think that this might be similar for ESO on consoles. So PS + XBox is "maybe" in sum just as big as the pc platform, maybe, but for sure any of them is smaller than the PC platform...

2. MMOs are the strength of the PC not just in the past because of several reasons like the early access to the internet and because complex games like MMOs are easier on the PC to handle (from dev and from player side) but also still nowadays. How many MMOs are available on the consoles? Hmm, alright... Even hose that are, like ESO, are faceing problems. Devs for example said that we cant have new classes or skill lines, because of consoles. The regions cant be bigger, because of consoles. The vanialla interface is so inconvinient, probably because of the consoles. And now console players even want to make ESO even worse, by removeing all addons? Yeah lets kill the biggest of all 3 platforms, just for some console players, not that we dont have already bad compromises because of console players...

3. Everytime I watched an ESO streamer playing on consoles, I thought: thats kind of empty, where are all the players...? Even at prime times it looked as empty as on the PC at the worst possible time (where almost everyone is sleeping). But I am not sure if this was because of the far less players on console or because consoles cant handle more and they decreased the amount of players that are seen in a zone.

Btw. I also have seen more players asking if they can switch from consoles to PC then the other way around.

Eternalscourge1 wrote: »

Artim_X wrote: »

My hot take... ESO on consoles was a mistake.

That's bad for you then because the future of this game is on the consoles NOT the PC...I promise you they would get rid of the PC version altogether if they could

Yeah and they probably cant get rid of it because its the biggest part of the playerbase. Sounds logical that an smaller platform is the future especially considering that it already hinders the improvment of the game...

If the devs think the same that it is the future of this game then it might truely be the future, but highly probably also its death...

Ghaleb wrote: »

And loose the only platform where they are not required to necessarily fork out 30%(?) of their sales to MS or Sony? I doubt that. Furthermore, current games are still published on PC. Let's call it even. I accept that consoles hold PC games back, quality-wise and you accept that PC games are still a thing.

You know that ZOS is now owned by Microsoft? So its like paying their own mother company and in doubt Microsoft could even remove the 30% fee because they already can earn the profit the game does.

Also its not even true that the PC is even, its almost twice as big as the playstation market and its almost as twice as big as the xbox market. See the top part of my post.

MEBengalsFan2001

I ran around and did open world content on my Templar still using Puncture Sweep. My sweeps do a bit less damage and with the ability now to properly light attack weave and now being able to get major courage from gear sets with the Oakensoul ring my damage went up.

I tried something similar on my Sorc and my other characters and my damage is about on average the same or slighly lower than before. Around 10% lower or about the same after making some much needed gear swapping for PVE.

For PVP, I had to completely retool my Templar skills and gear to be even good enough to kill someone well get them down to about 25% health before they went back up to full health. In fact, PVP at the moment is more about who can heal back to full health more than who is a better player. It is the most tanky meta with healing I've seen. It is quite frustating and annoying that I'm close to being done with PVP until the next campaign starts up again.

Enzym3_0

I have played ESO on console since back when it was vet rank 16 on xbox, and like many games I have played/play I always end up playing pvp as the end game, that said in order to get certain gear you have to do pve, which meant learning mechanics etc etc, this took some work to do but like any game, you end up learning how to do it through attempting encounters etc. In doing all of that it made doing random vet dungeons an absolute breeze, to the point where i wouldn't even take off my pvp gear {running 5pc swift/iron blood/monster set} during vet wgt for example} because no matter your gear, once you know how to do something, it becomes easy as pie.

Now to my point, i recently bought eso on PC about a week ago, im at about 180cp and have my 2 sets, with 1 mythic/1pc monster and joined a random guild who promptly told me to go and get 50 odd addons and install them with minion because you cant play this game without them... i found that laughable, but i decided to check it out... mind blown within minutes, these addons make the game a total joke in terms of ease, the addons available are absolutely insane, from crafting to pvp everything becomes completely trivial compared to what us console scrubs are used to, i was just talking to our usual tank on xbox about this today and just me describing several of the addons has made him want to quit xbox so when it comes to this question i keep reading about which is mostly: does pc have an unfair advantage over console... the answer is a resounding yes, pc has it made vs console, it is totally absurd to even question if pc addons have an advantage over console, i honestly feel like i am cheating having played for just a couple of days with these addons...

summary is pc has it absolutely made vs console and i reckon most pc users that havent played eso on console before would struggle hard to play without their addons... just my 2 cents for what their worth

Auldwulfe

Four_Fingers wrote: »

Artim_X wrote: »

Eternalscourge1 wrote: »

Artim_X wrote: »

My hot take... ESO on consoles was a mistake.

That's bad for you then because the future of this game is on the consoles NOT the PC...I promise you they would get rid of the PC version altogether if they could

Hmm *thinks about the furnishing limits to housing and the inability to add new skills due to an animation limit*

This also applies to a lot of old and low end PCs out there.
Some have obligations to spend money on and can't afford to buy the greatest and latest.

True, but now that the bitcoin idiocy has faded some --- I can get an upgrade video card for nearly ANY PC board at less than 100 dollars, that will let you run this game at max settings.

I am looking to upgrade my stepmother's PC - she plays this, but on low graphics due to having an older Dell Windows 8 computer that is 8 years old ..... for $91 dollars, I can upgrade her with compatible parts that will let her run in the upper 20% of the settings, AND I do not have to buy it all at once to get that improvement ... buy the ram, and next check the video card --- I could buy the video first, as she does have enough ram to do it - she plays now - and that, alone would improve her game with only a 58 dollar purchase.
If I want to pop 60 dollars more, I can also upgrade her mother board, and make it so this game is one of her "lower" requirement ones.

Not to mention that I just added a 4 TB hard drive to my system for less than $100.00 -- have 32 GB of ram, and an 8GB video card on mine, and I built it myself for a little over 400, initially, and maybe 700 total in it, right now.
I also picked up a home theater surround sound setup for it, and added that on for another $75 --- and she has the curved top level monitor -- I prefer flat screen, but my resolution is top tier.

On a side note, my PC also can handle business, internet (of course), as well as run my 3D printer, and other things I choose to attach to it.

Components can be added as I need, and I can add SS USB's whenever I want an outside attachment.

Consoles are great for entertainment.... but in the long run, you have to keep buying new ones, as opposed to just upgrade parts, and they are still limited outside of just entertainment.
Not that they don't have a place, but I won't consider one until they make them a LOT more flexible in usage......
My hope is that one day they merge the two into a single digital interface system.

Auldwulfe

zaria

doabhi wrote: »

Dressing room doesn't let you switch in combat though? It's not there to make you fight better, it's there for you to save your gear setups and skill slots so you can change your stuff to better work with your team players using proc sets that play off each other. some sets like Reliquen for example give a bonus in group content, but you might prefer something else in overland solo content. Tanks might use Yolna' in trials, but maybe want some burning spellweave or something else when they run off to do story mode stuff. Which again, you can't use during combat, the UI just doesn't allow you or the addon to change gear when in combat.

This, on an healer it let me run DD with off heal in an dungeon if group are sturdy and switch to heal on last boss in HM if needed. Now this is why its smart to pause before engaging last boss.
Have another skill setup for overland, but same gear as dungeons.

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sup wrote: »

svendf wrote: »

LordRukia wrote: »

svendf wrote: »

I play console, because I don´t wanna deal with addons. They are used in a very negative way, despite what addons users say.

Square Enix have a very nice and healthy policy towards it all. How they see addons can be looked up on the webs. Sony have the same stance. It really doesn´t matter, what heavy users of addons say, both Square Enix and Sony know, what those addons bring to the game.

Crossplay as in FFFXIV and some other mmo´s ? You can close that book and move on. Sony will never accept this.

Addons are huge in FF14 on PC and the game is crossplay with console, it is common for RPers and raiders. That kinda goes against the narrative doesn't it? SE also have no way of detecting them so as long as you don't talk about it, they are "allowed".

Being a witness to someone being pulled out of a raid and into jail getting asked "what are you doing here". You seems to give people the impression, that FFXIV is flooded with addons xD

ACT, Cactbot & Dalamund are extremely common and things like DPS meters are not even hidden anymore and are just openly talked about.

ACT are for parsing and not happening in harder content as it´s a sure wipe, Parsing is not well liked and can get you kicked.

Cactbot is a callout program, not different from a callout from a raid lead. Are these addons very common ? No they are not as people are not ready paying for the risk involved.

There will allway´s be someone here and there to test limits - after all they feel they are smart In ESO it seems they have more room

As I said. What people use on PC aint of my business, I don´t care. If people want to bring addons to PS console, they have to go through Sony, which Im fine with.

As Im not on PC, but console I do not have access to those addons, so I had to ask about those addons ingame (close friends). So nothing to write home about

svendf

Xundiin wrote: »

svendf wrote: »

LordRukia wrote: »

svendf wrote: »

I play console, because I don´t wanna deal with addons. They are used in a very negative way, despite what addons users say.

Square Enix have a very nice and healthy policy towards it all. How they see addons can be looked up on the webs. Sony have the same stance. It really doesn´t matter, what heavy users of addons say, both Square Enix and Sony know, what those addons bring to the game.

Crossplay as in FFFXIV and some other mmo´s ? You can close that book and move on. Sony will never accept this.

Addons are huge in FF14 on PC and the game is crossplay with console, it is common for RPers and raiders. That kinda goes against the narrative doesn't it? SE also have no way of detecting them so as long as you don't talk about it, they are "allowed".

Being a witness to someone being pulled out of a raid and into jail getting asked "what are you doing here". You seems to give people the impression, that FFXIV is flooded with addons xD

Well considering that Streamers are literally using addons while streaming and even having ACT up. Also the devs basically saying they don't care as long as you don't harass people with it.... yeah.

Could be so nice to point me to one of those streamers, using those addons openly ? After all it´s open and on stream.

Tenthirty2

ok WHAT.
The part about addons sounds a lot like "Someone else has something nice that I do not. I want it burned down bcuz I can't have it to."
Maybe this was not the intention, but it sure reads that way.

I use addons that give me nice QoL adjustments and save me time so I'm sorry, but keep your damn hands off my addons please and TYVM

I don't use any addons that supposedly give you a huge advantage in trials or DPS or any of that.

I have different load-outs, themes, costumes and looks that I use an addon to frequently switch between bcuz doing all that manually would be a huge time wasting pita.
Apparently ZoS didn't realize when they introduced outfit stations and Crown Store costumes, tattoos, skins, etc that players would want to have multiple outfits and looks and accessorize in a RPG-themed game instead of having to switch it all manually each time.

That said I do feel bad for console players who (still) don't have the ability to incorporate addons into the game, I really wish they did. It's the main reason with many titles I still chose PC, the ability to have mods and addons that extend the playable life of a game for me by years.

But like the dressing room type addons you mention, I do use one and it gives me ZERO combat advantages bcuz it's subject to the same code that a player switching things manually is: If in a combat state, you cannot swap gear, period.
Sure, if I'm not in combat I can switch gear between boss fights, etc with a button press or two.
The addon saves me time, nothing more. Disabling that ability for PC players would solve nothing.

TaSheen

I have a lot of QOL addons. I don't use any combat addons at all, because I really despise combat (in all games, but especially in THIS one).

Don't mess with my addons.

barney2525

svendf wrote: »

I play console, because I don´t wanna deal with addons. They are used in a very negative way, despite what addons users say.

Square Enix have a very nice and healthy policy towards it all. How they see addons can be looked up on the webs. Sony have the same stance. It really doesn´t matter, what heavy users of addons say, both Square Enix and Sony know, what those addons bring to the game.

Crossplay as in FFFXIV and some other mmo´s ? You can close that book and move on. Sony will never accept this.

What would you define is a 'Negative Way' ??

I don't use ALL addons, but I use those that are useful to me. The addons I use improve my gameplay and make the game more fun for me. That's all positive in my book. And they don't cost anything. It's not like they are P2W.

So I really dont understand your description.

Freelancer_ESO

Artim_X wrote: »

Eternalscourge1 wrote: »

Artim_X wrote: »

My hot take... ESO on consoles was a mistake.

That's bad for you then because the future of this game is on the consoles NOT the PC...I promise you they would get rid of the PC version altogether if they could

Hmm *thinks about the furnishing limits to housing and the inability to add new skills due to an animation limit*

Unless they made a change in the console patch, Isobel is still using the old jabs on consoles and as far as I am aware the consoles are not imploding which suggests that the skill animations are not actually at the cap at the present.

Arunei

OP, how about not crying that since console doesn't have addons PC shouldn't either? Do you even realize how many addons are made for things that have absolutely NOTHING to do with combat? I'm going to assume no, since you're using "combat" addons that apparently give their users heaps of DPS as a reason to remove addons in general.

Gets really old, repeatedly seeing people sit and whine for addons to be removed because "they make combat too easy" or "they let people earn too much money too fast" or whatever the reason of the day is. Most addons are QoL ones that have nothing to do with combat, nothing to do with "making too much money", or any real reason at all to want them removed.

svendf wrote: »

I play console, because I don´t wanna deal with addons. They are used in a very negative way, despite what addons users say.

Square Enix have a very nice and healthy policy towards it all. How they see addons can be looked up on the webs. Sony have the same stance. It really doesn´t matter, what heavy users of addons say, both Square Enix and Sony know, what those addons bring to the game.

Crossplay as in FFFXIV and some other mmo´s ? You can close that book and move on. Sony will never accept this.

Going to ask you the same thing I asked OP; do you realize most addons don't exist for combat in the slightest? Most are ones that have literally NOTHING to do with combat, they're QoL that make it easier to find things (Skyshards, Lorebooks, Survey/Treasure Map locations) things that make Housing better (EHT, Savehouse), things that make the UI better, things that make it easier to track things like recipes, things that make Crafting easier, things that make you inventory easier to manage, things that help with Fishing...seriously, the number of combat-related addons is the lesser one compared to the sheer number of addons used for everything else in the game.

So kindly tell me, how are any of those "used negatively"? How can an addon used to find Survey locations be "very negative", how can an addon that makes it possible to decorate your house easier or save layouts be "very negative"? These sweeping generalized claims that "all addons bad!" are seriously getting old and are pretty ridiculous to make. The only addons that can be used "negatively" are the (very few) people use to demand other peoples' DPS, the ones that allow actual unfair play in PvP (icr the name of the one that would warn you about incoming attacks so you could dodge them), or the ones that let you spy on other groupmates' loot drops. And again, the number of all those kinds of addons combined is a fraction of the numerous addons that exist simply to make non-combat gameplay easier and more accessible/fun.

Xundiin

svendf wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

svendf wrote: »

LordRukia wrote: »

svendf wrote: »

I play console, because I don´t wanna deal with addons. They are used in a very negative way, despite what addons users say.

Square Enix have a very nice and healthy policy towards it all. How they see addons can be looked up on the webs. Sony have the same stance. It really doesn´t matter, what heavy users of addons say, both Square Enix and Sony know, what those addons bring to the game.

Crossplay as in FFFXIV and some other mmo´s ? You can close that book and move on. Sony will never accept this.

Addons are huge in FF14 on PC and the game is crossplay with console, it is common for RPers and raiders. That kinda goes against the narrative doesn't it? SE also have no way of detecting them so as long as you don't talk about it, they are "allowed".

Being a witness to someone being pulled out of a raid and into jail getting asked "what are you doing here". You seems to give people the impression, that FFXIV is flooded with addons xD

Well considering that Streamers are literally using addons while streaming and even having ACT up. Also the devs basically saying they don't care as long as you don't harass people with it.... yeah.

Could be so nice to point me to one of those streamers, using those addons openly ? After all it´s open and on stream.

No, you strike me as untrustworthy only to report them to SE because "OMG ADDONS!!! THEY'RE ILLEGAL!!!!" As stateed originally by the lead Dev, Don't ask, Don't tell.

Jaraal

Klingenlied wrote: »

The game is on 4 platforms. One, only one of those, has addons. To be fair, Stadia doesn't count for much. But I estimate the console playerbase is larger - likely even by a significant amount - then the playerbase on PC.

If that were the case, then why are there two megaservers for PC, and only one each for PS and XBox?

ForumBully

Jaraal wrote: »

Klingenlied wrote: »

The game is on 4 platforms. One, only one of those, has addons. To be fair, Stadia doesn't count for much. But I estimate the console playerbase is larger - likely even by a significant amount - then the playerbase on PC.

If that were the case, then why are there two megaservers for PC, and only one each for PS and XBox?

I don't really have a "side" here, but does the EU server really count? It's anything but mega if the reports are halfway accurate.

Jaraal

ForumBully wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

Klingenlied wrote: »

The game is on 4 platforms. One, only one of those, has addons. To be fair, Stadia doesn't count for much. But I estimate the console playerbase is larger - likely even by a significant amount - then the playerbase on PC.

If that were the case, then why are there two megaservers for PC, and only one each for PS and XBox?

I don't really have a "side" here, but does the EU server really count? It's anything but mega if the reports are halfway accurate.

I meant to say 2 each for PS and XBox as well.

kurbbie_s

Drammanoth wrote: »

Why bother with any communication attempts anyway...

We are here just to give them our hard-earned money.

It is their game - we have little to say.

its called a live service. People like you are why media is so bad now. If there is something bad, you dont like, dont appreciate, you have the right to complain. You bought a product, expecting what was advertised and you werent given what you paid for. Voicing concerns about problems you have is what makes products better.

kurbbie_s

Artim_X wrote: »

My hot take... ESO on consoles was a mistake.

console pvp eso was and still is better. Addons do all the work for you. PC players think theyre good. But dont understand that the "addons" are playing the game for them.

Four_Fingers

Jaraal wrote: »

Klingenlied wrote: »

The game is on 4 platforms. One, only one of those, has addons. To be fair, Stadia doesn't count for much. But I estimate the console playerbase is larger - likely even by a significant amount - then the playerbase on PC.

If that were the case, then why are there two megaservers for PC, and only one each for PS and XBox?

Weird, I have account on EU PS Mega server and the NA PS Mega server.
That's also two for PS.

Jaraal

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/473150/which-platform-do-you-play-eso-on/p1

kurbbie_s

KilianDermoth wrote: »

Removeing Addons on PC means killing the game! I think I am not the only one who would immediately deinstall the game. And seriously I always wonder how console players even can remotely enjoy the vanilla game. So a really bad idea.

But to the other part of your topic: I seriously doubt that the devs will appologize for anything at least as long as there are still enough people buying gamble boxes, cosmetics and paying for ESO+. And even then I would doubt that it would be a honest appologize...

you need the addons that tell you when to press what button because you cant look down at your bar that has built in cooldown timers? you cant remember to not stand in red?? this is why we say the skill level of eso players is extremely low. You have no faith in yourself if you dont have addons so youd quit. Thats terrible man.

Four_Fingers

Jaraal wrote: »

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/473150/which-platform-do-you-play-eso-on/p1

Well it is true that not as many console users are on this forum as compared to PC users.

TaSheen

kurbbie_s wrote: »

KilianDermoth wrote: »

Removeing Addons on PC means killing the game! I think I am not the only one who would immediately deinstall the game. And seriously I always wonder how console players even can remotely enjoy the vanilla game. So a really bad idea.

But to the other part of your topic: I seriously doubt that the devs will appologize for anything at least as long as there are still enough people buying gamble boxes, cosmetics and paying for ESO+. And even then I would doubt that it would be a honest appologize...

you need the addons that tell you when to press what button because you cant look down at your bar that has built in cooldown timers? you cant remember to not stand in red?? this is why we say the skill level of eso players is extremely low. You have no faith in yourself if you dont have addons so youd quit. Thats terrible man.

*rolls eyes* I don't use combat addons at all. QOL addons though.... yeah. The vanilla UI on PC sucks. One of the first things I did when I started researching this game was look over the QOL addons. Family members were in the alpha and the betas, and what they had to say about the UI meant that I knew if I was going to play I'd have to have addons.

No addons, no money for 3 accounts paid annually, and I'd be gone permanently.

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