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Warden overpowered
Drauz
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So instead of nerfing warden zos buffed them to oblivion. not good, too much wardens in game now
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MentalxHammer✭✭✭✭✭
✭Wardens have been a bottom tier class for almost a year until this patch, finally they are in a good spot so people are bringing their wardens out because they haven’t been usable as a damage build for so long. They are definitely not overpowered, people just like to diversify their playstyle to keep the game fresh, that’s why there’s so many in PvP right now.18 -
xxslam48xxb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Nah they aren't overpower I think they are just too good at surviving. Number 1 tower enjoyer/lover/censored word class right now, but not the kind that will wipe a whole group.Edited by xxslam48xxb14_ESO on August 26, 2022 8:31PMI wrote a poem that I titled, "The ganker's delight."
As you lay upon the ground, cry not little pawn.
The pain will pass as quickly as my blade did take you,
but my delight will last and you will respawn.
My heart simply cannot contain my joy, when I ply my trade.
The fault lies with you, your skill was lacking.
Now your salt is mine forever, can't you hear the laughing?
Once you were so proud and now you are reduced to this.
A miserable, loud deuced fool.
With every tear you drip, with every excuse you let slip.
All of your insecurities and worries bring a smile to my lip.
From your despair I have ripped endless glories,
but our affair is over now. Be afraid for I will return for more.
I have received many titles, to my allies I am The sniper Emperor and Grand champion hero of the Pact. However these titles mean little to me, it is the ones given to me by my victims that I prefer. To them I am "Xv1er", "trash", "no balls", "zerger", "noob", "cringe", "no skill", "camper", "100% new", "the reason this game is dying", "pathetic", "a sack of piece of [snip]", "mediocre", "absolute inbred", "beyond a virgin", "ganky dork", "fat smelly 40yr old virgin", "little girl", "daddy", "exploiting loser", and every [snipped] word known to man.4 -
Xandreia_✭✭✭✭✭
✭warden is in a great spot right now, they have been really bad for so long, id rather fight a bunch of wardens than a bunch of dk's and nbs lol1 -
taugrim✭✭✭✭✭It will be nice to see people shelve their dks for awhile
Won't happen so long as DK is a top-2 class.
The self-healing is so imbalanced.PC | NA | CP 2.3k- Active: Dark Elf Stamina Templar | Dark Elf Stamina Arcanist | Dark Elf Stamina Necromancer
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Firstmep✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It will be nice to see people shelve their dks for awhile
Dk is fine, in fact more than.
The 2 main dots are a bit weaker, but for example burning talons got a cost reduction , and the longer dots also mean better sustain for dks.
And their self healing is still great.
And ofc seething fury giving basically perma 300 wpd is nothing to scoff at.2 -
taugrim✭✭✭✭✭It will be nice to see people shelve their dks for awhile
Dk is fine, in fact more than.
The 2 main dots are a bit weaker, but for example burning talons got a cost reduction , and the longer dots also mean better sustain for dks.
And their self healing is still great.
And ofc seething fury giving basically perma 300 wpd is nothing to scoff at.
DK is still the strongest class in PVP.
Superb self-healing.
Superb range on all melee abilities.
Excellent CC.
Excellent debuffs.
Excellent damage mechanics.
Edited by taugrim on August 27, 2022 6:27PMPC | NA | CP 2.3k- Active: Dark Elf Stamina Templar | Dark Elf Stamina Arcanist | Dark Elf Stamina Necromancer
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Artim_X✭✭✭✭✭
✭*checks year* wait it's not 2017!? In all seriousness peeps should stop asking for nerfs and ask for buffs to classes that feel more lacking. In an ideal world, every class should feel fun to play.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Pets- Roleplay Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNHVjemwxZHI2ZmQ2bTg1ZG0xOTZ3b2QwajBzNGxmaHh6OXRpN3p6YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/eBgWizk5dmZRS/giphy.gifElectric-Heal- Stress free one bar pet build .
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
- Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that primarily utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifEye of the Queen- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/44/1c/fd441c8242af6ec35ada94496feb0901.gifEye of the King- My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOTAzdjV1eTgwbDFmM3lrZmxuMXRqdDR3Y3h1ZDRpajR0M3VjZzQ3NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zXmbOaTpbY6mA/giphy.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo✭✭✭✭✭
✭Here on PC EU and during the weekend I came across mostly DK's and Wardens and Necros.
Some of the Wardens we are fighting (many of us) is like hitting a target dummy, it really is.
Why did our producer make it possible for them to become so unkillable? Why can't they just be on par with the other classes in terms of buffing/shielding/healing/mitigation ?
On the internet you come across articles and information pages which reference the Warden class. It generally comes across that it's a beginner friendly class and is rather easy to use. I think it might be too easy, hey.
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FrancisCrawford✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I'm not a PvPer, so this is a sincere question: What's so great about Warden self-healing? Vines? Lotus? Trees? The Animal Companions passive? (Do people really use Birds in PvP?) The Minor Toughness buff?1 -
Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo✭✭✭✭✭
✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »I'm not a PvPer, so this is a sincere question: What's so great about Warden self-healing? Vines? Lotus? Trees? The Animal Companions passive? (Do people really use Birds in PvP?) The Minor Toughness buff?
They mostly just run unkillable healer/tanks and have a duo (dk or necro).
No birds spotted
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taugrim✭✭✭✭✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »I'm not a PvPer, so this is a sincere question: What's so great about Warden self-healing? Vines? Lotus? Trees? The Animal Companions passive? (Do people really use Birds in PvP?) The Minor Toughness buff?
Nothing meaningful changed in Warden's healing kit. Arctic Blast was re-worked.
Point specifically to which skills or ults are "broken selfhealing"? Damage is down across the board, everyone has access to Resolving Vigor with Minor Resolve.
The Wardens that build tanky don't have meaningful damage.
DK still has the best scaling selfhealing hands down with Coagulating Blood, while still retaining the ability to pressure meaningfully.
What I would say is that Wardens are no longer a free kill for most players. The addition of a class stun, which 4 of the 6 classes had, has put Warden on much better footing. Which is a good thing.Edited by taugrim on August 29, 2022 4:02PMPC | NA | CP 2.3k- Active: Dark Elf Stamina Templar | Dark Elf Stamina Arcanist | Dark Elf Stamina Necromancer
- Inactive: Nord Stamina Warden | Orc Stamina Sorceror | Nord Stamina Nightblade | Nord Stamina Dragonknight
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Firstmep✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »I'm not a PvPer, so this is a sincere question: What's so great about Warden self-healing? Vines? Lotus? Trees? The Animal Companions passive? (Do people really use Birds in PvP?) The Minor Toughness buff?
Nothing meaningful changed in Warden's healing kit. Arctic Blast was re-worked.
Point specifically to which skills or ults are "broken selfhealing"? Damage is down across the board, everyone has access to Resolving Vigor with Minor Resolve.
The Wardens that build tanky don't have meaningful damage.
DK still has the best scaling selfhealing hands down with Coagulating Blood, while still retaining the ability to pressure meaningfully.
What I would say is that Wardens are no longer a free kill for most players. The addition of a class stun, which 4 of the 6 classes had, has put Warden on much better footing. Which is a good thing.
Both arctic blast and especially polar winds healing is extremlhigh.
Polar winds is easy to get to 20k plus tooltip.
I dont get that only templar even with like 8k spd , at which point I'd be just a glass cannon with 0 sustain.
Defensively wardens are back to before arctic got its rightful nerf, but its compounded by the low dmg meta we have atm.6 -
Cast_El✭✭✭✭MentalxHammer wrote: »Wardens have been a bottom tier class for almost a year until this patch, finally they are in a good spot so people are bringing their wardens out because they haven’t been usable as a damage build for so long. They are definitely not overpowered, people just like to diversify their playstyle to keep the game fresh, that’s why there’s so many in PvP right now.
No.
Come to IC or cyro and you Will see.
They got their resistance up, healing up, warden group are unkillable with polar wind. And they can almost one shot you with deep fissure+ dawnbreaker. Deep fissure apply minor AND major breach.
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taugrim✭✭✭✭✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »I'm not a PvPer, so this is a sincere question: What's so great about Warden self-healing? Vines? Lotus? Trees? The Animal Companions passive? (Do people really use Birds in PvP?) The Minor Toughness buff?
Nothing meaningful changed in Warden's healing kit. Arctic Blast was re-worked.
Point specifically to which skills or ults are "broken selfhealing"? Damage is down across the board, everyone has access to Resolving Vigor with Minor Resolve.
The Wardens that build tanky don't have meaningful damage.
DK still has the best scaling selfhealing hands down with Coagulating Blood, while still retaining the ability to pressure meaningfully.
What I would say is that Wardens are no longer a free kill for most players. The addition of a class stun, which 4 of the 6 classes had, has put Warden on much better footing. Which is a good thing.
Both arctic blast and especially polar winds healing is extremlhigh.
Polar Wind scales off Max Health. If you want to hit like a noodle, sure, stack Max Health.
https://eso-skillbook.com/skill/polar-wind
This isn't the old meta of fixed values on proc sets, in which people stacked Max Health and still dealt meaningful damage.PC | NA | CP 2.3k- Active: Dark Elf Stamina Templar | Dark Elf Stamina Arcanist | Dark Elf Stamina Necromancer
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ESO_Nightingale✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Class finally gets an instant stun and a reasonable burst heal and people are right back to complaining even though the class has been awful for years. The problem you're actually facing is that damage is really low right now. But yeah let's go back to asking for classes to have necessary pvp tools removed from their kit again.
I agree that arctic shouldn't do everything like it currently does and instead, should have it's burst healing power given to a green balance burst heal, but we actually do need tools that other classes have.Edited by ESO_Nightingale on August 30, 2022 3:49AMPvE Frost Warden Main and teacher for ESO-U. Frost Warden PvE Build Article: https://eso-u.com/articles/nightingales_warden_dps_guide__frost_knight. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX5 -
merpins✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭They nerfed warden sans like 1 skill, and the nerfs outweigh the buffs even in PVP. In PVE, they're strong because everyone else got nerfed more. That's about it.1 -
xxslam48xxb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
Thats the problem with every class. Every single class has access to an instant full health heal. Not going to rehash and explain that problem again, but its just so much worse this patch. Everyone's damage is lower so the window you have to press that full hp heal before you get bursted down is that much wider. How do you even counter that? At least you can kill the sorc's twilight, but every other class, idk.I wrote a poem that I titled, "The ganker's delight."
As you lay upon the ground, cry not little pawn.
The pain will pass as quickly as my blade did take you,
but my delight will last and you will respawn.
My heart simply cannot contain my joy, when I ply my trade.
The fault lies with you, your skill was lacking.
Now your salt is mine forever, can't you hear the laughing?
Once you were so proud and now you are reduced to this.
A miserable, loud deuced fool.
With every tear you drip, with every excuse you let slip.
All of your insecurities and worries bring a smile to my lip.
From your despair I have ripped endless glories,
but our affair is over now. Be afraid for I will return for more.
I have received many titles, to my allies I am The sniper Emperor and Grand champion hero of the Pact. However these titles mean little to me, it is the ones given to me by my victims that I prefer. To them I am "Xv1er", "trash", "no balls", "zerger", "noob", "cringe", "no skill", "camper", "100% new", "the reason this game is dying", "pathetic", "a sack of piece of [snip]", "mediocre", "absolute inbred", "beyond a virgin", "ganky dork", "fat smelly 40yr old virgin", "little girl", "daddy", "exploiting loser", and every [snipped] word known to man.4 -
Drauz✭✭✭I think the big problem now is warden or any other class together with mara's balm.
After that is nerfed lets see.1 -
Unified_Gaming✭✭✭✭I think the big problem now is warden or any other class together with mara's balm.
After that is nerfed lets see.
100%. The set is nuts.
Look at this
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YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MentalxHammer wrote: »Wardens have been a bottom tier class for almost a year until this patch, finally they are in a good spot so people are bringing their wardens out because they haven’t been usable as a damage build for so long. They are definitely not overpowered, people just like to diversify their playstyle to keep the game fresh, that’s why there’s so many in PvP right now.
No.
Come to IC or cyro and you Will see.
They got their resistance up, healing up, warden group are unkillable with polar wind. And they can almost one shot you with deep fissure+ dawnbreaker. Deep fissure apply minor AND major breach.
Good thing for pve tanking though
You know that the Major + Minor Breach only kick in AFTER the Fissure damage has hit, right? So the extra Pen only applies to the DB. Every PvP player already has a source of Major Breach so the only thing that's somewhat special is the Minor Breach.
And the tooltip on both morphs got sliced by ~25% so the actual skill is hitting way less hard than it did before.0 -
duckdown✭✭✭Warden = dk for survavibility really hard to kill
Warden < dk for damage pressure. Dk still top tier0 -
Urzigurumash✭✭✭✭✭
✭Warden = dk for survavibility really hard to kill
Warden < dk for damage pressure. Dk still top tier
Warden > DK for mobility, which should theoretically allow the Warden to build a bit squishier than the DK to better even out the damage potential. Theoretically.
Somewhat gets to the discussion about whether investment into Max Resource provides sufficient returns right now to be balanced against investment into Max HP.
To me it's interesting to remember here that DK's Minor Brutality and Warden's Minor Toughness have a stronger effect on the final sum in the absence of other percentile buffs - i.e., DK's Minor Brutality has a stronger effect in Heavy Armor than in Medium, and Warden's Minor Toughness has a stronger effect in Medium Armor than in Heavy. It's one way to look at things when you think about building for maximum efficiency in a balanced way rather than maximum potential in particular stats.
Edited by Urzigurumash on August 30, 2022 10:07PMXbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast2 -
Urzigurumash✭✭✭✭✭
✭But those are two old passives, which, to be concise, gets to an obvious point for discussion about whether Warden and DK have appropriately balanced damage potential in PvP right now:
How do the recent revisions over the last year or so to Seething Fury and World in Ruin compare in mathematical efficiency to the recent change to Advanced Species? Are Glacial Presence and Piercing Cold pulling their weight here?
How much efficiency is gained from the change to Advanced Species by a Bosmer in 5 Medium versus an Orc in 5 Heavy, etc., and how do these sort of things relate to what's best in the current meta?Xbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast0 -
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✭Reviving this topic after us console players have had a week or two to play u35.
So I'm a longtime stamdk main who decided to play warden this patch. I'm still using my first try at the warden build. I've been notified on these forums that the build isn't perfect, but thanks to the warden buffs I'm just having too much fun to make any changes yet.
I do think warden is overpowered but not in an extreme or worrisome way. Their survivability is slightly overtuned but it's hard to tell if its a warden problem or just a low damage problem. The minor resolve on vigor is one contributing factor, but of course you'd expect that to buff every PvP spec out there.
Their burst damage is obviously great... But wasn't it always? And doesn't every class have access to a delayed burst skill, dawnbreaker, execute combo type thing that works similarly? What lacks on warden... Assuming your bars are making use of a decent amount of utility and heal abilities... Is pressure. Like its lacking kinda severely against tougher opponents. Which is why its not too too strong. Mash all the potatoes you want, but if you want to routinely 1v1 tough people and win you'll have to give up some of the Xing power. And vice verse.
I fought some dks recently on my warden. Against players in the same relative skill bracket as me. I won. But it wasn't easy. They did plenty of damage and took plenty as well. I think its a reasonably fair match-up and I'd think buffing sorcs would be way more important than tinkering with either of these.
If warden needs a nerf, and it might, it should be done in a subtle way. I think 4 seconds of snare removal on falcons swiftness is probably too much. Make it 2 so its more comparable to race against time. Or make it cost more... Its too easy to spam it now.0 -
CompM4s✭✭✭✭✭I would be careful categorizing Warden as overpowered. I would hate to see them nerfed to the ground again. I don't main a warden at all, but I enjoy fighting against Wardens, now that they are stronger.3 -
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Agreed and glad that a non-warden said it first. Very good time to start/continue playing warden. They're in a terrific PvP state.1 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Why don’t we try buffing some other classes to match?
PS: I’m not talking about nightblade, FFS don’t make them any worse than they are.Edited by Minalan on September 18, 2022 5:43PM2
