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Warden overpowered

Drauz
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So instead of nerfing warden zos buffed them to oblivion. not good, too much wardens in game now
  • MentalxHammer
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    Wardens have been a bottom tier class for almost a year until this patch, finally they are in a good spot so people are bringing their wardens out because they haven’t been usable as a damage build for so long. They are definitely not overpowered, people just like to diversify their playstyle to keep the game fresh, that’s why there’s so many in PvP right now.
  • xxslam48xxb14_ESO
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    Nah they aren't overpower I think they are just too good at surviving. Number 1 tower enjoyer/lover/censored word class right now, but not the kind that will wipe a whole group.
    Edited by xxslam48xxb14_ESO on August 26, 2022 8:31PM
    I wrote a poem that I titled, "The ganker's delight."

    As you lay upon the ground, cry not little pawn.
    The pain will pass as quickly as my blade did take you,
    but my delight will last and you will respawn.
    My heart simply cannot contain my joy, when I ply my trade.

    The fault lies with you, your skill was lacking.
    Now your salt is mine forever, can't you hear the laughing?
    Once you were so proud and now you are reduced to this.
    A miserable, loud deuced fool.

    With every tear you drip, with every excuse you let slip.
    All of your insecurities and worries bring a smile to my lip.
    From your despair I have ripped endless glories,
    but our affair is over now. Be afraid for I will return for more.

    I have received many titles, to my allies I am The sniper Emperor and Grand champion hero of the Pact. However these titles mean little to me, it is the ones given to me by my victims that I prefer. To them I am "Xv1er", "trash", "no balls", "zerger", "noob", "cringe", "no skill", "camper", "100% new", "the reason this game is dying", "pathetic", "a sack of piece of [snip]", "mediocre", "absolute inbred", "beyond a virgin", "ganky dork", "fat smelly 40yr old virgin", "little girl", "daddy", "exploiting loser", and every [snipped] word known to man.
  • CompM4s
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    It will be nice to see people shelve their dks for awhile
  • Xandreia_
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    warden is in a great spot right now, they have been really bad for so long, id rather fight a bunch of wardens than a bunch of dk's and nbs lol
  • taugrim
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    CompM4s wrote: »
    It will be nice to see people shelve their dks for awhile

    Won't happen so long as DK is a top-2 class.

    The self-healing is so imbalanced.
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  • OnGodiDoDis
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    Drauz wrote: »
    So instead of nerfing warden zos buffed them to oblivion. not good, too much wardens in game now

    Are you going to provide any context? I hope this is a sarcastic post.
  • Firstmep
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    CompM4s wrote: »
    It will be nice to see people shelve their dks for awhile

    Dk is fine, in fact more than.
    The 2 main dots are a bit weaker, but for example burning talons got a cost reduction , and the longer dots also mean better sustain for dks.
    And their self healing is still great.
    And ofc seething fury giving basically perma 300 wpd is nothing to scoff at.
  • taugrim
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    Firstmep wrote: »
    CompM4s wrote: »
    It will be nice to see people shelve their dks for awhile

    Dk is fine, in fact more than.
    The 2 main dots are a bit weaker, but for example burning talons got a cost reduction , and the longer dots also mean better sustain for dks.
    And their self healing is still great.
    And ofc seething fury giving basically perma 300 wpd is nothing to scoff at.

    DK is still the strongest class in PVP.

    Superb self-healing.
    Superb range on all melee abilities.
    Excellent CC.
    Excellent debuffs.
    Excellent damage mechanics.
    Edited by taugrim on August 27, 2022 6:27PM
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  • Artim_X
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    *checks year* wait it's not 2017!? In all seriousness peeps should stop asking for nerfs and ask for buffs to classes that feel more lacking. In an ideal world, every class should feel fun to play.
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    • Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on head and everything else Magicka Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Max Health Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant/Stealth-Draining Poison IX), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with Spell Damage Enchant).
    • Ability-Bar 1:Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver (Shatter Soul).
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    • High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
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  • Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo
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    Here on PC EU and during the weekend I came across mostly DK's and Wardens and Necros.
    Some of the Wardens we are fighting (many of us) is like hitting a target dummy, it really is.

    Why did our producer make it possible for them to become so unkillable? Why can't they just be on par with the other classes in terms of buffing/shielding/healing/mitigation ?

    On the internet you come across articles and information pages which reference the Warden class. It generally comes across that it's a beginner friendly class and is rather easy to use. I think it might be too easy, hey.

  • FrancisCrawford
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    I'm not a PvPer, so this is a sincere question: What's so great about Warden self-healing? Vines? Lotus? Trees? The Animal Companions passive? (Do people really use Birds in PvP?) The Minor Toughness buff?
  • Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo
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    I'm not a PvPer, so this is a sincere question: What's so great about Warden self-healing? Vines? Lotus? Trees? The Animal Companions passive? (Do people really use Birds in PvP?) The Minor Toughness buff?

    They mostly just run unkillable healer/tanks and have a duo (dk or necro).

    No birds spotted :3
  • olsborg
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    taugrim wrote: »
    CompM4s wrote: »
    It will be nice to see people shelve their dks for awhile

    Won't happen so long as DK is a top-2 class.

    The self-healing is so imbalanced.

    Thats the problem with warden now too, such broken selfhealing.


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  • taugrim
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    I'm not a PvPer, so this is a sincere question: What's so great about Warden self-healing? Vines? Lotus? Trees? The Animal Companions passive? (Do people really use Birds in PvP?) The Minor Toughness buff?

    Nothing meaningful changed in Warden's healing kit. Arctic Blast was re-worked.
    olsborg wrote: »
    taugrim wrote: »
    CompM4s wrote: »
    It will be nice to see people shelve their dks for awhile

    Won't happen so long as DK is a top-2 class.

    The self-healing is so imbalanced.

    Thats the problem with warden now too, such broken selfhealing.

    Point specifically to which skills or ults are "broken selfhealing"? Damage is down across the board, everyone has access to Resolving Vigor with Minor Resolve.

    The Wardens that build tanky don't have meaningful damage.

    DK still has the best scaling selfhealing hands down with Coagulating Blood, while still retaining the ability to pressure meaningfully.

    What I would say is that Wardens are no longer a free kill for most players. The addition of a class stun, which 4 of the 6 classes had, has put Warden on much better footing. Which is a good thing.
    Edited by taugrim on August 29, 2022 4:02PM
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  • Firstmep
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    taugrim wrote: »
    I'm not a PvPer, so this is a sincere question: What's so great about Warden self-healing? Vines? Lotus? Trees? The Animal Companions passive? (Do people really use Birds in PvP?) The Minor Toughness buff?

    Nothing meaningful changed in Warden's healing kit. Arctic Blast was re-worked.
    olsborg wrote: »
    taugrim wrote: »
    CompM4s wrote: »
    It will be nice to see people shelve their dks for awhile

    Won't happen so long as DK is a top-2 class.

    The self-healing is so imbalanced.

    Thats the problem with warden now too, such broken selfhealing.

    Point specifically to which skills or ults are "broken selfhealing"? Damage is down across the board, everyone has access to Resolving Vigor with Minor Resolve.

    The Wardens that build tanky don't have meaningful damage.

    DK still has the best scaling selfhealing hands down with Coagulating Blood, while still retaining the ability to pressure meaningfully.

    What I would say is that Wardens are no longer a free kill for most players. The addition of a class stun, which 4 of the 6 classes had, has put Warden on much better footing. Which is a good thing.

    Both arctic blast and especially polar winds healing is extremlhigh.
    Polar winds is easy to get to 20k plus tooltip.
    I dont get that only templar even with like 8k spd , at which point I'd be just a glass cannon with 0 sustain.
    Defensively wardens are back to before arctic got its rightful nerf, but its compounded by the low dmg meta we have atm.
  • Cast_El
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    Wardens have been a bottom tier class for almost a year until this patch, finally they are in a good spot so people are bringing their wardens out because they haven’t been usable as a damage build for so long. They are definitely not overpowered, people just like to diversify their playstyle to keep the game fresh, that’s why there’s so many in PvP right now.

    No.
    Come to IC or cyro and you Will see.
    They got their resistance up, healing up, warden group are unkillable with polar wind. And they can almost one shot you with deep fissure+ dawnbreaker. Deep fissure apply minor AND major breach.
    Good thing for pve tanking though
  • taugrim
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    Firstmep wrote: »
    taugrim wrote: »
    I'm not a PvPer, so this is a sincere question: What's so great about Warden self-healing? Vines? Lotus? Trees? The Animal Companions passive? (Do people really use Birds in PvP?) The Minor Toughness buff?

    Nothing meaningful changed in Warden's healing kit. Arctic Blast was re-worked.
    olsborg wrote: »
    taugrim wrote: »
    CompM4s wrote: »
    It will be nice to see people shelve their dks for awhile

    Won't happen so long as DK is a top-2 class.

    The self-healing is so imbalanced.

    Thats the problem with warden now too, such broken selfhealing.

    Point specifically to which skills or ults are "broken selfhealing"? Damage is down across the board, everyone has access to Resolving Vigor with Minor Resolve.

    The Wardens that build tanky don't have meaningful damage.

    DK still has the best scaling selfhealing hands down with Coagulating Blood, while still retaining the ability to pressure meaningfully.

    What I would say is that Wardens are no longer a free kill for most players. The addition of a class stun, which 4 of the 6 classes had, has put Warden on much better footing. Which is a good thing.

    Both arctic blast and especially polar winds healing is extremlhigh.

    Polar Wind scales off Max Health. If you want to hit like a noodle, sure, stack Max Health.

    https://eso-skillbook.com/skill/polar-wind

    This isn't the old meta of fixed values on proc sets, in which people stacked Max Health and still dealt meaningful damage.
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  • ESO_Nightingale
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    Class finally gets an instant stun and a reasonable burst heal and people are right back to complaining even though the class has been awful for years. The problem you're actually facing is that damage is really low right now. But yeah let's go back to asking for classes to have necessary pvp tools removed from their kit again.

    I agree that arctic shouldn't do everything like it currently does and instead, should have it's burst healing power given to a green balance burst heal, but we actually do need tools that other classes have.
    Edited by ESO_Nightingale on August 30, 2022 3:49AM
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  • merpins
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    They nerfed warden sans like 1 skill, and the nerfs outweigh the buffs even in PVP. In PVE, they're strong because everyone else got nerfed more. That's about it.
  • xxslam48xxb14_ESO
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    olsborg wrote: »
    taugrim wrote: »
    CompM4s wrote: »
    It will be nice to see people shelve their dks for awhile

    Won't happen so long as DK is a top-2 class.

    The self-healing is so imbalanced.

    Thats the problem with warden now too, such broken selfhealing.

    Thats the problem with every class. Every single class has access to an instant full health heal. Not going to rehash and explain that problem again, but its just so much worse this patch. Everyone's damage is lower so the window you have to press that full hp heal before you get bursted down is that much wider. How do you even counter that? At least you can kill the sorc's twilight, but every other class, idk.
    I wrote a poem that I titled, "The ganker's delight."

    As you lay upon the ground, cry not little pawn.
    The pain will pass as quickly as my blade did take you,
    but my delight will last and you will respawn.
    My heart simply cannot contain my joy, when I ply my trade.

    The fault lies with you, your skill was lacking.
    Now your salt is mine forever, can't you hear the laughing?
    Once you were so proud and now you are reduced to this.
    A miserable, loud deuced fool.

    With every tear you drip, with every excuse you let slip.
    All of your insecurities and worries bring a smile to my lip.
    From your despair I have ripped endless glories,
    but our affair is over now. Be afraid for I will return for more.

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  • Drauz
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    I think the big problem now is warden or any other class together with mara's balm.
    After that is nerfed lets see.
  • Unified_Gaming
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    Drauz wrote: »
    I think the big problem now is warden or any other class together with mara's balm.
    After that is nerfed lets see.

    100%. The set is nuts.
    Look at this

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  • YandereGirlfriend
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    Cast_El wrote: »
    Wardens have been a bottom tier class for almost a year until this patch, finally they are in a good spot so people are bringing their wardens out because they haven’t been usable as a damage build for so long. They are definitely not overpowered, people just like to diversify their playstyle to keep the game fresh, that’s why there’s so many in PvP right now.

    No.
    Come to IC or cyro and you Will see.
    They got their resistance up, healing up, warden group are unkillable with polar wind. And they can almost one shot you with deep fissure+ dawnbreaker. Deep fissure apply minor AND major breach.
    Good thing for pve tanking though

    You know that the Major + Minor Breach only kick in AFTER the Fissure damage has hit, right? So the extra Pen only applies to the DB. Every PvP player already has a source of Major Breach so the only thing that's somewhat special is the Minor Breach.

    And the tooltip on both morphs got sliced by ~25% so the actual skill is hitting way less hard than it did before.
  • duckdown
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    Warden = dk for survavibility really hard to kill

    Warden < dk for damage pressure. Dk still top tier
  • Urzigurumash
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    duckdown wrote: »
    Warden = dk for survavibility really hard to kill

    Warden < dk for damage pressure. Dk still top tier

    Warden > DK for mobility, which should theoretically allow the Warden to build a bit squishier than the DK to better even out the damage potential. Theoretically.

    Somewhat gets to the discussion about whether investment into Max Resource provides sufficient returns right now to be balanced against investment into Max HP.

    To me it's interesting to remember here that DK's Minor Brutality and Warden's Minor Toughness have a stronger effect on the final sum in the absence of other percentile buffs - i.e., DK's Minor Brutality has a stronger effect in Heavy Armor than in Medium, and Warden's Minor Toughness has a stronger effect in Medium Armor than in Heavy. It's one way to look at things when you think about building for maximum efficiency in a balanced way rather than maximum potential in particular stats.

    Edited by Urzigurumash on August 30, 2022 10:07PM
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  • Urzigurumash
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    But those are two old passives, which, to be concise, gets to an obvious point for discussion about whether Warden and DK have appropriately balanced damage potential in PvP right now:

    How do the recent revisions over the last year or so to Seething Fury and World in Ruin compare in mathematical efficiency to the recent change to Advanced Species? Are Glacial Presence and Piercing Cold pulling their weight here?

    How much efficiency is gained from the change to Advanced Species by a Bosmer in 5 Medium versus an Orc in 5 Heavy, etc., and how do these sort of things relate to what's best in the current meta?
    Xbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast
  • OBJnoob
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    Reviving this topic after us console players have had a week or two to play u35.

    So I'm a longtime stamdk main who decided to play warden this patch. I'm still using my first try at the warden build. I've been notified on these forums that the build isn't perfect, but thanks to the warden buffs I'm just having too much fun to make any changes yet.

    I do think warden is overpowered but not in an extreme or worrisome way. Their survivability is slightly overtuned but it's hard to tell if its a warden problem or just a low damage problem. The minor resolve on vigor is one contributing factor, but of course you'd expect that to buff every PvP spec out there.

    Their burst damage is obviously great... But wasn't it always? And doesn't every class have access to a delayed burst skill, dawnbreaker, execute combo type thing that works similarly? What lacks on warden... Assuming your bars are making use of a decent amount of utility and heal abilities... Is pressure. Like its lacking kinda severely against tougher opponents. Which is why its not too too strong. Mash all the potatoes you want, but if you want to routinely 1v1 tough people and win you'll have to give up some of the Xing power. And vice verse.

    I fought some dks recently on my warden. Against players in the same relative skill bracket as me. I won. But it wasn't easy. They did plenty of damage and took plenty as well. I think its a reasonably fair match-up and I'd think buffing sorcs would be way more important than tinkering with either of these.

    If warden needs a nerf, and it might, it should be done in a subtle way. I think 4 seconds of snare removal on falcons swiftness is probably too much. Make it 2 so its more comparable to race against time. Or make it cost more... Its too easy to spam it now.
  • CompM4s
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    I would be careful categorizing Warden as overpowered. I would hate to see them nerfed to the ground again. I don't main a warden at all, but I enjoy fighting against Wardens, now that they are stronger.
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    Agreed and glad that a non-warden said it first. Very good time to start/continue playing warden. They're in a terrific PvP state.
  • Minalan
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    Why don’t we try buffing some other classes to match?

    PS: I’m not talking about nightblade, FFS don’t make them any worse than they are.
    Edited by Minalan on September 18, 2022 5:43PM
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