Imperial City motif rank requirement

Arbit

So, I have my eyes on the Dragonguard Berserker motif style pages in imperial city. I'm not really a pvper, but I want to obtain these motifs. Ive given up on a few motif styles locked behind pvp before, but for this one I feel a little cheated. It is a semi pvp zone, where you can still complete many objectives and gain tel var through pve. I feel that if I go into imperial city, earn enough tel var to purchase these motifs, then I should be allowed to buy them regardless of rank. I'm lucky if I get out of imp city with 1k any day of the week. I usually get a guaranteed 200 from my daily coffer, and the rest is all bonus that I managed to escape with. If I manage to get the required tel var (which is a lot for someone like me) then I think I should be able to purchase them regardless. The rank requirement is kinda just a kick in the teeth.

Soarora

From what I recall and interpreted it as, the intent of the motif is for it to be an elite motif for PvPers as a gift to the PvP community. There's no real PvPer-only motif otherwise since you can buy all that I know of from guild traders. It was going to be placed behind vaults but that was deemed unrelated to PvP and thus was changed because again, the purpose is for it to be a PvP-only motif.

Arbit

Soarora wrote: »

From what I recall and interpreted it as, the intent of the motif is for it to be an elite motif for PvPers as a gift to the PvP community. There's no real PvPer-only motif otherwise since you can buy all that I know of from guild traders. It was going to be placed behind vaults but that was deemed unrelated to PvP and thus was changed because again, the purpose is for it to be a PvP-only motif.

There are already pvp only motifs in battlegrounds. Im currently missing one I farmed for a while, but couldn't take it anymore so gave up on it. Yes, you can only get those ones by participating in battlegrounds. The currency, tel var, is already pretty darn exclusive, and forces people into pvp regions to get it. It is a pvp exclusive motif, since you're forced to earn ridiculous amounts of it to get the motifs in question. I don't see the reason to make it sort of like (a bit of a stretch) the god slayer mount, but for pvpers. It might as well be for someone who loathes pvp. I really liked it when they made some skins that used to require trifecta's far easier to get for the common player. This was a great move in my opinion, but now they're going back to that with things like this armor motif. It is a pvp motif frankly, since it requires tel var.

Aislinna

In Cyrodiil, there daily PVE quests that can be done to earn alliance ponts and raise your rank. In each of the 5 towns there are 10 daily quests--go kill 8 NPCs, run and collect type quests, kill a mini pve boss, etc. Each quest rewards 353 alliance points towards your rank, and a coffer with a gear piece. Outside of the Mayhem event, most pvp-ers are not near the quest areas, so odds of encountering pvp are very low and unlike Imperial City, if you are killed, you do not lose your alliance points, so it's a slow and steady way to raise your rank and earn the currency. You can repair keep walls to earn alliance points too, without having to pvp. Hope this helps.

Soarora

Arbit wrote: »

There are already pvp only motifs in battlegrounds. Im currently missing one I farmed for a while, but couldn't take it anymore so gave up on it. Yes, you can only get those ones by participating in battlegrounds.

Ah, okay. I stand corrected. Never noticed those were untradable since they're style pages and I eat them immediately.

Arbit wrote: »

The currency, tel var, is already pretty darn exclusive, and forces people into pvp regions to get it. It is a pvp exclusive motif, since you're forced to earn ridiculous amounts of it to get the motifs in question. I don't see the reason to make it sort of like (a bit of a stretch) the god slayer mount, but for pvpers.

You can still farm tel var without killing a single player... so it is not totally a pvp motif if it was only tel var. It does cost a lot to an extent you might as well kill players in order to get the currency however I'd think the possibility of not doing any pvp to get the motif would cheapen it. Making it cost a lot of tel var and have a pretty high alliance rank gives the motif its elite status. I'm not really a pvper so I shouldn't speak on the behalf of the pvp community on how important the motif is to them, I just thought it to be a nice gesture from the outside and something that motivates me to pvp more.

Arbit wrote: »

It might as well be for someone who loathes pvp. I really liked it when they made some skins that used to require trifecta's far easier to get for the common player. This was a great move in my opinion, but now they're going back to that with things like this armor motif. It is a pvp motif frankly, since it requires tel var.

Speaking of motivation, this is something I can speak on. Absolutely no one is entitled to having comfortable access to things just because they want them. I've never heard of a skin requiring a trifecta but if you mean the vet trial completion skins and the dungeon challenger skins, removing those rewards hurts endgame because there's barely anything to work towards. Having rewards that seem unachievable can be a big motivator for getting people into content and keeping people in content.

Arbit

Aislinna wrote: »

In Cyrodiil, there daily PVE quests that can be done to earn alliance ponts and raise your rank. In each of the 5 towns there are 10 daily quests--go kill 8 NPCs, run and collect type quests, kill a mini pve boss, etc. Each quest rewards 353 alliance points towards your rank, and a coffer with a gear piece. Outside of the Mayhem event, most pvp-ers are not near the quest areas, so odds of encountering pvp are very low and unlike Imperial City, if you are killed, you do not lose your alliance points, so it's a slow and steady way to raise your rank and earn the currency. You can repair keep walls to earn alliance points too, without having to pvp. Hope this helps.

You do realize I'd need to spend an exorbitant amount of time doing menial tasks in cyro that give barely any rewards, and rank 20 is not small in pvp. It would take a very very long time doing it this way. You also cannot purchase the motifs with alliance points. Only Tel var. I appreciate you trying to help though, but I came to the forums about it mostly because there isn't an easy answer for a pve'r to get these motifs as of right now.

Arbit

3,952,000 is the alliance points necessary to get from 1 to 20.

Aislinna

Arbit wrote: »

Aislinna wrote: »

In Cyrodiil, there daily PVE quests that can be done to earn alliance ponts and raise your rank. In each of the 5 towns there are 10 daily quests--go kill 8 NPCs, run and collect type quests, kill a mini pve boss, etc. Each quest rewards 353 alliance points towards your rank, and a coffer with a gear piece. Outside of the Mayhem event, most pvp-ers are not near the quest areas, so odds of encountering pvp are very low and unlike Imperial City, if you are killed, you do not lose your alliance points, so it's a slow and steady way to raise your rank and earn the currency. You can repair keep walls to earn alliance points too, without having to pvp. Hope this helps.

You do realize I'd need to spend an exorbitant amount of time doing menial tasks in cyro that give barely any rewards, and rank 20 is not small in pvp. It would take a very very long time doing it this way. You also cannot purchase the motifs with alliance points. Only Tel var. I appreciate you trying to help though, but I came to the forums about it mostly because there isn't an easy answer for a pve'r to get these motifs as of right now.

Sorry, you are right. I do realize it takes a long time, but it is faster then not gaining any rank at all if you don't pvp.

Freelancer_ESO

It costs 325,000 Tel Var to get the full set.

So, at 1K Tel Var per day that would take you 325 days.

It requires 3,952,000 AP on a character to be high enough rank to buy it.

If you get 2nd place in one Battleground and 3rd place in one Battle ground each day that will give you 17250+ AP per day so you'd need around 230 days of Battleground AP Grinding to get the rank starting from nothing.

Cyrodiil would likely be a faster AP grind.

You might want to check your characters ranks for PvP to see how far off you actually are.

Arbit

Soarora wrote: »

Arbit wrote: »

There are already pvp only motifs in battlegrounds. Im currently missing one I farmed for a while, but couldn't take it anymore so gave up on it. Yes, you can only get those ones by participating in battlegrounds.

Ah, okay. I stand corrected. Never noticed those were untradable since they're style pages and I eat them immediately.

Arbit wrote: »

The currency, tel var, is already pretty darn exclusive, and forces people into pvp regions to get it. It is a pvp exclusive motif, since you're forced to earn ridiculous amounts of it to get the motifs in question. I don't see the reason to make it sort of like (a bit of a stretch) the god slayer mount, but for pvpers.

You can still farm tel var without killing a single player... so it is not totally a pvp motif if it was only tel var. It does cost a lot to an extent you might as well kill players in order to get the currency however I'd think the possibility of not doing any pvp to get the motif would cheapen it. Making it cost a lot of tel var and have a pretty high alliance rank gives the motif its elite status. I'm not really a pvper so I shouldn't speak on the behalf of the pvp community on how important the motif is to them, I just thought it to be a nice gesture from the outside and something that motivates me to pvp more.

Arbit wrote: »

It might as well be for someone who loathes pvp. I really liked it when they made some skins that used to require trifecta's far easier to get for the common player. This was a great move in my opinion, but now they're going back to that with things like this armor motif. It is a pvp motif frankly, since it requires tel var.

Speaking of motivation, this is something I can speak on. Absolutely no one is entitled to having comfortable access to things just because they want them. I've never heard of a skin requiring a trifecta but if you mean the vet trial completion skins and the dungeon challenger skins, removing those rewards hurts endgame because there's barely anything to work towards. Having rewards that seem unachievable can be a big motivator for getting people into content and keeping people in content.

It's a game, it's not about entitlement. Its about accessibility. They don't need to make it free, but they don't need to make it simply unobtainable to certain audiences. This game is not very hardcore, and I like that about it. There's plenty of titles for the end game players to flaunt. Personally I got spirit slayer specifically so I could use the title. I know there are probably many titles players work hard to get. I'm happy they haven't made most motifs inaccessible, but this new motif is not available for sale, is not obtainable by really any other means than to pvp.

Arbit

I don't know where you get the idea, we shouldn't be allowed to have an avenue of accessibility. Calling it entitlement, is silly if you ask me. "Absolutely no one is entitled to having comfortable access to things", that seems silly line for a fantasy world. I'm not asking for it even to be entirely easy, what I'm saying is they shouldn't force us to bend over for pvper's for it. Some of us have had quite enough of pvp. We need other avenues of attainment.

CheepsNSalsa

I actually just bought the set today. 325k tel var. The reason I bought it is because it's very rare, you have to work for it. The AP required to reach rank 20 is nothing compared to the Tel Var required to buy it, if you knew how much harder it is to gather 325k tel var than to earn 4m AP this thread wouldn't exist.

Arbit

CheepsNSalsa wrote: »

I actually just bought the set today. 325k tel var. The reason I bought it is because it's very rare, you have to work for it. The AP required to reach rank 20 is nothing compared to the Tel Var required to buy it, if you knew how much harder it is to gather 325k tel var than to earn 4m AP this thread wouldn't exist.

I'm prepared for the long haul of gathering tel var if I can gather an amount of about 1k per day + daily rewards + event coffers when mayhem is around. I can gather it without fighting people, and doing quests and fighting daedra.

katanagirl1

I’ve got the rank but buying the whole set would have used up all my tel var and I wanted to save some. I did get the shoulder page during the Zenithar event due to some helpful person here on the forums letting me know about it.

EF321

Arbit wrote: »

[ I don't see the reason to make it sort of like (a bit of a stretch) the god slayer mount, but for pvpers.

I want to get senche while zerging a keep or after turning in 50 vlastarus quests.

Arbit

EF321 wrote: »

Arbit wrote: »

[ I don't see the reason to make it sort of like (a bit of a stretch) the god slayer mount, but for pvpers.

I want to get senche while zerging a keep or after turning in 50 vlastarus quests.

funny, I kinda left that it was a stretch in the message. Good joke tho.

Blinx

I wanted this as well, but kind of lost my enthusiasm after a while. I don't PVP, so basically all I did was the town quests, scouting reports, and repairing keeps.

I've made it to rank 16, but it's slow as molasses now to get the bar to move up, so I'm taking a break until I get motivated enough to try for Rank 17, and so on.

ToRelax

Arbit wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

Arbit wrote: »

There are already pvp only motifs in battlegrounds. Im currently missing one I farmed for a while, but couldn't take it anymore so gave up on it. Yes, you can only get those ones by participating in battlegrounds.

Ah, okay. I stand corrected. Never noticed those were untradable since they're style pages and I eat them immediately.

Arbit wrote: »

The currency, tel var, is already pretty darn exclusive, and forces people into pvp regions to get it. It is a pvp exclusive motif, since you're forced to earn ridiculous amounts of it to get the motifs in question. I don't see the reason to make it sort of like (a bit of a stretch) the god slayer mount, but for pvpers.

You can still farm tel var without killing a single player... so it is not totally a pvp motif if it was only tel var. It does cost a lot to an extent you might as well kill players in order to get the currency however I'd think the possibility of not doing any pvp to get the motif would cheapen it. Making it cost a lot of tel var and have a pretty high alliance rank gives the motif its elite status. I'm not really a pvper so I shouldn't speak on the behalf of the pvp community on how important the motif is to them, I just thought it to be a nice gesture from the outside and something that motivates me to pvp more.

Arbit wrote: »

It might as well be for someone who loathes pvp. I really liked it when they made some skins that used to require trifecta's far easier to get for the common player. This was a great move in my opinion, but now they're going back to that with things like this armor motif. It is a pvp motif frankly, since it requires tel var.

Speaking of motivation, this is something I can speak on. Absolutely no one is entitled to having comfortable access to things just because they want them. I've never heard of a skin requiring a trifecta but if you mean the vet trial completion skins and the dungeon challenger skins, removing those rewards hurts endgame because there's barely anything to work towards. Having rewards that seem unachievable can be a big motivator for getting people into content and keeping people in content.

It's a game, it's not about entitlement. Its about accessibility. They don't need to make it free, but they don't need to make it simply unobtainable to certain audiences. This game is not very hardcore, and I like that about it. There's plenty of titles for the end game players to flaunt. Personally I got spirit slayer specifically so I could use the title. I know there are probably many titles players work hard to get. I'm happy they haven't made most motifs inaccessible, but this new motif is not available for sale, is not obtainable by really any other means than to pvp.

The only people they've made it unobtainable by are players who loathe PvP to the degree they wouldn't farm PvP currencies which don't actually require PvP. You can do quests in Cyrodiil, you can take resources. If you can overcome your disdain for the game whose cosmetic rewards you want, you can also do Battlegrounds and make guaranteed progress even if you don't do super well at first.

You aren't complaining about something being impossible for you to get - which would be perfectly fine - but that you aren't getting faster. You're not "prepared for the long haul", you're on the forums asking to be just given rewards without playing the content they are meant to encourage. The height of entitlement is what this is.

Tra_Lalan

So basicaly you want the style but you don't want to fulfill the requirements for them?

I don't understand how this makes you feel cheated. Every player should be treated the same way, fulfill the same rules for rewards. That is the only fair way. If a PvPer wants a cool looking skin, he has to do the PvE requirements for it, even if he doesn't like PvE.
Its simple: you want them, do what is needed to get them. You can grind for tel vars in the IC sewers killing mobs, you can go to Cyrodill and repair walls and gates (first kill a delve boss there to get some 20% AP bonus for 1 hour).

Naftal

Even if you don't want to pvp, it's better to follow a zerg instead of doing solo objectives for next to no ap.

redlink1979

You will have to PvP, there's no other way to get those pages:
- Join a group on Cyrodiil or a PvP guild, solo quests will take forever for you to collect the almost 4 million AP required to reach rank 20.
- Gathering 325K Tel-Var will take even longer if you're planning to collect it solo and from PvE mobs.

TheGreatBlackBear

These should be tradable tbh. There's barely any reliable way to convert tel var to gold. The best you can hope for is gambling on PA boxes or alchemy sachems.

lunaslide

Original v7.3.0 Patch Note:

The Dragonguard Berserker Armor outfit style can now be obtained from Imperial City Vaults. This unique armor visual gives those dedicated to PvP a new look that is solely acquired through PvP activity.

Your chance of obtaining one works similarly to that of obtaining a Nibenese Court Wizard style page – having a higher Tel Var Stone multiplier increases your chances of obtaining one of these new Style Pages.
To retain the prestige of this appearance, the items attained for building this outfit cannot be traded.

Emphasis added. When the community pointed out that key fragments would not require engaging in actual PvP activities, the method of acquisition was changed again to better ensure that only those "dedicated to PvP" would be able to get the outfit style.

Patch Note 7.3.2:

Update to Dragonguard Berserker Outfit Style
The Dragonguard Berserker Bound Style Pages have been removed from the Imperial City Vaults, and instead are now available for purchase on associated Tel Var Merchants when you are at least Alliance Rank 20.

Hopefully, reviewing these patch notes makes it crystal clear that the intention was to provide people who actually do PvP with something unique. It's one of the few things PvP players have actually received that was meant for them in years. If you too would like to have this outfit style, go out and play some PvP.

I mostly PvE, and I do not have this outfit. But during Mayhem, I dedicate myself to doing *only* PvP to improve myself and participate fully in the spirit of the event. Despite playing five different characters during the events and in PvP at other times, my main is 19 7/8 Alliance rank. It's achievable and doesn't take forever, but you gotta come down off that fence.

CGPsaint

Find a comfortable farming loop in the sewers near your base entrance, and just kill everything in that loop and then pop in and bank the Tel Var. I have a loop that I run where I can collect 1K Tel Var fairly quickly and the time that it takes to bank the Tel Var, is roughly how long it takes everything to respawn. I run full PvE gear for max damage and it's a breeze. I very rarely run into other players, and the only time I've died whilst farming is during PvP events or when I get ambushed by a dirty Nightblade. Keep invis pots slotted and if you see an enemy player, just pop that invis pot and find a nice corner to hide in for a few minutes.

As far as rank is concerned, you have several options. You can run Battlegrounds and even if your team loses, you will still get AP which increases your PvP rank. You can running healing abilities and roll with a zerg as it steamrolls around the map, or you can buy up a boatload of Wall Repair Kits and make sure that all of the keeps that your alliance currently holds are fully repaired. Make sure that you're using the new PvP food (Colovian War Torte) which increases your rank gain by 50%.

Not sure if it's still a thing, but you can also pop into a delve to kill a boss for a 20% AP gains for an hour. Granted this might not be an option anymore because for a long time if you entered a delve, you got stuck in said delve...

lunaslide

CGPsaint wrote: »

Not sure if it's still a thing, but you can also pop into a delve to kill a boss for a 20% AP gains for an hour. Granted this might not be an option anymore because for a long time if you entered a delve, you got stuck in said delve...

It's still a thing, but don't do it when your alliance is population locked. That's usually when you get stuck inside.

Dawnblade

While I don't like or support stuff like skills or sets (e.g. character progression and power) locked to one type of content when those skills or sets are needed in another, I have no problem with cosmetic and accessory-type content items being locked behind a grind locked inside a specific type of content.

This is an example of a good reward structure that encourages players to engage in an aspect of gameplay by choice versus those that feel mandatory for character progression and power.

Not having a certain motif isn't going to make your character any lesser than anyone else's character, as in you will not be excluded (either by the game or other players) from any content because you didn't do the grind.

Oakenaxe

Hopefully, reviewing these patch notes makes it crystal clear that the intention was to provide people who actually do PvP with something unique. It's one of the few things PvP players have actually received that was meant for them in years. If you too would like to have this outfit style, go out and play some PvP.

- This! I'm glad they did something like this, it's just a shame I find it ugly

Galiferno

I did a lot of grinding to get the tel var and AP rank required to get it and then I just found it to be ugly and haven't actually used it lol

Sarannah

Personally I am ok with the tel var and rank 20 requirement, even as a non-PvPer. But I do feel Alliance rank needs to be accountwide. Currently I have 18 characters with alliance ranks between 6-16, which should make it more than enough for a combined rank of 20. Expecting players to go for alliance rank 50 on every single character is just unreasonable.

Lady_Galadhiel

Some sympathy with the PvP'ers, let them have something which they can earn which displays somewhat that they spended some time in PvP, something which isn't a rank or a title. Those pages cost 75k up to 100k tel var each, so you need to spend lots of time in IC to get that amount if you desire to have each or at least a few pages of the style.

Also rank 20 isn't much,one of my toons is rank 25 and has barly spend some time doing PvP, talking before the time War Tortes existed to boost rank.I feel like the requirements should be actually higher, at least Rank 30 or 35.

Holycannoli

Sarannah wrote: »

Personally I am ok with the tel var and rank 20 requirement, even as a non-PvPer. But I do feel Alliance rank needs to be accountwide. Currently I have 18 characters with alliance ranks between 6-16, which should make it more than enough for a combined rank of 20. Expecting players to go for alliance rank 50 on every single character is just unreasonable.

But it also gives skill points and that's not something they're gonna want to just give away because one character already earned them all. It's like running dungeons or public dungeons. Every character needs to do them for the skill points.