Why Are Trifecta Rewards in Such Low Quality

p4l4mu7

Trifectas such as Godslayer, Planesbreaker and Swashbuckler Supreme are some of the hardest pve content this game has to offer. But why are the mounts we get for these trifectas are nothing but simple re-skins of the already existing mounts.
Developers are definitely capable enough of making really good looking mounts, most of the radiant apex are really good looking and they are all pretty much unique, why can't we just get quality rewards for completing the hardest contents in game, why are all the actual good cosmetics locked behing paywall rather than rewarding hard work.

I am only using trifecta mounts because they display my hardwork, if these mounts were sold in crown store I wouldn't even consider buying such low quality mounts.

Tsar_Gekkou

I feel like the Surfglow Courser from the Sunken Trove crates should've been the Swashbuckler Supreme mount. The Godslayer mount is the only one that even has an "apex" feel to it with the persistent effects it has. The Planesbreaker mount feels so basic that I can't bring myself to use it over my celestial ram.

Oakenaxe

Honestly, I dislike all of those, but that first one... unbelievable lol

Lady_Galadhiel

These mounts are earned by 1% of the playerbase or less, which isn't a big number and ZOS cant make money with them so they put less efford into things like these.
Out of all I think the Godslayer mount is the nices looking one from them all and is in every aspect,unique.

Endgame players at least can earn free mounts through playing.

p4l4mu7

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

Out of all I think the Godslayer mount is the nices looking one from them all and is in every aspect,unique.

Personally Imo godslayer mount is the best one among these three but I'm gonna stop you right there with unique it is literally combination of two other mounts, just lazy work, though I would be happy if it had a decent summon animation and some persistant decent effects.

Also I get the idea that only a fraction of playerbase is obtaining these mounts, but games like gw2 and ff14 offer their best mounts as rewards for completing pve content and these are relatively some of the biggest mmos along with eso

TheGreatBlackBear

Because if they were anything that was actually good the 99.99% of players who can't complete the achievement would complain that good rewards are gated behind content they can't do. To some extent this already exists with the VKA boat and the VSS statues.

Dawnblade

p4l4mu7 wrote: »

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

Out of all I think the Godslayer mount is the nices looking one from them all and is in every aspect,unique.

Personally Imo godslayer mount is the best one among these three but I'm gonna stop you right there with unique it is literally combination of two other mounts, just lazy work, I would be happy if it had a decent summon animation and some persistant decent effects.

Also I get the idea that only a fraction of playerbase is obtaining these mounts, games like gw2 and ff14 offer their best mounts as rewards for completing pve content and these are relatively some of the biggest mmos along with eso

FFXIV is larger than ESO, and yet obtaining the mounts is a lot less exclusive, so not comparable.

ESO would need to simplify the game and actually improve accessibility as well as have some sort of verticle progression that allowed content to become substantially easier over time and / or provide alternative means to obtain older content mounts to be comparable.

At 90 (current level cap) in FFXIV, one can solo many of the extreme trials which drop mounts, and everything except the current level 90 stuff can be done by a small group, and the current 90 stuff is not so inaccessible as it is in ESO, so many more players complete it.

Not to mention quite a few of the difficult mode mounts end up as rewards that can be obtained through various events (such as the current Moogle event that has mounts from various ARR, HW, and SB expansion extreme trials available).

Lastly, FFXIV is nowhere near as reliant on the cash shop as ZOS, so they tend to put most items in the game itself rather than hold them back to monetize in the cash shop, and afaik they do not sell loot boxes at all.

All of which is to say the model doesn't fit ZOS and ESO - a larger percentage of players engaged and completing the content would be needed for ZOS to even consider forgoing some cash shop revenue for in-game rewards.

EDIT TO ADD: I would like to see more unique and interesting in-game rewards to pursue as I don't care for the current 'pay for it, mostly by gambling on loot boxes' model, but the game and its business model are what they are, and unfortunately, I don't see it changing anytime soon.

TheGreatBlackBear

Dawnblade wrote: »

p4l4mu7 wrote: »

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

Out of all I think the Godslayer mount is the nices looking one from them all and is in every aspect,unique.

Personally Imo godslayer mount is the best one among these three but I'm gonna stop you right there with unique it is literally combination of two other mounts, just lazy work, I would be happy if it had a decent summon animation and some persistant decent effects.

Also I get the idea that only a fraction of playerbase is obtaining these mounts, games like gw2 and ff14 offer their best mounts as rewards for completing pve content and these are relatively some of the biggest mmos along with eso

FFXIV is larger than ESO, and yet obtaining the mounts is a lot less exclusive, so not comparable.

ESO would need to simplify the game and actually improve accessibility as well as have some sort of verticle progression that allowed content to become substantially easier over time and / or provide alternative means to obtain older content mounts to be comparable.

At 90 (current level cap) in FFXIV, one can solo many of the extreme trials which drop mounts, and everything except the current level 90 stuff can be done by a small group, and the current 90 stuff is not so inaccessible as it is in ESO, so many more players complete it.

Not to mention quite a few of the difficult mode mounts end up as rewards that can be obtained through various events (such as the current Moogle event that has mounts from various ARR, HW, and SB expansion extreme trials available).

Lastly, FFXIV is nowhere near as reliant on the cash shop as ZOS, so they tend to put most items in the game itself rather than hold them back to monetize in the cash shop, and afaik they do not sell loot boxes at all.

FF has the same problems. A good example of this was Cruise Chaser going to the store instead of being a BLU mount or a PVP mount. Many people (myself included) weren't impressed with the first set of savage gear and the weapons from Dragonsong.

BlueRaven

Just a question: Are you doing these because you enjoy hard content or are you doing these for the rewards?

I did CR+3 (normal) which was right in my sweet spot for preferred difficulty. Now I know that accomplishment is still a fairly rare, not super rare, in achievements, but as far as I know I got basically no reward for it, other then a small bit of RP in Shimmerine.

If I did this on vet, maybe I would expect some different RP spiel, but that’s about it as well.

If I was a high end player doing trifectas I am not sure I would use ANY of those mounts, they don’t fit with the “look” of my characters, but I would be interested in the story ramifications of completing them. That would be reward enough for me.

Dawnblade

TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »

Dawnblade wrote: »

p4l4mu7 wrote: »

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

Out of all I think the Godslayer mount is the nices looking one from them all and is in every aspect,unique.

Personally Imo godslayer mount is the best one among these three but I'm gonna stop you right there with unique it is literally combination of two other mounts, just lazy work, I would be happy if it had a decent summon animation and some persistant decent effects.

Also I get the idea that only a fraction of playerbase is obtaining these mounts, games like gw2 and ff14 offer their best mounts as rewards for completing pve content and these are relatively some of the biggest mmos along with eso

FFXIV is larger than ESO, and yet obtaining the mounts is a lot less exclusive, so not comparable.

ESO would need to simplify the game and actually improve accessibility as well as have some sort of verticle progression that allowed content to become substantially easier over time and / or provide alternative means to obtain older content mounts to be comparable.

At 90 (current level cap) in FFXIV, one can solo many of the extreme trials which drop mounts, and everything except the current level 90 stuff can be done by a small group, and the current 90 stuff is not so inaccessible as it is in ESO, so many more players complete it.

Not to mention quite a few of the difficult mode mounts end up as rewards that can be obtained through various events (such as the current Moogle event that has mounts from various ARR, HW, and SB expansion extreme trials available).

Lastly, FFXIV is nowhere near as reliant on the cash shop as ZOS, so they tend to put most items in the game itself rather than hold them back to monetize in the cash shop, and afaik they do not sell loot boxes at all.

FF has the same problems. A good example of this was Cruise Chaser going to the store instead of being a BLU mount or a PVP mount. Many people (myself included) weren't impressed with the first set of savage gear and the weapons from Dragonsong.

Sadly the cash shops have come to all live service games, though at least there are differences still - from mostly subscription-based games (FFXIV) to cash shop heavy games with loot boxes (ESO) to somewhere in-between (WoW with its tokens and mounts) to outright P2W (many F2P games).

UntilValhalla13

Also don't forget...

FACE MARKINGS.......

p4l4mu7

BlueRaven wrote: »

Just a question: Are you doing these because you enjoy hard content or are you doing these for the rewards?

Both
But it doesn't matter, even if 50% of the player base did it for fun and other 50% did for rewards they are still obliged to create good content for an expansion they sell for 40$.

OBJnoob

Okay I’m gonna offer a different perspective here… from a pvper that tries to spend as little real money on the game as possible. Don’t hate me.

I think the mounts look good. Not really the first one it’s kinda ugly… but it looks like it’s supposed to be ugly so I’m not hating on it for that. More that they chose too strong/dark/weird a color and it takes away from some of the contouring and shading and it ends up looking less real than the others.

BUT. The other two? Gorgeous. I feel like if one is derivative of another mount you probably only know that because a) you LOVE mounts, collect them, and just otherwise emerse yourself with that aspect of the game and b) because you seem to hold a pretty high standard for mounts. A has a lot to do with B. Most of us… and by us I mean more of us than just are reading this thread right now… wouldn’t catch that. I mean the senches all look the same anyway right? They’re cats.

So anyway… my honest opinion, admittedly less educated than yours but perhaps a better gauge of normal, is that two of those 3 pictures were awesome. I don’t have those. Those are cooler than what I have. I want to have those. I will probably never have those. I’m probably not good enough at pve to get those even if I tried.

Similarly I’m not going to pay however much for a radiant apex I got better things to do with my dollars and I kinda dislike the freaky bright glow anyway.

My best mount… I don’t even know what it’s called, but I bought it for like 8000 seals of endeavor. Might be called azure-blight… glows a frosty looking blue… I got the bear.

Dragonlord573

Furthermore why are dungeon trifecta rewards nothing but crummy titles now? Where are our skins and personalities?

p4l4mu7

OBJnoob wrote: »

Okay I’m gonna offer a different perspective here… from a pvper that tries to spend as little real money on the game as possible. Don’t hate me.

I think the mounts look good. Not really the first one it’s kinda ugly… but it looks like it’s supposed to be ugly so I’m not hating on it for that. More that they chose too strong/dark/weird a color and it takes away from some of the contouring and shading and it ends up looking less real than the others.

BUT. The other two? Gorgeous. I feel like if one is derivative of another mount you probably only know that because a) you LOVE mounts, collect them, and just otherwise emerse yourself with that aspect of the game and b) because you seem to hold a pretty high standard for mounts. A has a lot to do with B. Most of us… and by us I mean more of us than just are reading this thread right now… wouldn’t catch that. I mean the senches all look the same anyway right? They’re cats.

So anyway… my honest opinion, admittedly less educated than yours but perhaps a better gauge of normal, is that two of those 3 pictures were awesome. I don’t have those. Those are cooler than what I have. I want to have those. I will probably never have those. I’m probably not good enough at pve to get those even if I tried.

Similarly I’m not going to pay however much for a radiant apex I got better things to do with my dollars and I kinda dislike the freaky bright glow anyway.

My best mount… I don’t even know what it’s called, but I bought it for like 8000 seals of endeavor. Might be called azure-blight… glows a frosty looking blue… I got the bear.

I absolutely get your point, these mounts are good, they are 7/10 in my opinion, but you get 7/10 mount for completing something only maybe 3-5% of the players can get, but on the other hand if I do daily endevors for a year by harvesting two plants, killing 10 atronachs I will have a 10/10 mount for free. My issue is getting re-skinned mount for doing something that is suppose to be the hardest content in the game.

Ones opinion can change as they earn more and more mounts and see how the quality differs from radiant apex to an achievement mount

This was my first mount I got back in 2016, to me it was an amazing mount and I still like it, but it doesn't change the fact that it is a basic mount whether I love it or not. Same goes for trifecta mounts, yes you may find it pretty, it is your personal preference, you may think it is the best mount in the game for you but it won't change the fact that these are re-skins and not something unique.

OBJnoob

See I’m just kinda playing devils advocate I definitely see your point… but then you did just say something I do disagree with and kinda makes me want to reinforce my argument. You say you can get a better mount by doing endeavors for a year. A YEAR. But you want a better mount for doing some content that takes you, what, an hour? Or probably less since you’re doing it perfectly.

There’s more than one way to be ‘exclusive.’ You can exclude people by skill. But you can also exclude people without a certain longevity and dedication to the game ( as demonstrated by grinding endeavors for a YEAR.) and then you can exclude those that aren’t willing to pay money. The 3rd is the most distasteful I’m sure we both agree. But I do NOT agree with you that 1 hour of skilled play should reward more than 1 year of loyalty.

biovitalb16_ESO

I've been saying this for ages now. Anything you can earn in game is absolute trash. All the best looking stuff is from crates. There's no point in doing achievements other than saying you've done them.

Want something cool looking though...spend real money.

p4l4mu7

OBJnoob wrote: »

You say you can get a better mount by doing endeavors for a year. A YEAR. But you want a better mount for doing some content that takes you, what, an hour? Or probably less since you’re doing it perfectly.

No doing trifectas don't take an hour, godslayer for example, it only took 25 mins to complete...

Getting to the point where you can clear the trifecta however. You don't just move into the trial and complete trifecta right away, progressions take months, it takes more than a year for some people to get their trifecta, you have to attend to runs every single day you agreed on. 12 people organize and run a trial for more than a year to get their achievement, you have to show up in time every day you agreed along with other 11 people, so yeah running a progression for a year is harder than killing 10 atros and collecting 10 woods ever day for a year.

OBJnoob

The really good players that already have all the old achievements before the new ones come out… I don’t think they spend a year progressing. I think you’re overstating the effort a bit. Pretty sure people are beating the new trifectas very soon after the release… and some of this is thanks to PTS and some of this is thanks to sky high dps (which is being nerfed so it may be more like what you say now.)

Anyway, like I said I’m a pvper. If I want the crowning achievement that I guess would be getting emperor then I have to grind pretty hard for two or three days to get it. Two or three days is the length of commitment. I don’t get to mention how first I had to pvp for two years to get good first.

BUT. I don’t want to keep debating. Personally I would be happy to have those mounts as a reward. I believe my rewards when I finally got emporer were a lot less than that. A dye stamp and a title is all I recall, and I’d be curious what percentage of players have gotten Emperor so that we can compare more objectively.

But since I’m not a hardcore enough pve player to get those mounts anyway it really isn’t important what I think on the matter. I think the rewards should be enough to satisfy those that earn them. And if only the most zealous and detail oriented people can earn them… then they better be darn good mounts.

AinSoph

Don't forget the earnable words next to your name that people can literally disable in settings if they wanted to.

Call_of_Red_Mountain

Dragonlord573 wrote: »

Furthermore why are dungeon trifecta rewards nothing but crummy titles now? Where are our skins and personalities?

Same question.

tonyblack

Initially I thought this was about dungeon achievements and in that case I would have to agree, but for trials I really don’t see the problem. Most mounts in this game could be called a “reskin”. Only a few radiant apexes have some uniqueness in their design while a lot more just a different version of regular apexes (who are reskins of generic mounts with some shiny armor and effects). Imho, godslayer and swashbuckler supreme mounts look kind of cool if not unique, leagues above what you could get from anything else outside of cash shop.

Tra_Lalan

They don't care how they look, because they know that no one will see them

Its like, when you aren't expecting any guests and just plan to watch some TV series all day long.

They are that kind of pijamas/no makeup mounts.