Can we get an experience lock?

PvXGamer

There is under 50 PvP, but it seems woefully underpopulated. Can we get an option to lock the experience gained for a character if we want? So that we can stop a character from leveling if we do not want it to.

Dawnblade

Just do like the existing under-50 tryhards - gold out sets of reconstructed gear, and keep recycling alts.

El_Borracho

Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of under-50? You can already use all of your CP. Would turn it into perma-troll-land

FluffWit

As he said under 50 Cyrodiil is so dead it wouldn't matter. Which is a shame, had a blast in it 5-6 years ago.

Battlegrounds it's just a terrible idea. Plenty of under 50s do them, you probably go up half a level a battleground and that's pretty much essential to stop people just getting to, say, level 30 putting together an op build and crushing the legit new players.

Monte_Cristo

Maybe instead of completely halting XP, a food or scroll that halves the XP gain, a sort of opposite XP scroll.

ghastley

El_Borracho wrote: »

Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of under-50? You can already use all of your CP. Would turn it into perma-troll-land

Maybe the OP wants to be one of those trolls? I would have thought a player wants to grow out of under-50, but what do I know?

BloodMagicLord

ghastley wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of under-50? You can already use all of your CP. Would turn it into perma-troll-land

Maybe the OP wants to be one of those trolls? I would have thought a player wants to grow out of under-50, but what do I know?

Under 50 campaign used to be excellent. It offered both an accessible entry into 1vX scenarios when you were zerged by noobs, and it also had a small community of skilled players who loved the campaign. I started out as a noob in that campaign and gradually moved towards being in the latter group. It really pains me to see how dead that campaign is now.

When I was a noob in that campaign, I of course encountered the super experienced players from time to time, but I didn't get upset by them, I was just impressed and they inspired me to get better at the game. Sometimes I would DM them and ask them questions, and mostly they were happy to respond and explain some of what they were doing. I don't see how any of this is a bad thing.

I'm also not sure how any of this is "trolling", but people really do love to overuse that word nowadays.

BloodMagicLord

I will always call that campaign Blackwater Blade until the day I die, no matter how many times ZOS renames it.

Dagoth_Rac

This feels like it would quickly become full of perpetual Level 49 players, with almost all of their skills and passives unlocked, stomping on the faces of new players. If the idea of Under 50 PVP is to introduce new players to PVP in a campaign where they are not as overmatched, this seems like the opposite.

El_Borracho

@BloodMagicLord I referred to it as trolling because it would be artificially lowering someone's level for the sole reason of remaining in the under-50 campaign indefinitely. You nailed it that the under-50 is supposed to accessible as an entry-level PVP zone. While there will always be experienced players there, most experienced players are there as they level alternates that will be used in "full grown" PVP and PVE zones once they hit level 50.

But for someone who is really a CP 1800+ to appear as a Level 50, only to stay and fight other Level 50's in PVP, is not what the under-50 is for. Yes, you can roll alts and keep going in over and over, but the inconvenience of that is enough of a deterrent to keep that to a handful of players in comparison to the whole. If you remove that, under-50 turns into one of 2 things (1) a zone that is actually all high level vets that squeezes out the chance for entry level PVP, or (2) a zone where experienced players troll for easy kills among noobs, without having to re-roll characters. Neither are positive outcomes.

PvXGamer

ghastley wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of under-50? You can already use all of your CP. Would turn it into perma-troll-land

Maybe the OP wants to be one of those trolls? I would have thought a player wants to grow out of under-50, but what do I know?

How about helping low levels learn to play, by playing with them, instead of against them? You have no idea how many people I have had to assist over the last two years in understanding how just the primary bases work in Cyro, without going into the other aspects that those who are genuinely new do not know immediately upon logging in. Why does it have to be some a-hole mentality that you attribute something like this to?

On that note, one way to make it a little more difficult for those who do want to be trolls so they can grief low-level players is just to make under level 50 Cyrodiil no-CP.

the1andonlyskwex

This would be awful. U50 would quickly fill up with level 40-somethings in optimized gold gear (and optimally leveled skills) that would crush anyone actually trying to level.

The best part about U50 BGs is that you can go into them and be reasonably competitive without an optimized build, while MMR eventually forces any max level character into a situation where they're overmatched if they don't start treating BGs like a job instead of a game.

Just keep rolling alts if you want to stay in sub-50 (and please don't hand down gear from one to the next).

PvXGamer

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

This would be awful. U50 would quickly fill up with level 40-somethings in optimized gold gear (and optimally leveled skills) that would crush anyone actually trying to level.

The best part about U50 BGs is that you can go into them and be reasonably competitive without an optimized build, while MMR eventually forces any max level character into a situation where they're overmatched if they don't start treating BGs like a job instead of a game.

Just keep rolling alts if you want to stay in sub-50 (and please don't hand down gear from one to the next).

You do realize how easy it is to craft a couple of sets of purple gear + a gold weapon if that is the route you want to go, right?

the1andonlyskwex

PvXGamer wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

This would be awful. U50 would quickly fill up with level 40-somethings in optimized gold gear (and optimally leveled skills) that would crush anyone actually trying to level.

The best part about U50 BGs is that you can go into them and be reasonably competitive without an optimized build, while MMR eventually forces any max level character into a situation where they're overmatched if they don't start treating BGs like a job instead of a game.

Just keep rolling alts if you want to stay in sub-50 (and please don't hand down gear from one to the next).

You do realize how easy it is to craft a couple of sets of purple gear + a gold weapon if that is the route you want to go, right?

First, that's a lot rarer than it would be with an experience lock. Second, I think you're neglecting all of the skill leveling shenanigans people would likely get up to with a lock. I can totally imagine people figuring out how to optimize their skill unlocks so they have skills like Streak or some of the guild passives at very low levels (so they can use high end skills while also benefitting from battle leveling). Doing that sort of thing isn't worthwhile now, but it absolutely could be with an experience lock.

whitecrow

This is the first time I have seen someone who did NOT want to level up.

El_Borracho

PvXGamer wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

This would be awful. U50 would quickly fill up with level 40-somethings in optimized gold gear (and optimally leveled skills) that would crush anyone actually trying to level.

The best part about U50 BGs is that you can go into them and be reasonably competitive without an optimized build, while MMR eventually forces any max level character into a situation where they're overmatched if they don't start treating BGs like a job instead of a game.

Just keep rolling alts if you want to stay in sub-50 (and please don't hand down gear from one to the next).

You do realize how easy it is to craft a couple of sets of purple gear + a gold weapon if that is the route you want to go, right?

Fine, first rule is to restrict it to only 60 skill points. Second, only crafted gear, no reconstructed gear. Which would eliminate mythic gear, arena gear, monster sets, and DLC dungeon gear. After all, none of those things are available to legitimate U-50 players. Third, the gear must be crafted by that alternate. Yes, I realize your master crafter is currently making all gear now, but this is the trade-off for experience lock as you are trading experience for your ability to remain in a beginner zone indefinitely. Siege weapons? Nope, can't use any acquired by another character. Oh yeah, and your mount speed and stamina is locked to level 20 as players don't go out and buy max mount stats for their alternates in the crown store, simply to use until they get to Level 50 before re-rolling another alternate to play U-50, either. Got to keep it realistic for a U-50 campaign!

Hmm doesn't sound so fun now, does it. You know, because this isn't about going in with fully loaded skills, CP, and OP gear that is unavailable for the vast majority of those in the U-50 campaign....

Necrotech_Master

El_Borracho wrote: »

PvXGamer wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

This would be awful. U50 would quickly fill up with level 40-somethings in optimized gold gear (and optimally leveled skills) that would crush anyone actually trying to level.

The best part about U50 BGs is that you can go into them and be reasonably competitive without an optimized build, while MMR eventually forces any max level character into a situation where they're overmatched if they don't start treating BGs like a job instead of a game.

Just keep rolling alts if you want to stay in sub-50 (and please don't hand down gear from one to the next).

You do realize how easy it is to craft a couple of sets of purple gear + a gold weapon if that is the route you want to go, right?

Fine, first rule is to restrict it to only 60 skill points. Second, only crafted gear, no reconstructed gear. Which would eliminate mythic gear, arena gear, monster sets, and DLC dungeon gear. After all, none of those things are available to legitimate U-50 players. Third, the gear must be crafted by that alternate. Yes, I realize your master crafter is currently making all gear now, but this is the trade-off for experience lock as you are trading experience for your ability to remain in a beginner zone indefinitely. Siege weapons? Nope, can't use any acquired by another character. Oh yeah, and your mount speed and stamina is locked to level 20 as players don't go out and buy max mount stats for their alternates in the crown store, simply to use until they get to Level 50 before re-rolling another alternate to play U-50, either. Got to keep it realistic for a U-50 campaign!

Hmm doesn't sound so fun now, does it. You know, because this isn't about going in with fully loaded skills, CP, and OP gear that is unavailable for the vast majority of those in the U-50 campaign....

mythic gear is already hard locked at cp160, there is no way to get it lower than that (that i know of)

stuff like mounts could be maxed out on a level 1 without buying anything, it would just take 6 months of camping a stablemaster and doing nothing with that toon other than logging in and doing mount training (as that offers no xp)

yeah its a lot of prep but possible lol

the1andonlyskwex

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

PvXGamer wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

This would be awful. U50 would quickly fill up with level 40-somethings in optimized gold gear (and optimally leveled skills) that would crush anyone actually trying to level.

The best part about U50 BGs is that you can go into them and be reasonably competitive without an optimized build, while MMR eventually forces any max level character into a situation where they're overmatched if they don't start treating BGs like a job instead of a game.

Just keep rolling alts if you want to stay in sub-50 (and please don't hand down gear from one to the next).

You do realize how easy it is to craft a couple of sets of purple gear + a gold weapon if that is the route you want to go, right?

Fine, first rule is to restrict it to only 60 skill points. Second, only crafted gear, no reconstructed gear. Which would eliminate mythic gear, arena gear, monster sets, and DLC dungeon gear. After all, none of those things are available to legitimate U-50 players. Third, the gear must be crafted by that alternate. Yes, I realize your master crafter is currently making all gear now, but this is the trade-off for experience lock as you are trading experience for your ability to remain in a beginner zone indefinitely. Siege weapons? Nope, can't use any acquired by another character. Oh yeah, and your mount speed and stamina is locked to level 20 as players don't go out and buy max mount stats for their alternates in the crown store, simply to use until they get to Level 50 before re-rolling another alternate to play U-50, either. Got to keep it realistic for a U-50 campaign!

Hmm doesn't sound so fun now, does it. You know, because this isn't about going in with fully loaded skills, CP, and OP gear that is unavailable for the vast majority of those in the U-50 campaign....

mythic gear is already hard locked at cp160, there is no way to get it lower than that (that i know of)

stuff like mounts could be maxed out on a level 1 without buying anything, it would just take 6 months of camping a stablemaster and doing nothing with that toon other than logging in and doing mount training (as that offers no xp)

yeah its a lot of prep but possible lol

Spending 180 days (or real money) maxing out a mount for a sub-50 campaign isn't nearly as efficient/worthwhile when you're not going to stay in that campaign for very long (because of leveling).

Necrotech_Master

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

PvXGamer wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

This would be awful. U50 would quickly fill up with level 40-somethings in optimized gold gear (and optimally leveled skills) that would crush anyone actually trying to level.

The best part about U50 BGs is that you can go into them and be reasonably competitive without an optimized build, while MMR eventually forces any max level character into a situation where they're overmatched if they don't start treating BGs like a job instead of a game.

Just keep rolling alts if you want to stay in sub-50 (and please don't hand down gear from one to the next).

You do realize how easy it is to craft a couple of sets of purple gear + a gold weapon if that is the route you want to go, right?

Fine, first rule is to restrict it to only 60 skill points. Second, only crafted gear, no reconstructed gear. Which would eliminate mythic gear, arena gear, monster sets, and DLC dungeon gear. After all, none of those things are available to legitimate U-50 players. Third, the gear must be crafted by that alternate. Yes, I realize your master crafter is currently making all gear now, but this is the trade-off for experience lock as you are trading experience for your ability to remain in a beginner zone indefinitely. Siege weapons? Nope, can't use any acquired by another character. Oh yeah, and your mount speed and stamina is locked to level 20 as players don't go out and buy max mount stats for their alternates in the crown store, simply to use until they get to Level 50 before re-rolling another alternate to play U-50, either. Got to keep it realistic for a U-50 campaign!

Hmm doesn't sound so fun now, does it. You know, because this isn't about going in with fully loaded skills, CP, and OP gear that is unavailable for the vast majority of those in the U-50 campaign....

mythic gear is already hard locked at cp160, there is no way to get it lower than that (that i know of)

stuff like mounts could be maxed out on a level 1 without buying anything, it would just take 6 months of camping a stablemaster and doing nothing with that toon other than logging in and doing mount training (as that offers no xp)

yeah its a lot of prep but possible lol

Spending 180 days (or real money) maxing out a mount for a sub-50 campaign isn't nearly as efficient/worthwhile when you're not going to stay in that campaign for very long (because of leveling).

definitely agree, i was merely outlining that it was technically possible for a lvl 1 character to have a maxed out, not that it made sense or practical thing to do lol

El_Borracho

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

PvXGamer wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

This would be awful. U50 would quickly fill up with level 40-somethings in optimized gold gear (and optimally leveled skills) that would crush anyone actually trying to level.

The best part about U50 BGs is that you can go into them and be reasonably competitive without an optimized build, while MMR eventually forces any max level character into a situation where they're overmatched if they don't start treating BGs like a job instead of a game.

Just keep rolling alts if you want to stay in sub-50 (and please don't hand down gear from one to the next).

You do realize how easy it is to craft a couple of sets of purple gear + a gold weapon if that is the route you want to go, right?

Fine, first rule is to restrict it to only 60 skill points. Second, only crafted gear, no reconstructed gear. Which would eliminate mythic gear, arena gear, monster sets, and DLC dungeon gear. After all, none of those things are available to legitimate U-50 players. Third, the gear must be crafted by that alternate. Yes, I realize your master crafter is currently making all gear now, but this is the trade-off for experience lock as you are trading experience for your ability to remain in a beginner zone indefinitely. Siege weapons? Nope, can't use any acquired by another character. Oh yeah, and your mount speed and stamina is locked to level 20 as players don't go out and buy max mount stats for their alternates in the crown store, simply to use until they get to Level 50 before re-rolling another alternate to play U-50, either. Got to keep it realistic for a U-50 campaign!

Hmm doesn't sound so fun now, does it. You know, because this isn't about going in with fully loaded skills, CP, and OP gear that is unavailable for the vast majority of those in the U-50 campaign....

mythic gear is already hard locked at cp160, there is no way to get it lower than that (that i know of)

stuff like mounts could be maxed out on a level 1 without buying anything, it would just take 6 months of camping a stablemaster and doing nothing with that toon other than logging in and doing mount training (as that offers no xp)

yeah its a lot of prep but possible lol

I know that about the mythics, just threw that in there

Of course you can max riding skills, but nobody would do that in reality. But I think you'd have to implement all of those things for a "fake" U-50 campaign to at least give noobs a chance. Otherwise, it turns into GTA with vets hunting down players still in the teens and twenties.

Necrotech_Master

El_Borracho wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

PvXGamer wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

This would be awful. U50 would quickly fill up with level 40-somethings in optimized gold gear (and optimally leveled skills) that would crush anyone actually trying to level.

The best part about U50 BGs is that you can go into them and be reasonably competitive without an optimized build, while MMR eventually forces any max level character into a situation where they're overmatched if they don't start treating BGs like a job instead of a game.

Just keep rolling alts if you want to stay in sub-50 (and please don't hand down gear from one to the next).

You do realize how easy it is to craft a couple of sets of purple gear + a gold weapon if that is the route you want to go, right?

Fine, first rule is to restrict it to only 60 skill points. Second, only crafted gear, no reconstructed gear. Which would eliminate mythic gear, arena gear, monster sets, and DLC dungeon gear. After all, none of those things are available to legitimate U-50 players. Third, the gear must be crafted by that alternate. Yes, I realize your master crafter is currently making all gear now, but this is the trade-off for experience lock as you are trading experience for your ability to remain in a beginner zone indefinitely. Siege weapons? Nope, can't use any acquired by another character. Oh yeah, and your mount speed and stamina is locked to level 20 as players don't go out and buy max mount stats for their alternates in the crown store, simply to use until they get to Level 50 before re-rolling another alternate to play U-50, either. Got to keep it realistic for a U-50 campaign!

Hmm doesn't sound so fun now, does it. You know, because this isn't about going in with fully loaded skills, CP, and OP gear that is unavailable for the vast majority of those in the U-50 campaign....

mythic gear is already hard locked at cp160, there is no way to get it lower than that (that i know of)

stuff like mounts could be maxed out on a level 1 without buying anything, it would just take 6 months of camping a stablemaster and doing nothing with that toon other than logging in and doing mount training (as that offers no xp)

yeah its a lot of prep but possible lol

I know that about the mythics, just threw that in there

Of course you can max riding skills, but nobody would do that in reality. But I think you'd have to implement all of those things for a "fake" U-50 campaign to at least give noobs a chance. Otherwise, it turns into GTA with vets hunting down players still in the teens and twenties.

realistically for "easier to balance" pvp fixed stuff is probably a way to go

for example no set gear period (as in ALL set bonuses do not apply, it would certainly be easier to figure out than the mess that is the no proc campaign where theres no clear indication of what works and what doesnt)

i do understand though that this would make certain sets with pvp-only procs (rallying cry and vicious death for example) completely useless if they did this on all campaigns, but something like this would certainly make more sense for something like under 50, or no proc (for simplification purposes)

PvXGamer

You have to remember that some folks do not want to level up. Some folks do not want to deal with the game post-level 50. That being said, if something like this were to be implemented, under 50 Cyrodiil would definitely need a map that has both no CP and no proc.

Xarc

-50 pvp should be only for new players and low cp players (under 1000 for exemple).

Experienced players killing people trying to learn pvp just because they have fun dominating people is just abominable.

Go to veteran campaign.

the1andonlyskwex

PvXGamer wrote: »

You have to remember that some folks do not want to level up. Some folks do not want to deal with the game post-level 50. That being said, if something like this were to be implemented, under 50 Cyrodiil would definitely need a map that has both no CP and no proc.

The problem is that an experience lock would just make lower levels seem/behave like level 50, because the only thing that really makes level 50 different is the fact that people stop gaining more levels and spend a lot of time there.

Didgerion

PvXGamer wrote: »

There is under 50 PvP, but it seems woefully underpopulated. Can we get an option to lock the experience gained for a character if we want? So that we can stop a character from leveling if we do not want it to.

The whole point of under 50 is to put new players there and let them learn fighting. Delaying experience will end up putting extremely experienced players to fight against new players... what is it that you want exactly? You wanna fight new players non stop?

Btw not only that campaign is having population problems, it is time for ZOS to make Cyrodiil more friendly for low pop situations. The map is clearly outdated.

dem0n1k

The first PVP guild I joined (2015) was in the Blackwater Blade campaign & it was exclusively an under50 training guild that picked up new players from zone & taught them the ropes of setting siege, which door/platform to hit, how to setup effective counter-siege... all that good stuff. They still run to this day & yes, the core players are all well experienced with ESO PVP.

I won't say that no one ever golded out their gear but it was very rare from what I saw. In all my years of playing there I only ever had one gold set item that i accidently upgraded to gold when crafting too quickly! I mostly went with purple crafted gear. These days with stickerbook & buy-able skill lines... it's not uncommon to see players running around with u50 monster sets & fully loaded mage/fighters guild skill lines.

Sure, there are quite a few players that have been in the u50 campaign for years that just like to beat up noobs, it happens. However, the core groups/guilds that play their regularly are really there to help new players. All 3 alliances have guilds that have played u50 campaign since it was Blackwater Blade & they re mostly a friendly bunch! We used to have annual Christmas tri-faction meetups where a truce would be called & we'd all meetup for screenshots & shenanagins.

To those who say that no one would bother pre-training their mount for an u50 character to ride fast in u50 campaign... I've lost count of how many characters I created, trained the ride speed to 60, leveled the character out in PVP & then deleted it at L50. 100s probably. To me, it's worth the effort of logging into the new char for a few mins to upgrade the ride speed. I know some players do not feel the same. ;D

Also some clarifications : you can't use your CP in the under50 campaign, so CP is irrelevant. That was changed around the time they made no-CP campaigns for Vet. In the old days... you could use CP in u50 & it was a frikn nightmare to face an Emperor with high CP enabled. *cough* Nigel the Great Blazing Shield Templar *cough* hahah!

El_Borracho

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

PvXGamer wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

This would be awful. U50 would quickly fill up with level 40-somethings in optimized gold gear (and optimally leveled skills) that would crush anyone actually trying to level.

The best part about U50 BGs is that you can go into them and be reasonably competitive without an optimized build, while MMR eventually forces any max level character into a situation where they're overmatched if they don't start treating BGs like a job instead of a game.

Just keep rolling alts if you want to stay in sub-50 (and please don't hand down gear from one to the next).

You do realize how easy it is to craft a couple of sets of purple gear + a gold weapon if that is the route you want to go, right?

Fine, first rule is to restrict it to only 60 skill points. Second, only crafted gear, no reconstructed gear. Which would eliminate mythic gear, arena gear, monster sets, and DLC dungeon gear. After all, none of those things are available to legitimate U-50 players. Third, the gear must be crafted by that alternate. Yes, I realize your master crafter is currently making all gear now, but this is the trade-off for experience lock as you are trading experience for your ability to remain in a beginner zone indefinitely. Siege weapons? Nope, can't use any acquired by another character. Oh yeah, and your mount speed and stamina is locked to level 20 as players don't go out and buy max mount stats for their alternates in the crown store, simply to use until they get to Level 50 before re-rolling another alternate to play U-50, either. Got to keep it realistic for a U-50 campaign!

Hmm doesn't sound so fun now, does it. You know, because this isn't about going in with fully loaded skills, CP, and OP gear that is unavailable for the vast majority of those in the U-50 campaign....

mythic gear is already hard locked at cp160, there is no way to get it lower than that (that i know of)

stuff like mounts could be maxed out on a level 1 without buying anything, it would just take 6 months of camping a stablemaster and doing nothing with that toon other than logging in and doing mount training (as that offers no xp)

yeah its a lot of prep but possible lol

I know that about the mythics, just threw that in there

Of course you can max riding skills, but nobody would do that in reality. But I think you'd have to implement all of those things for a "fake" U-50 campaign to at least give noobs a chance. Otherwise, it turns into GTA with vets hunting down players still in the teens and twenties.

realistically for "easier to balance" pvp fixed stuff is probably a way to go

for example no set gear period (as in ALL set bonuses do not apply, it would certainly be easier to figure out than the mess that is the no proc campaign where theres no clear indication of what works and what doesnt)

i do understand though that this would make certain sets with pvp-only procs (rallying cry and vicious death for example) completely useless if they did this on all campaigns, but something like this would certainly make more sense for something like under 50, or no proc (for simplification purposes)

Exactly. We have a no-CP campaign which essentially locks players to Level 50. Enabling those players to bring their gear sets, reconstructed to Level 50, into the actual U-50 campaign would be ruining the point of U-50. Which is why I'm leery of someone who wants to lock their XP to stay in the shallow end instead of playing in no-CP.

And again, not having fully loaded mount speed and stamina is a massive liability in Cyrodiil. Yes, I understand some players do waste actual, real-world money on doing this just to re-roll a character a few days later, but most in U-50 don't. Because most in U-50 are new to PVP or have a brand-new character that is levelling to play real PVP (or there for PVE skills like Vigor).

I'm all for a no-CP, no sets campaign. But I've heard nothing so far that changes my mind that XP lock is nothing more than wanting to kill noobs.

barney2525

Just put in a scroll that drops a character to level 20, including removing appropriate skill points, and let them spend the skill points left over, gear up and go forth.

Could make several tiers - 20 30 40

Xarc

dem0n1k wrote: »

Sure, there are quite a few players that have been in the u50 campaign for years that just like to beat up noobs, it happens. However, the core groups/guilds that play their regularly are really there to help new players. All 3 alliances have guilds that have played u50 campaign since it was Blackwater Blade & they re mostly a friendly bunch! We used to have annual Christmas tri-faction meetups where a truce would be called & we'd all meetup for screenshots & shenanagins.

I don't know if you're speaking about NA or EU but i played many years in -50 EU and it's been a longtime since theses guilds are off. Nobody is playing here anymore anyway.