People who take forever and a day to play a single turn...

Austacker

I hate you all.

That's all I can say.

I appreciate some people are new and others need time to plan a play, but too many of you just take so long to take a turn (especially in the early game) it's maddening...

Especially in the early game or when you don't have enough coin to buy anything or do anything more, you're just sitting there picking your nose.

It's one of the leading reasons now that I have my achieve for 100 played ranked games I don't bother with ranked anymore.

Urgh

merpins

In TESL, you'd find people that wait out the clock to try to get people to concede. I don't think that's the case here due to a penalty for conceding, though.

EnerG

I love TOT, never had anyone run the clock every turn, but i make my plans quick, and it changes with the enemys actions per their turn.

Not everyone plays fast like me but ohhhhhhmygodhurryup 😹

DinoZavr

@merpins deserter penalty is per character, not per account, so slowpoke can just switch toons and continue mocking others.

Brrrofski

This is why I hate any turn based game. I mean, it's on me as I have zero patience haha.

Lady_Galadhiel

Play against NPCs, problem solved.

Skvysh

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

Play against NPCs, problem solved.

Seeing NPCs play one card at a time with such huge delays between actions, also being unable to interact with half of the game's features while your opponent's deck is being shuffled is sometimes more painful than waiting for a real person to execute their turn.

Lady_Galadhiel

Skvysh wrote: »

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

Play against NPCs, problem solved.

Seeing NPCs play one card at a time with such huge delays between actions, also being unable to interact with half of the game's features while your opponent's deck is being shuffled is sometimes more painful than waiting for a real person to execute their turn.

Most matches against NPC's take less than 5 minutes while against other players it takes easily from 10 to 15 minutes, sometimes even 25 ( yes it happend to me).
If someone plays for fun it should not matter how long a match takes but for leveling up and collecting reward boxes efficiently it is better to play against NPC's,in my opinion.
I currently try to get all card clues and I only play from an hour to 90 minutes a day including crafting on several character but am able to do 6 or 7 card matches a day.

SilverBride

I've run into a few players who turn the hourglass on every single play. I don't get what they are doing that takes so long.

Anne13

Haha I was just going to write a post about this exact subject!
I play pretty fast my turns. Unless the games gone on and I have built big combos.
But yeah I have encountered far too many players who are slow. Just sit there with 1 gold 1 power after taking their turn.
This is what people in todays society are like! They do it like it was said above to make me forfeit or just to be an annoyance!
Sad but true
On one hand I wish the timer was shorter for those kind of people.
But on the other hand. Many times despite being fast I don’t have the time to bang out and finish a huge combo.

I’m sure there are also a few who genuinely are slow due to reading and learning the cards. Although I’ve been max level for awhile now and should be matched with the same level. Therefor they should have already learned by then. Hmm

RedTalon

merpins wrote: »

In TESL, you'd find people that wait out the clock to try to get people to concede. I don't think that's the case here due to a penalty for conceding, though.

Depends on how long you wait to give up, apart from losing 100 points in ranked matches, if tjhey make someone waiot to long you can give it up and just jump back in right away, also the longest match I gave up cause was going no where and still got a lost pack, was about 30 mins and was causal on that one,

NeKryXe

merpins wrote: »

In TESL, you'd find people that wait out the clock to try to get people to concede. I don't think that's the case here due to a penalty for conceding, though.

Really? !0 minutes penalty? That's nothing. It should be 24 hours account wide.

SilverBride

Why should there be a penalty for a player not wanting to sit through a game with a passive aggressive opponent?

Luke_Flamesword

My last match was with someone who literally takes 30 seconds before doing anything and then 5-10 seconds between clicking every 1 gold card... It was like torture... Luckily it happened only once for me but I played only 30 matches with players so far. I think that this person had some disabilities or it was made at purpose just to win by forcing me to loose patient and give up.

El_Borracho

SilverBride wrote: »

Why should there be a penalty for a player not wanting to sit through a game with a passive aggressive opponent?

I was thinking the same thing this weekend. Had someone who ran the clock out on every turn. Even in the end, when it was clear that they were going to win. I got so frustrated I let them run their turn out then conceded.

I am fine with losing and I am opposed to conceding a match just because you are losing, but intentional slow play is bad sportsmanship. In my eyes, they earned the concede. This isn't the World Series of Poker, its ESO

MJ202

As far as I know there are no bonus points for playing faster than other players. Each turn is limited to 90 seconds max. They are entitled to make full use of the whole 90 seconds if they do choose.

SilverBride

MJ202 wrote: »

As far as I know there are no bonus points for playing faster than other players. Each turn is limited to 90 seconds max. They are entitled to make full use of the whole 90 seconds if they do choose.

They can but when they take the full 90 seconds every turn it is obvious that they are doing so just to aggravate the other player.

Austacker

MJ202 wrote: »

As far as I know there are no bonus points for playing faster than other players. Each turn is limited to 90 seconds max. They are entitled to make full use of the whole 90 seconds if they do choose.

It's not a technical discussion as one of simple consideration and etiquette

I appreciate that some turns require more thought than others, especially in ranked, especially leading into the end game.

This is more about discussing play that's obvious and limited, but is drawn out deliberately to frustrate the other player into conceding early.

notyuu

I only run the clock on every turn if my oppent picks the sorc king deck, becasue if i'm not allowed to have fun then neaither are you.

SilverBride

Why not just get it over? Or better yet, try to use their Orgnum deck against them.

El_Borracho

Austacker wrote: »

MJ202 wrote: »

As far as I know there are no bonus points for playing faster than other players. Each turn is limited to 90 seconds max. They are entitled to make full use of the whole 90 seconds if they do choose.

It's not a technical discussion as one of simple consideration and etiquette

I appreciate that some turns require more thought than others, especially in ranked, especially leading into the end game.

This is more about discussing play that's obvious and limited, but is drawn out deliberately to frustrate the other player into conceding early.

Exactly. While @MJ202 is correct that there is no bonus for playing faster, there is no legitimate reason to take 90 second on every single turn. Not every single turn requires the full 90 seconds, ESPECIALLY the first 2-3 rounds. There's no combos to be had that early, not enough coin to determine if you want to spend it on 2 smaller cards or one expensive one, and not enough power to spend on patrons. Most of it is dumping the single coin card for the double. If you take 90 seconds to do that, its intentional slow play for whatever reason, either strategic or just to be passive aggressive.

spartaxoxo

I made a separate thread about their patch speed, but I think this video is a good example of what you mean here too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwGqn7MnWRQ

It's pretty obvious some people are using it as a way to try and force their opponent to concede.

And here's another example I meant to upload a while back. Just got around to it.

https://youtu.be/TGc6sLa1uh4

jowv

I admit, I play quite slowly - my brain just doesn’t work that quickly, compared to many others, (one reason why I can’t play PvP content, I get slaughtered) and I like to be thorough in my decisions.
We have a time limit and I try to play as fast as I can, and never deliberately delay the game. That said, some people are truly toxic and will send rude messages to get me to speed up - honest truth is I can’t.
PvP ToT turns are timed, if people want to use the allotted time, I have no problem with it, but some people just seem to be in one big rush.

SilverBride

@jowv

It's not a matter of being in a rush. It's a matter of not having an unpleasant experience. Just sitting and doing nothing while waiting to play is very tedious and boring and can even create anxiety.

jowv

@SilverBride
Not sure I’m ever doing ‘nothing’. While I’m not playing my hand, I’m looking at my deck, draw pile and cool downs, watching my opponents play, and working out possible options for my next play. There’s quite a lot to do. Certainly not boring.
The NPC’s play hands quickly, and the current update make NPC contests a little more challenging, a change which I will welcome. Maybe stick to them matches - the rewards always seem to be better too. I always get complete trash off the PvP rewards and they are much harder to win, especially in Rubedite.

SilverBride

jowv wrote: »

@SilverBride
Not sure I’m ever doing ‘nothing’. While I’m not playing my hand, I’m looking at my deck, draw pile and cool downs, watching my opponents play, and working out possible options for my next play. There’s quite a lot to do.

I do that too, but that only takes a few seconds, then I have to sit there and wait, turn after turn. I've had opponents play all their cards and use all their coins and still not end their turn until the last second.

I'm just trying to offer some insight on why it is very difficult for many of us to play slow matches like that.

Calastir

With the rng always stacked against me in favor of my opponents, triggering a concede is often the only chance I've got at winning. Or else I'd lose all my progress.

loosej

Turn timers should start at 30 seconds and increase over time, especially in ranked where you would assume both players are at least somewhat familiar with the game. There's not a single combination of cards that would make someone need 90 seconds to get through turn 1 and 2.

LukosCreyden

In the early game, I am thinking about if I want THAT card and what card might appear next for my opponent to buy, but that doesn'treally take long at all. In the mid to late game, I am being nosey and looking at mine and my opponent's deck and discard pile and planning my move based off that, which may take a little longer.

Some people really do just sit on their turn and do nothing though. You can't make.me concede. I am patient. Very, very patient.

Calastir

Either way when I'm about to rage quit, the best revenge is wasting my opponent's time.

Personofsecrets

I once had an opponent tell me that they were using the time up because they liked to watch me struggle.

Since then, we both play out every turn to the full time and they have gotten spanked in 80% of the games we play. This is someone who consistently finishes in the top 5 of the seasons that they participate in.

This dynamic is the type of thing that happens when bad actors don't get punished even when admitting to the act of griefing and a game is designed in such a way that someone can offset their lack of skill (often something that accompanies a bad attitude), by just playing more games.

And because I'm in a guild where we discuss who we are getting griefed by, I know that they have griefed other players too.

The lessons from this all are that a number of players do get to harass others and that game design which priviliges number of games over goodness of games directly appeals to those of poor mindest.