How evil do you consider Namira? (Daedric Prince)

Grandchamp1989

Reach mythology greatly expanded some of the ideas of Daedric Princes like Hircine and Namira.

From what I can tell Namira is like a Black hole? All consuming darkness.

Dro-mathra and Voidmothers seem to be connected with her.
Massively corrupted versions of their original beings.

She represent the repulsive, decay and true darkness.

Namira prays on misfortune of others with pride and hatefulness being something she can use.

Namira is considered in reach culture as being part of endings and rebirth.

Im not sure we are talking rebirth in the traditional sense though, but maybe more of a corruption as those touched by her are rarely… the same.

How evil do you consider the entity of Namira to be based off of the mortal concept of morality?

Depiction of Namira in Elder Scrolls Online

RedTalon

3. Slightly evil

Her followers eat people so evilish, but at the same time she is the most accepting of the princes no matter who you are you have aplace at her table

Grandchamp1989

1. Pure evil, stay far away

RedTalon wrote: »

Her followers eat people so evilish, but at the same time she is the most accepting of the princes no matter who you are you have aplace at her table

Or…ON her table.. yikes.

BretonMage

2. Very evil, approach Namira at your own risk

RedTalon wrote: »

Her followers eat people so evilish, but at the same time she is the most accepting of the princes no matter who you are you have aplace at her table

I mean, if you're morally good, you will likely be the meal, so I guess you're not wrong.

RedTalon

3. Slightly evil

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

RedTalon wrote: »

Her followers eat people so evilish, but at the same time she is the most accepting of the princes no matter who you are you have aplace at her table

Or…ON her table.. yikes.

Hey its still a place.

Aliyavana

2. Very evil, approach Namira at your own risk

Evil but not the the extent of bal and dagon

rpa

Very good, mortals should embrace her

She's a daedric prince, her nature is what it is. Ring of Namira (Skyrim) is delicious.

RedTalon

3. Slightly evil

BretonMage wrote: »

RedTalon wrote: »

Her followers eat people so evilish, but at the same time she is the most accepting of the princes no matter who you are you have aplace at her table

I mean, if you're morally good, you will likely be the meal, so I guess you're not wrong.

Well the priest in skyrim was greedy and clearly in the grey, him getting eaten oddly was fitting end for someone who likely stole from the dead. that meal was carefully selected for a few reasons

Arwin

Extremely good, mortals should actively seek her out

No significant interest in cannibalism from me, but the Void has unlimited potential. In a way she is both the best and the worst possible. Not unlike Sithis.

starlizard70ub17_ESO

Morally neutral in every sense of the word

rpa wrote: »

She's a daedric prince, her nature is what it is. Ring of Namira (Skyrim) is delicious.

Exactly this ^, daedric princes have evolved for lack of a better word, beyond the mortal concept of good and evil. If they have morals at all, mortals certainly can't understand them.

Now from our view the actions of the princes and their followers can be seen as mostly good or evil. But the princes are mostly in it for themselves, ideals like good or evil aren't even an after thought.

Michae

2. Very evil, approach Namira at your own risk

My choice is due to the corrupting nature of her influence. She doesn't take the number one spot because she's no schemer, but the fact that she revels in misery and decay makes her quite evil in my book. Although I wouldn't get that hung up on the cannibalism. The Bosmer do this and they are a jolly bunch, so it can't be that bad.

RaddlemanNumber7

Morally neutral in every sense of the word

Daedric Princes are there to test mortals. Namira reflects the evil that is already within the heart of each mortal.

Remember TESVI Skull of Corruption? It gave mortals the opportunity to face their own evil.

Danikat

2. Very evil, approach Namira at your own risk

It's the same as the recent topic about Azura: human morality (especially real-life versions) do not apply to daedric princes, they simply don't think like that and our concepts of good and evil don't mean anything to them.

Having said that I think Namira is one of the more dangerous princes for mortals to get involved with. There's no question that she will corrupt you, it's simply a matter of when and what shape (both mental and physical) you'll be in when she's done with you.

Her actions would be considered both evil and dangerous by the majority of mortals on Nirn, but even so I wouldn't say she's acting out of evil intent. As someone else said she's not a schemer and generally doesn't seem to care about mortals at all, but when she does she sees them purely as tools to use for her own benefit.

It's like a person training and cutting shrubs into hedges or topiary. They're not doing it to torture the plants, they simply find them more useful and beautiful in their new shape and don't care at all what shape the shurb wanted to be or even recognise that it could have an opinion in the matter.

spartaxoxo

1. Pure evil, stay far away

She's one of the most corrupt of the Daedric Princes.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Morally neutral in every sense of the word

Like all princes she is beyond the mortal concept of morality and is neither good nor evil.

These polls keep appearing with no good poll option.

spartaxoxo

1. Pure evil, stay far away

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Like all princes she is beyond the mortal concept of morality and is neither good nor evil.

These polls keep appearing with no good poll option.

I mean, the poll explicitly asks how evil do you consider her from a mortal POV. So, it's not asking about the nature of Daedric princes. It's instead asking about how mortals ought to view her. Which is a different question.

ghastley

Morally neutral in every sense of the word

One word. Recycling.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Morally neutral in every sense of the word

spartaxoxo wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Like all princes she is beyond the mortal concept of morality and is neither good nor evil.

These polls keep appearing with no good poll option.

I mean, the poll explicitly asks how evil do you consider her from a mortal POV. So, it's not asking about the nature of Daedric princes. It's instead asking about how mortals ought to view her. Which is a different question.

I'm just a bit tired of these polls. And mortals views of her varies from culture to culture, and individuals.

TaSheen

My characters don't think about the princes at all - and I'm pretty tired of polls that don't have an "other" option.

Tryxus

1. Pure evil, stay far away

Namira, whose sphere is the ancient Darkness; known as the Spirit Daedra, ruler of sundry dark and shadowy spirits; associated with spiders,...

Normally I don't call Daedric Princes good or evil, since those concepts don't apply to them. But associating yourself with the ultimate evil... Yes, she's definitely evil

Master_Fluff

Extremely good, mortals should actively seek her out

I chose the last option because it would be hilarious if an NPC actually said that to us.

emilyhyoyeon

Based on my knowledge of her before Skyrim as in pre 2011 (so for me basically just what I got of her from Oblivion), I would've said neutral. I understood her as basically the patron deity of undesirable/gross-ness, a deity for people shunned by society for not necessarily heinously gross things (ex active cannibalism), but instead for things like being physically repulsive or weird. What I understand of her from Skyrim and ESO content is definitely more on the evil side.

I don't really wanna say pure evil because I consider a deity like Molag Bal to be on that level, and I don't know if I would put them on the same level. I think Molag Bal is the only daedric prince that I would put on that level.

AvalonRanger

3. Slightly evil

Not good guy, but other daedric prince is far more dangerous.
My image of Namira is kind of cult leader, but not invader.

By the way, I love these thread as one of Elder Scrolls fan.

Nightowl_74

Morally neutral in every sense of the word

I would say neutral. You wouldn't want to attract Namira's attention, any more or less than the other Daedric princes, but it seems to me she's closer to a force of nature than most and not associated with anything inherently evil. Disease, decay, insects and cannibalism are just repulsive to varying degrees and mortality is frightening.

BretonMage

2. Very evil, approach Namira at your own risk

RedTalon wrote: »

BretonMage wrote: »

RedTalon wrote: »

Her followers eat people so evilish, but at the same time she is the most accepting of the princes no matter who you are you have aplace at her table

I mean, if you're morally good, you will likely be the meal, so I guess you're not wrong.

Well the priest in skyrim was greedy and clearly in the grey, him getting eaten oddly was fitting end for someone who likely stole from the dead. that meal was carefully selected for a few reasons

I don't know why you think he "likely stole from the dead", but for argument's sake, even if he did, theft does not deserve the punishment of being eaten or killed.

Also, she may welcome the worship of the repulsive and the miserable, but you know she doesn't do it out of pity or because she's an accepting daedra, right? She does it because, as the daedric prince of darkness and decay, she revels in misery and revulsion.

Mascen

2. Very evil, approach Namira at your own risk

I don't care how much the Markarth DLC attempted to whitewash her or what the Bosmer do, eating people man, mer, or beastfolk is evil.

YandereGirlfriend

Extremely good, mortals should actively seek her out

rpa wrote: »

She's a daedric prince, her nature is what it is. Ring of Namira (Skyrim) is delicious.

So much this! Even my goodie two-shoes characters almost always end up corrupted, mwahaha.

Belyar

2. Very evil, approach Namira at your own risk

by human standards she's evil so I voted that. By daedra prince standards she's on the milder side of the spectrum.

Kirawolfe

Extremely good, mortals should actively seek her out

I am not a cultist.

Vulkunne

1. Pure evil, stay far away

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

Reach mythology greatly expanded some of the ideas of Daedric Princes like Hircine and Namira.

From what I can tell Namira is like a Black hole? All consuming darkness.

Dro-mathra and Voidmothers seem to be connected with her.
Massively corrupted versions of their original beings.

She represent the repulsive, decay and true darkness.

Namira prays on misfortune of others with pride and hatefulness being something she can use.

Namira is considered in reach culture as being part of endings and rebirth.

Im not sure we are talking rebirth in the traditional sense though, but maybe more of a corruption as those touched by her are rarely… the same.

How evil do you consider the entity of Namira to be based off of the mortal concept of morality?

Depiction of Namira in Elder Scrolls Online

As far as other Daedra are concerned, Namira might be better understood. As for as people are concerned, she seems too evil towards people (on another level) to make dealing with her not worth the risk.

This_0ne

Morally neutral in every sense of the word

well in my headcannon Namira is a Sithis wife and true voise of Night Mother. They absolutly look like Sithis who is not a just void and nothing, both of them is a begining and the end, natural alteration of everything, cycle.