Don't release update 35 please zos

geekboy09

It is doing more harm to the game than good, and it is alienating half the playerbase. Craglorn has been dead partly due to the update 35 preview. Find a different way to implement the inclusivity vision. Alienating the endgame playerbase is not being inclusive. Nefasq from ESO university had spoken on this very issue last night on his stream on this that update 35 is basically saying ''thanks for your time, but we no longer need you guys. We are catering to the casuals from this point forward.'' This isn't a good look zos. Rethink your plans please

biovitalb16_ESO

Go watch his new video today. He basically says everyone is screwed with Update 35.

I'm thinking its time for a new game cause this one looks like its going down the toilet with this update. Thankfully Path of Exile 2 is getting closer.

geekboy09

biovitalb16_ESO wrote: »

Go watch his new video today. He basically says everyone is screwed with Update 35.

I'm thinking its time for a new game cause this one looks like its going down the toilet with this update. Thankfully Path of Exile 2 is getting closer.

Honestly, this has been my main game since 2018. Are they trying to kill this game? I hope the backlash will change their toon.

Elsonso

biovitalb16_ESO wrote: »

Go watch his new video today. He basically says everyone is screwed with Update 35.

I'm thinking its time for a new game cause this one looks like its going down the toilet with this update. Thankfully Path of Exile 2 is getting closer.

As I recall, he said that experienced endgame players were going to be fine. They will adapt.

Aside: This may indicate a blind spot at ZOS, since people like Gilliam are experienced endgame players, so they go in, adapt to changes, and do just fine with these changes.

The video basically predicts that everyone else will suffer. I am not sure I completely agree, but I don't think he is far from the mark. New players who start after Update 35 will do just fine, too.

The most damning thing that I heard him say, and something I immediately noticed when I was on PTS, no Trial required, is that combat on PTS feels "less engaging".

Maybe ZOS needs to get some really low end players to test changes for 80 hours and watch as they attempt to adapt. These players probably never get on PTS. PTS is far too late for this sort of testing, anyway. This sort of testing needs to be done at the conceptual level, not the pre-release level.

geekboy09

Elsonso wrote: »

biovitalb16_ESO wrote: »

Go watch his new video today. He basically says everyone is screwed with Update 35.

I'm thinking its time for a new game cause this one looks like its going down the toilet with this update. Thankfully Path of Exile 2 is getting closer.

As I recall, he said that experienced endgame players were going to be fine. They will adapt.

Aside: This may indicate a blind spot at ZOS, since people like Gilliam are experienced endgame players, so they go in, adapt to changes, and do just fine with these changes.

The video basically predicts that everyone else will suffer. I am not sure I completely agree, but I don't think he is far from the mark. New players who start after Update 35 will do just fine, too.

The most damning thing that I heard him say, and something I immediately noticed when I was on PTS, no Trial required, is that combat on PTS feels "less engaging".

Maybe ZOS needs to get some really low end players to test changes for 80 hours and watch as they attempt to adapt. These players probably never get on PTS. PTS is far too late for this sort of testing, anyway. This sort of testing needs to be done at the conceptual level, not the pre-release level.

Thats why they need to delay the patch

MidniteOwl1913

What I don't understand is why. What is so compelling about reducing "damage bloat" (their words not mine) that they are willing to ruin the fun of the game? And at this point, it must be clear to them that it in no way will help average players do more vet content. So why?

And if they feel they just must, why the nuclear nerf? Literally *everything* is getting hit this time. There will be no place to hide. So WHY?

LaerothKeykalyn

NO! Release pls! Update 35 is top! [snip]

[edited for baiting]

geekboy09

LeBrenn wrote: »

Elfdominion4 wrote: »

NO! Release pls! Update 35 is top! [snip]

[snip]

I agree

[edited to remove quote]

mavfin

Yes, ZOS, do please release Update 35. Thanks.

Nomadic_Atmoran

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

What I don't understand is why. What is so compelling about reducing "damage bloat" (their words not mine) that they are willing to ruin the fun of the game? And at this point, it must be clear to them that it in no way will help average players do more vet content. So why?

And if they feel they just must, why the nuclear nerf? Literally *everything* is getting hit this time. There will be no place to hide. So WHY?

ZOS has been leaning more and more into F2P monetization tactics for a while. [snip] Since ZOS operates a B2P model they cant really outright offer powerful items for direct cash because it would likely alienate their base. [snip]

[edited for bashing]

JustAGoodPlayer

I do not think about "self proclaimed eletist" - that they are some exped players. They are not much better than casuals.

That some group by crying on forums just make balance good just for them - not make exp or some thing special.

But current balance is really bad. The same time "groups of eletists" do not let make game better.

So we have options - they stop think about themselves as a some special group of players and start to think how is better for the game, or just destroy any balance they are comfortable with - for 1-2 updates, they "self importantly leave the game" and for next 3-4 years may be it will be possible to make some good balance. But will some one wait for such long ?

Jaimeh

Elsonso wrote: »

The most damning thing that I heard him say, and something I immediately noticed when I was on PTS, no Trial required, is that combat on PTS feels "less engaging".

This is my biggest issue with the next update: the combat feels plain awful. I don't mind power nerfs (though I do think they have to rethink 2 second DOT ticks, they are inconsistent with basically every skill and gear set in the game, their animations will have to change to reflect the 'burst' phase of the DOT, and they will cause a lot of issues with pve healing in particular), but I do mind when the core combat mechanics change and become worse, since I enjoy this game because of its combat. They should revert the dot durations, and 2 sec ticks, and just nerf healing in pvp (which is one of the reasons this is happening) via battle spirit.

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jtm1018

Do players want update 35, I for one dont want it.

does zos give a (insert your favorite hate term here), no they dont.

For me weaving is an art, it seperates the good player from the great player.

I am a mediocre player, I admire great players that can do 100k parse on test dummies.

I am happy I can do half that dps, tyvm for the oakensoul mythic item, another source of my disdain.

but will I keep playing eso, yes of course, until I find something better, cough'ragnarok'cough.

just saying.

Elsonso

Jaimeh wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

The most damning thing that I heard him say, and something I immediately noticed when I was on PTS, no Trial required, is that combat on PTS feels "less engaging".

This is my biggest issue with the next update: the combat feels plain awful. I don't mind power nerfs (though I do think they have to rethink 2 second DOT ticks, they are inconsistent with basically every skill and gear set in the game, their animations will have to change to reflect the 'burst' phase of the DOT, and they will cause a lot of issues with pve healing in particular), but I do mind when the core combat mechanics change and become worse, since I enjoy this game because of its combat. They should revert the dot durations, and 2 sec ticks, and just nerf healing in pvp (which is one of the reasons this is happening) via battle spirit.

I don't know what they have planned for the remainder of PTS, but I agree with everyone who says they are invested enough with these combat changes that this is a hill they are willing to die on.

I have to decide how to proceed, since there are just a few scant weeks until this thing hits Live. With Update 33, it was just a matter of going through all of my Alts and cleaning them up and prepping them for deletion. That had to be done before the Update went live. With this Update, I am not required to do things before it goes Live, but I might want to. I am thinking that I need to go do a LOT of content in the next few weeks while I still feel like my character is powerful and effective in the world.

I still don't know if I want to adapt to these changes, but it can't hurt to work through my combat bucket list now.

JustAGoodPlayer

It is too many code mistakes now. A lot of skills and sets work with mistakes.

The same time balance feel bad. Dots with more than 14 seconds duration feels bad. And on DK i have now 24 second dots ... .

14 second dots are good - it is good time !

I do not need 12/16/18/20 second dots.

Now (on live) all is OK with dots ! And BAD on PTS.

And all other changes are bad too.

So for now we need to see what will be in todays patch note and base our actions on it.

Do not be to dissapointed, it did not yet enter live and i hope will not.

But with such changes for last 3 years, that you read each update PTS natch potes with dissapoitment and see how far away from the game combat team is ... .

Can we pls have better one ?

runningtings

There have always been changes in ESO over the years and despite all the whining players will adapt. It's always the same.

kieso

You're in luck, they aren't releasing as is and want feedback.

Constructive feedback.

geekboy09

To think, i'm playing a flawed and not so populated game New World again because despite all the flaws, the devs of New World is actually listening to feedback. The tweet yesterday that said ''We are making some adjustments due to your constructive feedback'' tells me ''yeah, we might change minor things, but not much is going to change''

Mackinsar

ZOS, why are you trying to kill this game? Update 35 as is will alienate your core player base. I’m a core user, am well over CP 2000 and am horrified by what you propose to do. On top of the huge Champion Point nerf in 2.0, which took away all rewards for playing and gaining CP, now you are going to nerf everything else, including light and heavy attacks that we depend upon, as well as effectively destroying werewolves and making them useless? And this on top of the unannounced stealth nerf of Warfare CP? I have no idea who has made these bad decisions or why, but you could not do more to alienate your core player base than Update 35. It goes beyond appalling all the way to bring an atrocity.

Please do not implement Update 35 - now or ever.

On top of that, it seems like every new patch cycle you have to try to redo combat completely. I don’t know if you keep putting a different person in charge with a different vision or you only have one person in charge who can’t figure out what to do, but I can tell you what to do: LEAVE THE GAME ALONE. No more nerfs. You want to add things, great. We could use new classes and new skills. BUT STOP NERFING YOUR PLAYER BASE. It’s killing us and in the end it will be hurting you.

If you want us to go elsewhere, if this is your secret plan to lighten server load, then you’re doing what you want to be doing. Otherwise you’re making a huge mistake that is alienating and is going to run off the very people whom you need to keep.

STOP UPDATE 35!

shadyjane62

runningtings wrote: »

There have always been changes in ESO over the years and despite all the whining players will adapt. It's always the same.

Not this time.

geekboy09

Mackinsar wrote: »

ZOS, why are you trying to kill this game? Update 35 as is will alienate your core player base. I’m a core user, am well over CP 2000 and am horrified by what you propose to do. On top of the huge Champion Point nerf in 2.0, which took away all rewards for playing and gaining CP, now you are going to nerf everything else, including light and heavy attacks that we depend upon, as well as effectively destroying werewolves and making them useless? And this on top of the unannounced stealth nerf of Warfare CP? I have no idea who has made these bad decisions or why, but you could not do more to alienate your core player base than Update 35. It goes beyond appalling all the way to bring an atrocity.

Please do not implement Update 35 - now or ever.

On top of that, it seems like every new patch cycle you have to try to redo combat completely. I don’t know if you keep putting a different person in charge with a different vision or you only have one person in charge who can’t figure out what to do, but I can tell you what to do: LEAVE THE GAME ALONE. No more nerfs. You want to add things, great. We could use new classes and new skills. BUT STOP NERFING YOUR PLAYER BASE. It’s killing us and in the end it will be hurting you.

If you want us to go elsewhere, if this is your secret plan to lighten server load, then you’re doing what you want to be doing. Otherwise you’re making a huge mistake that is alienating and is going to run off the very people whom you need to keep.

STOP UPDATE 35!

They are catering to mostly housing people now. Its time to move on.

TaSheen

No, housing isn't getting what it needs most: larger furnishing limits. That's a totally silly reaction.

mavfin

Please get U35 on the live servers, so we can go back to playing. Move!

geekboy09

mavfin wrote: »

Please get U35 on the live servers, so we can go back to playing. Move!

You really want them to release a patch that will drive half the community away?

barney2525

JustAGoodPlayer wrote: »

It is too many code mistakes now. A lot of skills and sets work with mistakes.

The same time balance feel bad. Dots with more than 14 seconds duration feels bad. And on DK i have now 24 second dots ... .

14 second dots are good - it is good time !

I do not need 12/16/18/20 second dots.

Now (on live) all is OK with dots ! And BAD on PTS.

And all other changes are bad too.

So for now we need to see what will be in todays patch note and base our actions on it.

Do not be to dissapointed, it did not yet enter live and i hope will not.

But with such changes for last 3 years, that you read each update PTS natch potes with dissapoitment and see how far away from the game combat team is ... .

Can we pls have better one ?

I don't get the complaint. You say you don't Want increased DOT time .... based on how much damage you can do in game TODAY. You are Not taking into account the Reduced damage per hit of 3.5.

With the damage Nerf, and the Current DOT time, you would be screaming for Zos to Extend the DOTs timers.

cptscotty

Really do wish they would nerf even more. Way more. Then raise the damage of all adds and bosses. The game is just way too easy to begin with. Creates a system where it will eventually run out of control and later content will be too difficult and thus create a gap.

StamPlar_1976

Release it ZOS. Do it now!!!! Keep making these horrible decisions that anger the player base so that I can get my forum entertainment lol.

cptscotty

How is it a horrible decision? Why are people continuously ignoring the problems with this game and how everyone is way too overpowered? I can go join a dungeon right now after taking off all my gear and CP...and still complete it no problem while pressing only one button. Thats a pretty big problem for a game. That shouldnt be able to happen at all. Nerf the damage into the ground and raise the damage output of all NPCs.

It would be the start of fixing so many issues people complain about and it would keep people interested in the game to fill in the spots of people who eventually leave for whatever reason.

StamPlar_1976

cptscotty wrote: »

angry rant

/popcorn

SpacemanSpiff1

i hope they do release the update as is. i wanna see what happens.