ESO changes

Asdara

You never know when something gonna hit you in the face and destroy all the effort you did in the past month.
[snip]
And we believe that if we stick it out, things might change.
I've been farming sets for weeks now, practiced weaving for hours, and you say that was for nothing?
I don't know what to play now?
I feel [snip] betrayed.

And look at this kind of reaction!
They ask for trust?
You don't ask for trust! you earn it!
And that's really not the case, you change the entire game every 2 month.



[edited for bashing]

drsalvation

I actually became a casual after so many years. Made up a witcher build for fun, and no way in hell I'd ever start grinding for mythics or even try to min/max a build until they make things more engaging.

There's no point to it anyway, if you want story content to be better and challenging, just unequip all gear, so yeah, no point on any of that.

I already cancelled my ESO+ membership, I have no need for crafting anymore. But if they keep pandering to DPS and make tanking worse than it already is, I might just quit this game for good.

pklemming

Never seen a title sum up this game more appropriately.

colossalvoids

*driving into bottomless pit for a thousand time*
- "Bro just trust me".

Jokes aside at least at a point it gives a sense of absence and making careless about project you was passionate about. As some people joked around this time it's a good patch because irl/other games will get more time from now on, let them ride with their target audience for some time.

Aetherderius

Wow! What the hell?! What a horrible comparison to a video game changing a few things!

pklemming

The whole cycle accurately represent this.. from experience

ADarklore

I'm just glad this fall so many new games are coming out. Gotham Knights, Midnight Suns, and Hogwarts Legacy. In fact, I've already been spending most of my time over at DCUO, which I haven't played in years, so I have plenty to catch up on. These changes just reinforce the decision to step away... again. Most of these changes were NOT needed, but they insist on repeating the same pendulum cycle of extreme swings back and forth... and wonder why people get frustrated and upset. Many of these changes were NOT needed, nor wanted... but here we are.

Oh, and as for Rich saying, "... a little trust"... seriously? Many of us have been playing this game for YEARS, the trust was burned long ago. Trust is EARNED, and ESO has not earned back what was lost long ago IMO.

iaminc

Trust is earned Rich.

Right now the community is pretty united in its opinion of ZoS and ESO.

For 2 years now you’ve changed things drastically every other month, we are tired of grinding our sets , gear , points etc for our builds just to have them made obsolete 8 weeks later.

There’s also the whole using mythic items to sell dlc just to nerf them as soon as you need to drop another expansion , the current oakensoul one coming just 2 months after release is a joke and blatant scamming of players who PAID because this ring was gonna help them tremendously.

Trust you say , laugh out loud I say.

JustAGoodPlayer

They make each update worse than before for last 3 years.

You think - it is not possible to make worse ! But they do ! It is hard, but with some magick each update make the game worse.

Lebkuchen

Asdara wrote: »

You don't ask for trust! you earn it!

iaminc wrote: »

Right now the community is pretty united in its opinion of ZoS and ESO.

Yes, and yes!

I do not really care about gaming companies trying to make money with DLCs and "pay to win" at the moment. It is normal. We will not be able to change that here. Lawyers and courts will have to do that for us.

But i do care about open communication, honesty and respect. The way customers have been treated and silenced by this company is questionable and has to change. Yes!

Danikat

If you really feel that way then you should stop playing, or at least cut it down to the activities which don't make you feel like you're being abused.

It's a game, the point is to have fun. If it's not fun then don't do it.

xgoku1

Please don't trivialize actual abusive relationships. It's a video game, noone's forcing you to play it.

Rich Lambert was right to call out the knee-jerk reactions. He posted this after the Combat Preview where all we knew was that the overall DPS would drop by 6-11% - that was enough for ESO Influencers to make videos with open-mouth thumbnails, and people to wildly speculate about how "ESO is dead for realsies this time, you guys".

Yes, he sounds smarmy and the trust comment is a bit laughable with the constant changes ESO makes. But he isn't wrong to say people don't have the full context.

If anything it just goes to show how pointless the Combat Preview posts are. They are released one week before the actual PTS, there's no hard numbers. Instead of generating hype, they only create drama.

SpacemanSpiff1

Where's the trust?

UnkindnessOfRavens

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

Where's the trust?

They nerfed it a long time ago

pklemming

xgoku1 wrote: »

Please don't trivialize actual abusive relationships. It's a video game, noone's forcing you to play it.

Rich Lambert was right to call out the knee-jerk reactions. He posted this after the Combat Preview where all we knew was that the overall DPS would drop by 6-11% - that was enough for ESO Influencers to make videos with open-mouth thumbnails, and people to wildly speculate about how "ESO is dead for realsies this time, you guys".

Yes, he sounds smarmy and the trust comment is a bit laughable with the constant changes ESO makes. But he isn't wrong to say people don't have the full context.

If anything it just goes to show how pointless the Combat Preview posts are. They are released one week before the actual PTS, there's no hard numbers. Instead of generating hype, they only create drama.

We have numbers, those estimates are MASSIVELY off. You seem to be a little out of the loop. Perhaps you should go look at some actual parses coming from PTS.

I also have little faith in a person who posts a video ridiculing the player base to give any advice. That was shocking for any employee, never mind the creative director.

brylars

Asdara wrote: »

You never know when something gonna hit you in the face and destroy all the effort you did in the past month.
[snip]
And we believe that if we stick it out, things might change.
I've been farming sets for weeks now, practiced weaving for hours, and you say that was for nothing?
I don't know what to play now?
I feel [snip] betrayed.

And look at this kind of reaction!
They ask for trust?
You don't ask for trust! you earn it!
And that's really not the case, you change the entire game every 2 month.

Yeah I heard about that post. Now that I see it, I know who this person is. During a Youtube vid, his gf or wife or whatever she is popped up and told those complaining about the issues with PvP at the time to "go PvP somewhere else." He didn't correct her. He looked like she opened the velvet curtain and let everyone see what we as players were really thought of BY HIM AND THE REST OF THE DEVS.

Yeah we don't forget.

WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS! WE DESERVE A PRODUCT THAT WE HURRY HOME FROM A LONG DAY AT WORK OR SCHOOL TO SIT BACK AND SOCIALIZE AND PLAY!

[edited to remove quote]

xgoku1

pklemming wrote: »

xgoku1 wrote: »

Please don't trivialize actual abusive relationships. It's a video game, noone's forcing you to play it.

Rich Lambert was right to call out the knee-jerk reactions. He posted this after the Combat Preview where all we knew was that the overall DPS would drop by 6-11% - that was enough for ESO Influencers to make videos with open-mouth thumbnails, and people to wildly speculate about how "ESO is dead for realsies this time, you guys".

Yes, he sounds smarmy and the trust comment is a bit laughable with the constant changes ESO makes. But he isn't wrong to say people don't have the full context.

If anything it just goes to show how pointless the Combat Preview posts are. They are released one week before the actual PTS, there's no hard numbers. Instead of generating hype, they only create drama.

We have numbers, those estimates are MASSIVELY off. You seem to be a little out of the loop. Perhaps you should go look at some actual parses coming from PTS.

I also have little faith in a person who posts a video ridiculing the player base to give any advice. That was shocking for any employee, never mind the creative director.

We have the numbers now after the U35 PTS dropped. We didn't have the full context the time this tweet was posted.

Being outraged now after seeing the numbers is completely valid. Bringing out the pitchforks over the Combat Preview is not.

You don't like the guy, that's fine. But the tweet is about knee-jerk reactions, I think what happened after the Combat Preview from the ESO community absolutely counts as a knee-jerk reaction.

EmilyElizabethESO

brylars wrote: »

Asdara wrote: »

You never know when something gonna hit you in the face and destroy all the effort you did in the past month.
[snip]
And we believe that if we stick it out, things might change.
I've been farming sets for weeks now, practiced weaving for hours, and you say that was for nothing?
I don't know what to play now?
I feel [snip] betrayed.

And look at this kind of reaction!
They ask for trust?
You don't ask for trust! you earn it!
And that's really not the case, you change the entire game every 2 month.

Yeah I heard about that post. Now that I see it, I know who this person is. During a Youtube vid, his gf or wife or whatever she is popped up and told those complaining about the issues with PvP at the time to "go PvP somewhere else." He didn't correct her. He looked like she opened the velvet curtain and let everyone see what we as players were really thought of BY HIM AND THE REST OF THE DEVS.

Yeah we don't forget.

WE ARE PAYING CUSTOMERS! WE DESERVE A PRODUCT THAT WE HURRY HOME FROM A LONG DAY AT WORK OR SCHOOL TO SIT BACK AND SOCIALIZE AND PLAY!

I thought it was his mom?
Either way, it's exhausting to keep up with all the changes. I love the idea of helping new players but I'm not sure this is the best way to do it. I had no idea what I was doing when I started in 2015 on console and it took a long time to figure it out. There have been some really good ideas in these threads about how to actually help/buff new players and I hope they're seeing them. People are posting their parses from the PTS and I hope they're paying attention to that too. Just because something looks good on paper or in a spreadsheet it doesn't mean it will work out that way.

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Snamyap

Danikat wrote: »

If you really feel that way then you should stop playing, or at least cut it down to the activities which don't make you feel like you're being abused.

It's a game, the point is to have fun. If it's not fun then don't do it.

That is exactly what I am going to do. Had already cancelled my ESO+ because of other reasons but this nonsense got rid of any lingering doubt.

Riptide

I don’t see it that drastically, but I do reckon they make some bumble headed decisions. Particularly as far as timing and budget decisions.

The card game for example, and then a major combat update just after an expansion.

That doesn’t make them awful or evil people, just frustrating.

The hell of it is I wager they see it the same way, insofar as they internally reckon us toxic. Rich particularly telegraphs it, repeatedly. I’m sure he is on the whole a nice man and has brought a lot to the game, and has his reasons, but I’ll just say I’ve wished for a change at creative director for several years and try to be as kind about it as I can.

Ballermfrau

Aetherderius wrote: »

Wow! What the hell?! What a horrible comparison to a video game changing a few things!

What do you expect from a MMO forum. [snip]

[edited for baiting]

NoxiousBlight

It isn't about change being scary, it is about ZOS dramatically changing the combat every 3-6 months. I would welcome positive change but the combat team doesn't seem to have any idea where to take the combat in ESO.

I already know about the limitations, but even still if we got a new weapon, new class, new morphs, new PvP modes, anything POSITIVE, there would be mass celebration.

But instead Rich is belittling the player base calling our complaints "tiresome" when players just want consistency. A few nerfs is fine, but they have not given us any sugar to help the medicine go down in THREE YEARS.

How is it helpful in any way for the creative director of this game to insult the legitimate concerns of the player base? I can only assume he plans on dismissing the concerns outright because we are so "disappointing." Sorry, dad. But i've been trusting for years now and living on hopium. I guess my tank is all out.

Between the twitch PvP nonsense last year and some of these selective tweets, I am finding the direction and leadership of this game more disappointing than the players upset right now.

Riptide

Ballermfrau wrote: »

Aetherderius wrote: »

Wow! What the hell?! What a horrible comparison to a video game changing a few things!

What do you expect from a MMO forum. [snip]

I’d expect that if they want a more positive culture here that they interact with it quite a bit more.

[edited to remove quote]

ElvenOverlord

Wonder how long this thread will be up with that analogy. That being said while there has been a recent flurry of decisions I disagree with the headline and is a bit sensationalized. Its not that drastic to compare to an abusive relationship but the concerns are valid and the amount decisions made with a strong and negative reaction from the majority of players that are pushed through anyway is concerning and the frustration is understandable.

Elsonso

Aetherderius wrote: »

Wow! What the hell?! What a horrible comparison to a video game changing a few things!

I dunno if "abusive relationship" applies, as that implies malicious intent, and I do not think that is the case. There is definitely some manner of a dysfunctional relationship, though.

From where I stand, it isn't about any one change, or any one patch, but just the cumulative mass of "drive-by actions" over the years that have hit different parts of the game. The term "drive-by" because they do something, then disappear. Not the most satisfying of encounters.

The worst is when they do something that they know is not going to be popular, then turtle up until the storm dies down.

shadyjane62

How can I have a knee jerk reaction? I've been knee capped by these changes in all my knees.

aurorable

Yup! I finally got fed up enough with they way they treat players, issues that are being ignored and the behavior of said individual. I didn't buy High Isle because of this and having been waiting for my sub to end. I've had friends ask about whether or not they should come back and I flat out tell then NO.

Also just asking for trust is not how trust works.

iaminc

The ironic thing is that his tweet is a knee jerk reacation to our knee jerk reactions 😂😂😂

jaws343

pklemming wrote: »

xgoku1 wrote: »

Please don't trivialize actual abusive relationships. It's a video game, noone's forcing you to play it.

Rich Lambert was right to call out the knee-jerk reactions. He posted this after the Combat Preview where all we knew was that the overall DPS would drop by 6-11% - that was enough for ESO Influencers to make videos with open-mouth thumbnails, and people to wildly speculate about how "ESO is dead for realsies this time, you guys".

Yes, he sounds smarmy and the trust comment is a bit laughable with the constant changes ESO makes. But he isn't wrong to say people don't have the full context.

If anything it just goes to show how pointless the Combat Preview posts are. They are released one week before the actual PTS, there's no hard numbers. Instead of generating hype, they only create drama.

We have numbers, those estimates are MASSIVELY off. You seem to be a little out of the loop. Perhaps you should go look at some actual parses coming from PTS.

I also have little faith in a person who posts a video ridiculing the player base to give any advice. That was shocking for any employee, never mind the creative director.

To be fair, those Combat Preview numbers were only in regards to the light/heavy attack nerf, not the DOT nerf. The large drops in damage we are seeing on PTS are a combination of both nerfs.

shadyjane62

We should get 5 class change tokens when this goes live.

XarOzz

No thank you. You have lost my trust.