Nerf DK

Suligost

As the title, period. 3 weeks of playing and watching whips hitting for 7-15k dmg. Even on tankies build (Ironblood 30%, armor 40% = 70%) can't take it cuz there is always corrosive armor and not to mention 1v1 are rare. 70% of BG populace are DKs. It's not fault of the items in the game, I don't wanna hear that bullcrap, it's THE ultimate/whip/mental sustain that is just too damn strong as none class can outperform that with any mythic in the game. When there is gang of DKs, nothing can be almost done about it (bring healer on top of it). They just swarm one person, hit whips at the same time and you are dead. Whip is equal to the ultimate in dmg . There is absolutly no punish, no thinking in just spaming 2 skills, it has no cast, it remains after missing, it can be cast while blocking, just Jesus.

DK has best ults in the game, best spammable (casting one skill before it is spammable), sustain, def and I'm tired of it officialy. Don't hide behind oaken because as NB (unless caluurion rat but that's not guaranted anyway) or Sorc which are my char classes I still can't outmatch DK with this mythic, so it's not problem of a item (and somehow none of such mental problems with any other class in the game).

WHIP is basically old empower that many skills had like uppercut and it was TAKEN out, replaced as it was too strong and somehow there is class that has it under different name. So yea, my memory is far longer then current average player. Uppercut was balanced with that cuz, it had 0,7 - 1 second cast, hard to land, had to land before it gave you extra dmg anddd you couldn't block while using it. Too strong.

El_Borracho

You mean nerf again, right? How many times do we have to nerf the DK? Its too tanky. Mag DKs are too strong. DKs gap closer causes too much damage. Stone Giant is OP. Molen Armaments is OP. Fossilize is OP. And now the whip, which not too long ago was described as a useless spammable, is now OP.

SkadiMZ

El_Borracho wrote: »

You mean nerf again, right? How many times do we have to nerf the DK? Its too tanky. Mag DKs are too strong. DKs gap closer causes too much damage. Stone Giant is OP. Molen Armaments is OP. Fossilize is OP. And now the whip, which not too long ago was described as a useless spammable, is now OP.

I get your point and I think Suligost may have been coming in a little hot after a BG against an oakensoul DK, but I do agree, a spammable hitting for 15k is too much. Period. I can't even wrap my head around the entirety of the recent patch notes, but it looks like a nerf across the board. It also looks like oakensoul has been hit by the hammer a bit, too. Should be enough to put these types of posts to rest.

Borelock762

I'd like to thank them for confirming the cc never works in pvp (2 out of 10 times) , and also thank them for making it cheaper to give more spams for it to fail. Good job devs.

Elendir2am

What type of sorc are you playing? Magsorc is weakest class against DK.
Several ways of one-shot kill are in PvP. 3x Seething Fury + Corrosive Armor + Molten Whip is fare from easiest to set up.
Trying to kill DK under effect of Corrosive Armor is like fighting sorcerer and staying in Negate Magic.

Suligost

Elendir2am wrote: »

What type of sorc are you playing? Magsorc is weakest class against DK.
Several ways of one-shot kill are in PvP. 3x Seething Fury + Corrosive Armor + Molten Whip is fare from easiest to set up.
Trying to kill DK under effect of Corrosive Armor is like fighting sorcerer and staying in Negate Magic.

All stams, and there is no right for a class to exist like that. Warden, NB, Necro, Sorc - none of them have hits for 12-15k while maintaining defence and mental healing. You know whats the problem with negate? Negate stays in small area, corrosives stalks you... do you rly compare those ults? Not to mention negate is only good against solid hybrid or pure magicka xD

I just saw PTS Patch notes and still no proper nerf to current DK. Oakensoul brougth to the bottom of Mythic List (how many minor buffs you can get from simple skills not to mention sets?), so nobody gonna use it. NB more annoying then usual, no nerf to Caluurion, yey. Honestly I don't care about buffs/debuffs to my class, other classes as none of them gives me such pain as DK.

CompM4s

Maybe just start with nerfing corrosive armor. So many changes next patch, who knows how it will all look.

El_Borracho

SkadiMZ wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

You mean nerf again, right? How many times do we have to nerf the DK? Its too tanky. Mag DKs are too strong. DKs gap closer causes too much damage. Stone Giant is OP. Molen Armaments is OP. Fossilize is OP. And now the whip, which not too long ago was described as a useless spammable, is now OP.

I get your point and I think Suligost may have been coming in a little hot after a BG against an oakensoul DK, but I do agree, a spammable hitting for 15k is too much. Period. I can't even wrap my head around the entirety of the recent patch notes, but it looks like a nerf across the board. It also looks like oakensoul has been hit by the hammer a bit, too. Should be enough to put these types of posts to rest.

It feels like they are buffing spammables. Crystal weapon is a prime example.

But enough with the DK nerfs. DK was my first class over 5 years ago when I started playing. In that time, I've seen it get crushed to the point there was no reason to play a DK as a DD. Then a year ago they revamped it and made it fun and effective, especially Mag DKs. Now that it is a viable class, people are upset because their class is now vulnerable to it.

I am against nerfs in general. But this is borderline laughable. You will die when a bunch of people attack you at once in PVP. Just because everyone can't 1 v X all the time does not mean a skill is OP.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

El_Borracho wrote: »

SkadiMZ wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

You mean nerf again, right? How many times do we have to nerf the DK? Its too tanky. Mag DKs are too strong. DKs gap closer causes too much damage. Stone Giant is OP. Molen Armaments is OP. Fossilize is OP. And now the whip, which not too long ago was described as a useless spammable, is now OP.

I get your point and I think Suligost may have been coming in a little hot after a BG against an oakensoul DK, but I do agree, a spammable hitting for 15k is too much. Period. I can't even wrap my head around the entirety of the recent patch notes, but it looks like a nerf across the board. It also looks like oakensoul has been hit by the hammer a bit, too. Should be enough to put these types of posts to rest.

It feels like they are buffing spammables. Crystal weapon is a prime example.

But enough with the DK nerfs. DK was my first class over 5 years ago when I started playing. In that time, I've seen it get crushed to the point there was no reason to play a DK as a DD. Then a year ago they revamped it and made it fun and effective, especially Mag DKs. Now that it is a viable class, people are upset because their class is now vulnerable to it.

I am against nerfs in general. But this is borderline laughable. You will die when a bunch of people attack you at once in PVP. Just because everyone can't 1 v X all the time does not mean a skill is OP.

and in spite of all that its still top tier pvp class

Kahnak

I got killed by something in PvP, so now it should be nerfed.

TrinityBreaker

"Whip is equal to ultimate in damage"

Someone forgot that spectral bow exist.

"So yea, my memory is far longer then current average player"

I dont know man.

Foxtrot39

Suligost wrote: »

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I just saw PTS Patch notes and still no proper nerf to current DK. Oakensoul brougth to the bottom of Mythic List (how many minor buffs you can get from simple skills not to mention sets?), so nobody gonna use it. NB more annoying then usual, no nerf to Caluurion, yey. Honestly I don't care about buffs/debuffs to my class, other classes as none of them gives me such pain as DK.

Caluurion actually got its damage halved, not in the note but on the PTS server it shows, someone posted comparative screenshots somewhere

TrinityBreaker wrote: »

"Whip is equal to ultimate in damage"

Someone forgot that spectral bow exist.

"So yea, my memory is far longer then current average player"

I dont know man.

Spectral bow need a build up and is so telegraphic unless you have latency issue you should have no trouble dodging it

Whip hit maybe half as hard but you have no buildup time, add corrosive on top and you have a spamable spectral bow

WoppaBoem

Foxtrot39 wrote: »

Suligost wrote: »

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I just saw PTS Patch notes and still no proper nerf to current DK. Oakensoul brougth to the bottom of Mythic List (how many minor buffs you can get from simple skills not to mention sets?), so nobody gonna use it. NB more annoying then usual, no nerf to Caluurion, yey. Honestly I don't care about buffs/debuffs to my class, other classes as none of them gives me such pain as DK.

Caluurion actually got its damage halved, not in the note but on the PTS server it shows

TrinityBreaker wrote: »

"Whip is equal to ultimate in damage"

Someone forgot that spectral bow exist.

"So yea, my memory is far longer then current average player"

I dont know man.

Spectral bow need a build up and is so telegraphic unless you have latency issue you should have no trouble dodging it

Whip spam hit maybe half as hard but you have no builup time, add corrosive on top and you have a spammale spectral bow

Lol so you dont know how whip works, you need to use 3 skill of the same skill tree to proc up your whip. Spamming whip is not a thing except when someone is low to finish and burry the opponent. But all is getting nerfed anyway next patch game will be worthless so I dont care what they will do at that point.

Foxtrot39

3s is still less than 5s

Unsure if you loose any stack of seething fury on whip cast as nothing refere to that

MidniteOwl1913

Relax, next patch DK will be nerfed so hard into the ground it will looking up at China. Take a look at the patch notes.

TrinityBreaker

Foxtrot39 wrote: »

Suligost wrote: »

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I just saw PTS Patch notes and still no proper nerf to current DK. Oakensoul brougth to the bottom of Mythic List (how many minor buffs you can get from simple skills not to mention sets?), so nobody gonna use it. NB more annoying then usual, no nerf to Caluurion, yey. Honestly I don't care about buffs/debuffs to my class, other classes as none of them gives me such pain as DK.

Caluurion actually got its damage halved, not in the note but on the PTS server it shows, someone posted comparative screenshots somewhere

TrinityBreaker wrote: »

"Whip is equal to ultimate in damage"

Someone forgot that spectral bow exist.

"So yea, my memory is far longer then current average player"

I dont know man.

Spectral bow need a build up and is so telegraphic unless you have latency issue you should have no trouble dodging it

Whip hit maybe half as hard but you have no buildup time, add corrosive on top and you have a spamable spectral bow

My guy what? You need to use 3 ardent flame skills to get the full build up for molten whip to do the damage it does. Corrosive is icing on the cake and I wont argue how op it can be.

What Im getting at is this. Spec Bow only requires Light attacks, which takes no resoirces, to get the proc. Molten Whip requires 3 skills, which does take resources, to get the proc.