What do you consider *Average* DPS this patch?

Grandchamp1989

I'm talking overall average dps, not trial guild average dps.

Poll Demographic: Average PvE DD player, who've reached cp 160+, who participate in normal or vet group content (dungeon, trial and/or arena's).
Dummy: 21 million

This is not what you consider high dps, not above average or even what you consider mediocre and low dps.
What do you expect an Average player would parse on the 21mill trial dummy this patch? Keep in mind not everyone is in trial guilds.
No right or wrong answer here, so lets respect each other's opinion.

TheGreatBlackBear

40-50k

I’m speaking in faith that average person can hit 50k with the new craftable set and coral. I’m choosing to be optimistic.

Dragonlord573

30-40k

The average player is gonna be between 20-40k dps. The people above that are the people actually trying to hit harder.

EnerG

40-50k

Between 30 and 50k actual parse is like the majority of the dps once they get even a slight handle on rotation and weaving, in just about any patch.

Soarora

50k-60k

Really I’d say maybe 40-70k so I went with the middle option.

ixmike

I have no idea, because I turned all those annoying numbers off literally the first time I ever played this game.

They're quite an eyesore.

Troodon80

Honestly, this is such a tough question to answer without going really deep into the nitty gritty. For example, you've said who the poll demographic is for, but the forum is generally a place where the "average" don't come; in fact a lot of new-ish players (and even higher CP 600+ players) don't even know the forum exists or how to make an account -- which isn't helped by the fact that you need an invite.

Most "average" players won't be doing stuff like Dreadsail Reef in order to get the new meta, and most average players won't even care about the meta. So under what context are we referring to? The average who want to run meta because it's what some guide or guild mate told them to run, or just the average players made up of predominantly casual players who also don't really care about DPS as long as it's sufficient?

If I were to take any of the dungeon runs (both normal and veteran) I've done, the average player is hitting anywhere between 10k and 25k. If you convert that to trial dummy terms, it probably wouldn't be much more than 50k, if it even reached that. Though that's purely speculative since most won't even say hello, let alone reply to some random stranger asking them to do a dummy parse for science.

I would surmise around 30-40k DPS average on the trial atronach. I won't bother voting, though, since I'm not your demograph.

drsalvation

20-30k

I've always been a tank and recently switched to DPS...
this just made me realize I'm not apt to be a DPS either (at least not one I can actually have fun with, my witcher build does around 17-20k, my main templar does around 23-25k)... Considering my tank can't even surpass 9k...

So I either make effective builds, or I make fun builds and get carried by the other DPS...
I'm not a DPS, never have been, I always tank when I can in any game that allows it, but 6 years as a tank in this game really depresses me, and now I realize my DPS is also low by standards.

I mean, I'm glad the other DPS in PUGs tend to be happy to carry with all the damage, but I'm not ready for dlc dungeons... at least not as a dps.

drsalvation

20-30k

ixmike wrote: »

I have no idea, because I turned all those annoying numbers off literally the first time I ever played this game.

They're quite an eyesore.

yeah, I turned them off too. You can see the average DPS on target dummies in the chatbox after you're done attacking.

Reverb

40-50k

I’ve been running a lot of pugs lately because the cyro queue is so long during my play time now that performance is better. I’ve noticed a curious distribution in the dps numbers, where there are practically no players in the top 3rd of your listed ranges. People are either below 50k, or over 100k, with very few exceptions.

Most are 40-50k, a surprising number are 20-30k, a small number of sub-10k (how is that even possible?) and the rest are 100k+ killing machines.

dmnqwk

40-50k

drsalvation wrote: »

ixmike wrote: »

I have no idea, because I turned all those annoying numbers off literally the first time I ever played this game.

They're quite an eyesore.

yeah, I turned them off too. You can see the average DPS on target dummies in the chatbox after you're done attacking.

When you get the readout in chat, it's usually higher than an add-on would show you by 5-8k.

I've been a tank for about 20 years, with the 5 years before that primary healer. I like to do a bit of everything though and always practiced DPS on top of it. In ESO I primarily focus on dps because of the way tanks are poorly handled by the game (no threat, no damage, just buff bots) and it's not too difficult to produce decent enough damage with practice. A player who can perform one role can perform every role with practice after all.

Regarding the poll, I think a lot haven't read it and are confusing parse numbers with what's seen in a dungeon which are totally different.

spartaxoxo

10-20k

EnerG wrote: »

Between 30 and 50k actual parse is like the majority of the dps once they get even a slight handle on rotation and weaving, in just about any patch.

Just having even a slight handle on rotation and weaving makes them above average.

The companions couldn't have more than 5-10k dps range because they'd be in danger of being better than the average player, causing people to pick companions over them.

So I think it's likely that the average player is hitting like 5-10k dps. Which is probably like 10-20 on a trial dummy.

GOAT4EVAR

20-30k

in my opinion and experiance the avg player arent the ones doing trials or vet dungeons or vdlc dungeons, they are the questers, roleplayers, and exploring and doing dungeons on normal etc. So from what i've seen from casual friends to strangers the avg dps would be 20k +/- 5k.

Soarora

50k-60k

Reverb wrote: »

I’ve been running a lot of pugs lately because the cyro queue is so long during my play time now that performance is better. I’ve noticed a curious distribution in the dps numbers, where there are practically no players in the top 3rd of your listed ranges. People are either below 50k, or over 100k, with very few exceptions.

Most are 40-50k, a surprising number are 20-30k, a small number of sub-10k (how is that even possible?) and the rest are 100k+ killing machines.

I just wanted to note (since the poll is about dps in context of the 21mil trial dummy) that in-content dps is usually lower than parse dps due to the buff differences and having to do mechanics. For instance, I have an 80k parse but only dps 40-55kish in DSR.

MrGarlic

20-30k

I did a 3mill skeleton parse on my Maelstrom Arena Mag Templar and I only got 21k DPS, yet I have no issues completing Maelstrom Arena.

I think that says a lot about how useless comparing DPS on a skeleton is compared to actual 'in-game' skill.

The DPS dummies are only good for practising rotations, if you have need to do that.

A high parse does NOT make you a better player, overall. There are many other factors to consider. Conditional skill setups, gear choice and quality, mechanic knowledge and even ping/latency need to be considered.

MorganaLaVey

10-20k

I think we need to distinguish between the average Person and the average ESO Player.
If you pick a random Person from the street and get it accustomed to a simple Rotation for 10 min, its dps will probebly be higher than 90% of ESO Players.

So think average Person can hit 60k-70k, but average ESO Player is 10k-20k

WinterHeart626

I do dummies rarely, as said further up, it’s good for getting rotations that’s about it.
Once you’re in a trial, dungeon or whatever, you can’t stand still unless you trust your healer, in vet content, some of those mechs are instant death, so even if your healer is ace, they ain’t healing you out of death mechs.
My dummy parses are absolute trash to be honest, however when I run vet dungeon content with a capable tank and healer, 90% of the time we clear a speed run (when there is no quest to obtain because we did that prior) and every now and then we get no deaths as well.
The other DPS I regularly run with is a warden werewolf, one bar build (even before the oakensoul ring). *edit* for clarification the werewolf is not my toon, it’s my partners, i main a magNB dual bar.
Soooo, honestly, dummies for rotation tests, because once your on the floor, you either talk the talk, or walk the walk. Dead DPS deal no damage after all.

Riptide

20-30k

Folks are so defensive about dummy parses. Of course it doesn’t take into account mechanics, lag, teamwork and all the rest - but there simply is no better way to practice what only you are responsible for, to trial and error optimizations to a rotation, and to create muscle memory.

Of course you can be an asset if you parse poorly, and a low parse isn’t a judgement of your character or something.

But if you parse very low on a dummy then you will parse very low on the move. Spending time, alone, working out the kinks, working on improving in almost all cases yields breakthroughs. It is just as simple as that, and if you respect other players you group with and want to be the best help to them you can then carrying a chip on your shoulder about words like “casual” or the idea of practicing and improving is something to let go of.

As far as a maelstrom arena character parsing 20k, maybe normal - which is so much easier than vet that it isn’t even the same activity. You might manage vMA with 20k, but what a miserable experience it would be vs even twice that - which is elementary to achieve with just a day or two genuinely trying with the dummy. A better example of stubbornness causing self inconvenience you’d be hard pressed to find in gaming.

From guitar to archery to running, practice is useful and it isn’t any different re: practice dummies. No reason besides insecurity to have a hangup about it

Kaelthorn_Nightbloom

80k-90k

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

What do you expect an Average player would parse on the 21mill trial dummy this patch? Keep in mind not everyone is in trial guilds.

Not sure why ~50k is the most popular response. That seems really low. You don't even have to try and you can hit 80k pretty easily. That's without meta gear and with lots of misses on LA weave.

I threw a random DPS build together with Mother's Sorrow and Order's Wrath and hit 82k. I don't even raid.

Thief, Ghastly Eye Bowl, 64 magicka, Bloodthirsty Spell Damage, Precise Inferno, Kilt = 82k

Riptide

20-30k

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

Not sure why ~50k is the most popular response. That seems really low. You don't even have to try and you can hit 80k pretty easily. That's without meta gear and with lots of misses on LA weave.

Most people who play this game do not weave at all. And indeed have never parsed, or at least spent a couple of days genuinely trying to overcome that first 25kish plateau. If they knew they could literally double their damage by doing so for a day or so, they would - but assume you have to be sweaty or that the scale is busted and folks are gaming it in an unrealistic way. I’ve had to calmly insist to countless beginning raiders to stick with it, and most have an “oh!” moment and overcome it, but some are so defensive about it they just never do.

Kaelthorn_Nightbloom

80k-90k

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

Most people who play this game do not weave at all. And indeed have never parsed, or at least spent a couple of days genuinely trying to overcome that first 25kish plateau. If they knew they could literally double their damage by doing so for a day or so, they would - but assume you have to be sweaty or that the scale is busted and folks are gaming it in an unrealistic way. I’ve had to calmly insist to countless beginning raiders to stick with it, and most have an “oh!” moment and overcome it, but some are so defensive about it they just never do.

Makes sense.

If you don't LA weave and you mess up your traits, enchants, and mundus then it would be easy to get stuck under 40k dps on a 21m trial dummy. I actually remember that wall until I became more familiar with sources of damage and stat density.

There's a lot of tribal knowledge in ESO.

Riptide

20-30k

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

Makes sense.

If you don't LA weave and you mess up your traits, enchants, and mundus then it would be easy to get stuck under 40k dps on a 21m trial dummy. I actually remember that wall until I became more familiar with sources of damage and stat density.

There's a lot of tribal knowledge in ESO.

Indeed - and most folks don’t understand that a lot of that stuff is easy and pretty quick to learn if you truly grapple with it.

I remember way back years ago we had a bright spark idea to do dummy tests in person, and I was doing the recruiting at the time and focused on new raiders. 21M dummies were new, and after the fourth or fifth one I stopped doing that up front - because they all but one were completely dry of resources after a few million damage and doing as much heavy attacking as anything. Dropped back to 3m and workshopped it beforehand etc.

And I can’t tell you how many people try to weave so fast it never fires off, easily, easily the most common thing to adjust and see a big jump. Like 3 of 4 people Ive seen struggle thats partly why, that and sustain.

Jpk0012

10-20k

TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »

I’m speaking in faith that average person can hit 50k with the new craftable set and coral. I’m choosing to be optimistic.

Muhahahahahahahahahaha... hahahahaha.

4% of respondents answering 100K. Found the devs.

DreamyLu

20-30k

Don't know. I'm not into maxing DPS. I do average 15-20k and it's more than sufficient for the content I touch, even more since I have Bastian to help...

I believe there are probably a lot more players like me, not really caring, than what we think.

Tannus15

80k-90k

I misunderstood the assignment

yeah, the average player is going to be in the 40k range from my experience. less if they haven't looked up builds and are still running default traits and enchantments.
far less if they have "balanced" their attributes and haven't golded their weapons or they have a weak mundus.

something this game does really poorly is explain how to optimise a setup. half the time when i take people into their very first normal trial they aren't even using food buffs.

one of the problems with overland being so incredibly easy that consumables feel like a waste of resources.

Narvuntien

10-20k

I am pretty sure the average dps is 15-20K.

I hit 30K with 300 ping and I know what I am doing.

ccfeeling

40-50k

40K on 6M dummy .

Sorry , I don't play trial , freaking lag I don't enjoy , there is no reason I test my build with 21M dummy .

Riptide

20-30k

DreamyLu wrote: »

Don't know. I'm not into maxing DPS. I do average 15-20k and it's more than sufficient for the content I touch, even more since I have Bastian to help...

I believe there are probably a lot more players like me, not really caring, than what we think.

Oh, we know, and Zenimax certainly knows. 90% of the game’s content is overland and tuned for that.

To the great consternation of those of us who have been asking for a vet overland mode for the better part of a decade - rather than card games and companions. But that is another thread 🙂

My wife plays as you do, and not only is there nothing wrong with it but the game is built to that and that is the vast majority of players. It only irks some of us because it didn’t start out that way, but evolved to it. And because there is just enough good, solid, challenging content that we can see what it might be if they chose to walk and chew bubblegum.

If you ever decide to tackle vet arenas, vet hardmode trials and so on, the parses are the best starting point to sharpen up, and just as important as learning mechanics….as it allows for shortened mechanics or even skipping some.

But there is no reason to bother if doing overland with a companion, no doubt. I’ve certainly never urged my wife to do so, I just set her up a simple rotation and thats worked for years with zero changes. No weaving, no pots, no muss no fuss.

Jarl_Ironheart

40-50k

So with Veildreths Set, pretty all gold hundings snd night mothers two handed stamden I was able to get 44k DPS on a 12.7 Million(I think that was it's health). And it was mu first time trying to parse, been a tank forever. So I say it's safe to say between 40k and 50k.

By the way would my DPS go up if I tried on a 21million dummy due to the buffs it gives? Curious to know

kevkj

30-40k

The people who vote for anything higher than 50k are smoking the good stuff.

AvalonRanger

30-40k

As a tank, I prefer non glass DPS who has little bit bigger damage than tank.