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Ascendent Order should've been a Mehrunes Dagon cult

Vrienda
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I know y'all said this wasn't gonna be a cult story but these guys just don't have a good political plan. It'd make more sense if they were doing what they're doing as an act of worship to the Daedric Prince of revolution and change. Much more than the Waking Flame. High Isle just isn't a political story in the way Orsinium was. The order is just a glorified cult targeting political people and it's honestly quite a shame. Because as a result they're not compelling.
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  • Vrienda
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    I just think Mehrunes was done dirty in Blackwood and so far the Ascendent Order have shown themselves to be nothing but iredeemably evil morons without much of a choherent long term plan other than disrupting the norm.

    With how they're written, they fit a Daedric cult better than what ZOS is aiming for right now. My critique is of the writing of them, not a demand that everything be related to the Daedra. You could handwave their lack of a clear and coherent goal by putting a Daedric Prince behind them. As it is we're half way through the year and they just don't have anything going for them but sounding cool in helmets.
    Desperate for Roleplaying servers to bring open world non-organised RP to Elder Scrolls Online. Please ZOS.
  • chessalavakia_ESO
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    I think that the political story of High Isle suffers from the fact ESO just doesn't have the budget to tell a political story at the scale at which events are occurring.

    If you had the budget for it High Isle could have let the player choose to join the Order, choose to push for peace, or choose to push for the war to continue.

    You could have met people from your faction that would have pushed each point of view.

    Then, after your made your choice, you could deal with the repercussions.

    Obviously, ZOS doesn't have the resources to spin the story off into all of those different directions.
  • KingArthasMenethil
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    Honestly they didn't do Dagon dirty. He's always been big on destruction. The Waking Flames leader just believes that Magnus will remake the world after Dagon destroys it. Destruction is a big thing for Dagon to the very point I wonder that if revolution and change is something mortals falsely attribute to him as it's really just an aftermath of the destruction he causes. Dagons realm is literally a destructive hellscape that goes back to TES4 and the Daedric realms are meant to reflect the Princes if I recall.

    Just because a group wants change doesn't mean it should be a Daedric Cult. Making things a Daedric Cult because it "fits" doesn't help the setting as you'll end up the with issues Nibenese Cults have where anything that Isn't Daedric is barely a cult and only exists for one thing (rip Ancestor Moth).
    Also this year is toning down on the Daedric stuff because they drown everything out especially after we just had a year with Dagon as the focus.

    We also do not have the full story nor do we know the actual goal and intentions of the Ascendant Lord which is why one should wait for Q4 before one can critique their writing. Like do they want to get rid of the current rulers to put themselves on the Throne?

    If Blackwood did anything dirty it was the Imperials who are always done dirty because literally everything of theirs is never represented properly.
    EU 2000+ CP
    Characters
    Gaius Sulla 50 Cyrodiil DragonKnight.
    Livia Sulla 50 Cyrodiil Nightblade.
    Divayth-Fyr 50 Dunmer Sorcerer.
    Ragnar Shatter-Shield 50 Nord Dragonknight.
    Selvia Sulla 50 Cyrodiil Templar.
    Attrebus Mede 50 Cyrodiil Warden.
    Zirath Urivith 50 Dunmer Dragonknight.
    Dame Edwinna Gelas 50 Breton Dragonknight.
    Agrippina Tharn 50 Cyrodiil Necromancer.
    Bedal Dren 50 Dunmer Dragonknight.
  • KingArthasMenethil
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    I think that the political story of High Isle suffers from the fact ESO just doesn't have the budget to tell a political story at the scale at which events are occurring.

    If you had the budget for it High Isle could have let the player choose to join the Order, choose to push for peace, or choose to push for the war to continue.

    You could have met people from your faction that would have pushed each point of view.

    Then, after your made your choice, you could deal with the repercussions.

    Obviously, ZOS doesn't have the resources to spin the story off into all of those different directions.

    Honestly it's not really about budget or resources it's ZoS having everything at once and being able to play in any order that messes with it as you cannot have it do anything if for example you do the Legacy of the Bretons first and then base game after since the timeline was destroyed.
    From memory they've toned down player choice after base game which is probably relating to stuff like who gets sacrificed to the Amulet of Kings and other choices that might mess with things (how long till Varen returns to really mess with choices?)
    EU 2000+ CP
    Characters
    Gaius Sulla 50 Cyrodiil DragonKnight.
    Livia Sulla 50 Cyrodiil Nightblade.
    Divayth-Fyr 50 Dunmer Sorcerer.
    Ragnar Shatter-Shield 50 Nord Dragonknight.
    Selvia Sulla 50 Cyrodiil Templar.
    Attrebus Mede 50 Cyrodiil Warden.
    Zirath Urivith 50 Dunmer Dragonknight.
    Dame Edwinna Gelas 50 Breton Dragonknight.
    Agrippina Tharn 50 Cyrodiil Necromancer.
    Bedal Dren 50 Dunmer Dragonknight.
  • Vaoh
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    Orsinium was my favorite story in this game.

    I haven’t played High Isle yet but I was really excited when ZOS announced this year would be a story of political intrigue. Now I’m getting worried lol.
  • moleculardrugs
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    Vrienda wrote: »
    I know y'all said this wasn't gonna be a cult story but these guys just don't have a good political plan. It'd make more sense if they were doing what they're doing as an act of worship to the Daedric Prince of revolution and change. Much more than the Waking Flame. High Isle just isn't a political story in the way Orsinium was. The order is just a glorified cult targeting political people and it's honestly quite a shame. Because as a result they're not compelling.

    The Ascendent Magus should have been a Daedra in disguise. Since fighting the Waking Flame, I am not phased by these Breton political terrorists :3
  • moleculardrugs
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    Honestly they didn't do Dagon dirty. He's always been big on destruction. The Waking Flames leader just believes that Magnus will remake the world after Dagon destroys it. Destruction is a big thing for Dagon to the very point I wonder that if revolution and change is something mortals falsely attribute to him as it's really just an aftermath of the destruction he causes. Dagons realm is literally a destructive hellscape that goes back to TES4 and the Daedric realms are meant to reflect the Princes if I recall.

    Just because a group wants change doesn't mean it should be a Daedric Cult. Making things a Daedric Cult because it "fits" doesn't help the setting as you'll end up the with issues Nibenese Cults have where anything that Isn't Daedric is barely a cult and only exists for one thing (rip Ancestor Moth).
    Also this year is toning down on the Daedric stuff because they drown everything out especially after we just had a year with Dagon as the focus.

    We also do not have the full story nor do we know the actual goal and intentions of the Ascendant Lord which is why one should wait for Q4 before one can critique their writing. Like do they want to get rid of the current rulers to put themselves on the Throne?

    If Blackwood did anything dirty it was the Imperials who are always done dirty because literally everything of theirs is never represented properly.

    I agree. I wish we heard more about Varen’s deeds and how Emperor Ludivoc was trying to destroy things quicker
  • kaushad
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    The Ascendent Magus should have been a Daedra in disguise. Since fighting the Waking Flame, I am not phased by these Breton political terrorists :3

    We don't need another Samuel Gourone instead of a Breton wizard.
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