Theory Crafting builds that can stand up to OakenSoul PvP

Redguards_Revenge

Any ideas? This isn't like sithis where they get an abundance of health, defense and recovery.

OakenSoul didn't matter that it removed 5 slots because the ring itself is 4-5 skills packed into one AT NO COST. Link that up with certain proc sets, that's like 7 skills at no cost. ZoS knows this and the game will continue to evolve in this way. Like I said for 2 years, in a way to circumvent the limited 5 bar slot skills. They destroyed the system that could have mad this game unique. It's to far gone and it can't be fixed anymore. I've accepted this fact.

So in my final attempts, I'd like to ask the community for help. I'll probably do some ESO+ to farm some sets that are included only in ESO+. So I'd like to theory craft some sets that can help me compete against OakenSoul.

I use a Redguard Stamina Templar. That can't be changed. After seeing a DK do this (Even before oakensoul)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49d7qqiFa-k

What is even the point but maybe your wisdoms and knowledge will show me something I don't know .


If there is no true answer, well I guess we know where everyone stands on this.

Wolfpaw

"Theory Crafting builds that can stand up to OakenSoul PvP"

ZOS next PTS

Rowjoh

Oakensoul will get hard nerfed - it throws everything already badly out of kilter even more out of whack!

It's purely a marketing incentive to boost High Isle sales, but this is a business so can't really blame ZoS for trying to make money by hook or by crook.

ZOS_Hadeostry

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Vaoh

Oakensoul isn’t even strong.

Anyone can be just as strong as an Oakensoul user by simply using Spell Power pots and then having your personal support buff group provide you Drake’s Rush, Aggressive Warhorn, SPC, Enchanted Growth, and a Storm Atro synergy. Then for 8 seconds while in combat it’s like you’re using Oakensoul.

It’s RIDICULOUS that it does not have every buff in the game. Oakensoul needs to be buffed

xDeusEJRx

Vaoh wrote: »

Oakensoul isn’t even strong.

Anyone can be just as strong as an Oakensoul user by simply using Spell Power pots and then having your personal support buff group provide you Drake’s Rush, Aggressive Warhorn, SPC, Enchanted Growth, and a Storm Atro synergy. Then for 8 seconds while in combat it’s like you’re using Oakensoul.

It’s RIDICULOUS that it does not have every buff in the game. Oakensoul needs to be buffed

Agreed, they should also give it a unique damage buff, crit buff, ulti gen buff and armor buff. The mythic is severely lacking, can't believe zos released it in such an underperforming state

Ragnaroek93

I remember when I had 3 bars on my sorc. Now I have one... guess I'm gonna uninstall...

CameraBeardThePirate

Honestly? The easiest answer to survive against Oakensoul gankers is to spec more health. Running all prismatics, death dealers fete, 1 pc trainee, and putting 40+ points into health should get you to around 38k+ health without sacrificing much sustain or damage. At that point its a matter of breaking free quickly and learning to react quickly to ganks.

Will you still die from inferno heavy attack ganks? Probably. Those builds are broken, and have been for a few patches, really no getting around that. But for the run of the mill oakensoul ganker, the easy answer to survive is to simply stack more health and get better at reacting as soon as you've been stunned.

Wolfpaw

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

I remember when I had 3 bars on my sorc. Now I have one... guess I'm gonna uninstall...

One-shot light attack mythic!

blabafat

Oakensoul is silly. It dumbs the game down. You don't need to apply buffs. You permanently have the best buffs in the game on you. Major heroism is a joke.

Redguards_Revenge

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Honestly? The easiest answer to survive against Oakensoul gankers is to spec more health. Running all prismatics, death dealers fete, 1 pc trainee, and putting 40+ points into health should get you to around 38k+ health without sacrificing much sustain or damage. At that point its a matter of breaking free quickly and learning to react quickly to ganks.

Will you still die from inferno heavy attack ganks? Probably. Those builds are broken, and have been for a few patches, really no getting around that. But for the run of the mill oakensoul ganker, the easy answer to survive is to simply stack more health and get better at reacting as soon as you've been stunned.

How do I survive them getting 2-3 ultis on me compared to my 1?

Also I don't want to survive oaken...I want to BEAT it...you know...PVP...not just jump around like a monkey spamming shields and heals.

MEBengalsFan2001

Redguards_Revenge wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Honestly? The easiest answer to survive against Oakensoul gankers is to spec more health. Running all prismatics, death dealers fete, 1 pc trainee, and putting 40+ points into health should get you to around 38k+ health without sacrificing much sustain or damage. At that point its a matter of breaking free quickly and learning to react quickly to ganks.

Will you still die from inferno heavy attack ganks? Probably. Those builds are broken, and have been for a few patches, really no getting around that. But for the run of the mill oakensoul ganker, the easy answer to survive is to simply stack more health and get better at reacting as soon as you've been stunned.

How do I survive them getting 2-3 ultis on me compared to my 1?

Also I don't want to survive oaken...I want to BEAT it...you know...PVP...not just jump around like a monkey spamming shields and heals.

OakenSoul should not limit players to one bar; instead it should take 5% of the player life every second.

TechMaybeHic

A build? Run in an organized group or build something you can sell for $39.99 and also get the mythic

xDeusEJRx

Builds that stand up to oakensoul:

Lockboxes

Unified_Gaming

Redguards_Revenge wrote: »

Any ideas? This isn't like sithis where they get an abundance of health, defense and recovery.

OakenSoul didn't matter that it removed 5 slots because the ring itself is 4-5 skills packed into one AT NO COST. Link that up with certain proc sets, that's like 7 skills at no cost. ZoS knows this and the game will continue to evolve in this way. Like I said for 2 years, in a way to circumvent the limited 5 bar slot skills. They destroyed the system that could have mad this game unique. It's to far gone and it can't be fixed anymore. I've accepted this fact.

So in my final attempts, I'd like to ask the community for help. I'll probably do some ESO+ to farm some sets that are included only in ESO+. So I'd like to theory craft some sets that can help me compete against OakenSoul.

I use a Redguard Stamina Templar. That can't be changed. After seeing a DK do this (Even before oakensoul)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49d7qqiFa-k

What is even the point but maybe your wisdoms and knowledge will show me something I don't know .


If there is no true answer, well I guess we know where everyone stands on this.

Just a heads up but this was also for last patch without the ring.

As for what is better than oakensoul you can make builds that are stronger but require more buff management. I think the ring needs to be looked at in some regards like major courage and force should go. The heroism is debatable as you lose 5 skills and an ultimate so need to push that ultimate out more to be competitive in pve.

There will always be broken builds. Look at stamsorc bow builds using Savage werewolf - they're nuts without the ring.

sharquez

All I see is a hyper specialized build with cherrypicked (as is the norm mind you not putting anything on a pedestal) footage
killing unaware players. as soon as this build gets spotted or hit by like anything at all it will crumple. A stray venom arrow or crushing shock shuts this down. BUT a Gank build on a non nightblade is great! more power to the play how you want crowd, and Props on the build.
The only point this makes is that glass cannon or mid armor/non optimized builds are going to throw venom if they get ambushed and call it unfair and call for nerfs.

Now if this busted a heavy armor build wearing Sea Serpents coil or whatever then we could think about what that means as far as power creep but ganks happening in PVP is nothing out of the ordinary.

divnyi

@sharquez heavy attacks are not interruptible.

Other than that, this build is overhyped. Try take that to BGs with good bowsorcs on the other side, I dare you. Won't do anything without ult, would need to have clear LoS to hit something in ult, blocks and roll dodges save ez. Next ult in ages. Completely vulnerable inbetween.

CameraBeardThePirate

Redguards_Revenge wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Honestly? The easiest answer to survive against Oakensoul gankers is to spec more health. Running all prismatics, death dealers fete, 1 pc trainee, and putting 40+ points into health should get you to around 38k+ health without sacrificing much sustain or damage. At that point its a matter of breaking free quickly and learning to react quickly to ganks.

Will you still die from inferno heavy attack ganks? Probably. Those builds are broken, and have been for a few patches, really no getting around that. But for the run of the mill oakensoul ganker, the easy answer to survive is to simply stack more health and get better at reacting as soon as you've been stunned.

How do I survive them getting 2-3 ultis on me compared to my 1?

Also I don't want to survive oaken...I want to BEAT it...you know...PVP...not just jump around like a monkey spamming shields and heals.

You time your ults in between theirs. Oaken builds hit hard and often, but the combos you make on an Oakensoul build are limited. Most classes will have 2 abilities you really need to worry about at most on an Oaken build.

The survivability I mentioned to build in my example is how you survive oakensoul; you beat oakensoul by outplaying the person you're fighting. If you build into health like I suggested, you won't need to jump around spamming shields and heals. The entire point is that you'll have a larger buffer to continue to play offensively.

sharquez

divnyi wrote: »

@sharquez heavy attacks are not interruptible.

Melee's aren't from my experience but I have definitely 100% would-bet-my-oakensoul-ring-leads on seen staff heavy attacks get interrupted.

Whether that is consistent between patches much like CC immunity preventing flag game pick ups or being able to use gap closers in bgs/ic or a million other little things is definitely up for debate and I will concede that much.

sharquez

sharquez wrote: »

divnyi wrote: »

@sharquez heavy attacks are not interruptible.

Melee's aren't from my experience but I have definitely 100% would-bet-my-oakensoul-ring-leads on seen staff heavy attacks get interrupted. Hell I even give you that it might be resto and lightning heavys that are/were interruptible but i've seen it and felt it.

Whether that is consistent between patches much like CC immunity preventing flag game pick ups or being able to use gap closers in bgs/ic or a million other little things is definitely up for debate and I will concede that much.