Initial impressions of High Isle PVP balance, based on BGs?

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taugrim
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Curious to hear your takes.

Here are my top 3:
1. (Mag)DK is still king. The most consistent people I see pulling 16-0 (KDR), 15-1, etc are DKs. I talked to some DK mains, they said the Combustion nerf hasn't been as bad as some were making it out to be
2. StamSorcs are everywhere and they hit hard. The most common thing I hear in BGs is the tink-tink-tink from Savage Werewolf set by Bow Stamsorcs.
3. NBs hit noticably harder. The buffs/fixes to Ambush and Surprise Attack seem to have helped killing power. Many NBs still die in AOE / group fights, but their ability to take out targets is improved

Is the Ruinous Scythe change worth it for Stamcro? Looks very interesting on paper.
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  • Dem_kitkats1
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    I agree with StamSorc. Their ridiculous burst damage, mobility, and now more access to healing makes them very difficult opponents to actually finish off.
    Edited by Dem_kitkats1 on June 9, 2022 12:23AM
  • Kory
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    Ruinous Scythe is alright if your damage is high. It definitely needed the hemorrhaging and off balance. It's nothing special like other class spammables. It really shows itself when you hit multiple people with it and you burst heal up, but it's not going to make anyone panic like Jabs will, or surprise attack etc.
  • divnyi
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    Stamsorcs are now the best at burst and best at DPS. Just as I predicted before patch hit, when everyone was betting on DK to continue to be the king.
  • Veinblood1965
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    It's about time NB's got something, we have been treated worse than a three day old chicken sandwich.
  • katorga
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    divnyi wrote: »
    Stamsorcs are now the best at burst and best at DPS. Just as I predicted before patch hit, when everyone was betting on DK to continue to be the king.

    Maybe single target burst, but I'm not rolling in and dropping 5-6 at a time like I do on my necro.

  • ManDraKE
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    Haven't got time to play in the last few months, but i tune some streams from time to time as background and is hilarious that 90% of the players that we playing mDK last patch are all now playing bowsorcs.PvP has always had meta-hoppers but this time is too obvious lol

    I dont see stealth cloak working on BGs anymore if DoT damage supression was removed. Cloak blades already struggled a lot vs some setups that are hard counter like mDKs and bowsorcs. Without DoT damage suppresion, invis cloak is dead, specially on BGs (on CP enable you can probably still get away with it). I will have to switch to the healing morph for the first time ever
  • Syrusthevirus187
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    Initial impression? To many flag game roleplayer tank/healer [Snip] which creates a huge absence of actual pvp in what used to be a fun pvp experience when it was all tdm.

    [Edited for baiting]
    Edited by ZOS_Volpe on June 10, 2022 6:51PM
  • Theignson
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    I am seeing many Stamsorc bow builds. They re all wearing Savage werewolf, but I can't figure out why-- it doesn't seem to be a great set and the damage from the bleed isnt high.
    But the crystal weapon is just melting me!
    Maybe Savage werewolf is in a build somewhere that everyone is just copying?

    Lots of one shot gank builds both NB and DKs.
    Crystal weapon was overbuffed.
    Lots of werewolves even though brokensoul only adds a few things to werewolf buffs
    Overall it is kind of fun to be trying new builds but lots of stuff is out of balance imo
    2 GOs, an overlord and bunches of prefects etc-- all classes...I've wasted a lot of time in PVP
  • divnyi
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    Theignson wrote: »
    Maybe Savage werewolf is in a build somewhere that everyone is just copying?

    Yes. Marrochir made a guide on Reddit. And he himself absolutely destroys in group q, oftentimes wipes both teams clean.
    Theignson wrote: »
    They re all wearing Savage werewolf, but I can't figure out why-- it doesn't seem to be a great set and the damage from the bleed isnt high.

    There is no cooldown, and first bleed tick happens right after light/heavy attack. Which practically means this:

    You LA first time, it procs and do damage, applies dot.
    You do second LA. Dot ticks for damage. Arrow has flight time, then it hits. Procs, applies damage, reapplies dot.
    ^ two procs per second. Yep, broken.
    Theignson wrote: »
    But the crystal weapon is just melting me!

    Called it.
  • Theignson
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    divnyi wrote: »

    Yes. Marrochir made a guide on Reddit. And he himself absolutely destroys in group q, oftentimes wipes both teams clean.

    There is no cooldown, and first bleed tick happens right after light/heavy attack. Which practically means this:

    You LA first time, it procs and do damage, applies dot.
    You do second LA. Dot ticks for damage. Arrow has flight time, then it hits. Procs, applies damage, reapplies dot.
    ^ two procs per second. Yep, broken.

    Called it.

    Thanks for your posts, always helpful!

    So this new sorc bow build is not an Oakensoul build?
    2 GOs, an overlord and bunches of prefects etc-- all classes...I've wasted a lot of time in PVP
  • divnyi
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    Theignson wrote: »

    Thanks for your posts, always helpful!

    So this new sorc bow build is not an Oakensoul build?

    Yep, it's not Oaken. I saw him using different ultimates.
    Also, the build:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/ujbo2q/stamina_sorcerer_pvp_build_update_bowbow/
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