advice on the crystal weapon change

Browiseth

hiya, resident stam sorc here

so i really like the change to crystal weapon (being able to trigger twice per cast) but i'm not exactly sure what it means for a stam sorc rotation. with the extra chance to proc per cast, i feel like there's this empty space in the rotation without a skill being weaved in, and i'm trying to figure out what skill would be best to weave in there.

my initial thought is to simply slot a second spammable to weave in, and as a vampire character i'm leaning towards eviscerate (arterial burst) but i would love any advice people could give!

Mr_Stach

You could do that, kind of curious how the sustain would stack up, which will still probably be ok since it won't cost stam for Arterial Burst either way.

If you're good on Sustain you could weave in Wrecking Blows from 2H to empower your lights along with Crystal Weapon.

Browiseth

Mr_Stach wrote: »

You could do that, kind of curious how the sustain would stack up, which will still probably be ok since it won't cost stam for Arterial Burst either way.

If you're good on Sustain you could weave in Wrecking Blows from 2H to empower your lights along with Crystal Weapon.

hey stach, thanks for the advice brother

my 2h bar is actually reserved for dots/buffs so with how my skills/gear is set up it works out that i want my main dps bar to be the front bar dw (probably should've explained my build a bit more in the op tbh...)

i've only played around a teeny bit with the setup so far since we've got maintenance on at the moment, but sustain seems alright. it helps i'm an argonian so 1) 1000 extra magicka for spamming eviscerate and 2) potion passive is amazing for staying topped off on all resources regardless of the potion type

hope they make frost wardens a thing soon btw

its never gonna happen

Mr_Stach

Yeah, I'm hoping Magden is even on their list.

But for what you're looking at, I think Artieral burst would be best case scenario. Or a good ol Hidden Blade could hit in nice. It really falls down to what feels good.

Dracane

I used it one magsorc and use Force Shock as a 2nd spammable. I have no idea if that is optimal, but it feels right somehow,

jaws343

Dracane wrote: »

I used it one magsorc and use Force Shock as a 2nd spammable. I have no idea if that is optimal, but it feels right somehow,

When the patch drops on console I plan on swapping the frag morph to crystal weapon. Pre-loading with crystal weapon and casting alongside crushing shock. Should be able to land Fury, Curse, light attack, crystal weapon, and crushing shock (+enchantment) all within the same burst window. It may do less damage, and have a cost, compared to frags, but it is pretty much a guaranteed "proc" whenever you want it. Which kind of out does frags a bit imo, since frags sometimes doesn't proc when you need it most.

But that is for PVP. For PVE, I will either keep frag, or drop crushing and swap to crystal weapon altogether. Maybe swap in a dot, or some other passive skill.

Didgerion

Browiseth wrote: »

hiya, resident stam sorc here

so i really like the change to crystal weapon (being able to trigger twice per cast) but i'm not exactly sure what it means for a stam sorc rotation. with the extra chance to proc per cast, i feel like there's this empty space in the rotation without a skill being weaved in, and i'm trying to figure out what skill would be best to weave in there.

my initial thought is to simply slot a second spammable to weave in, and as a vampire character i'm leaning towards eviscerate (arterial burst) but i would love any advice people could give!

Maybe Elemental Weapon?

jaws343

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Browiseth wrote: »

hiya, resident stam sorc here

so i really like the change to crystal weapon (being able to trigger twice per cast) but i'm not exactly sure what it means for a stam sorc rotation. with the extra chance to proc per cast, i feel like there's this empty space in the rotation without a skill being weaved in, and i'm trying to figure out what skill would be best to weave in there.

my initial thought is to simply slot a second spammable to weave in, and as a vampire character i'm leaning towards eviscerate (arterial burst) but i would love any advice people could give!

Maybe Elemental Weapon?

I thought they removed the ability for these two to stack a patch or two ago? Or was it just the stam morph of ele weapon?

Dracane

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Dracane wrote: »

I used it one magsorc and use Force Shock as a 2nd spammable. I have no idea if that is optimal, but it feels right somehow,

When the patch drops on console I plan on swapping the frag morph to crystal weapon. Pre-loading with crystal weapon and casting alongside crushing shock. Should be able to land Fury, Curse, light attack, crystal weapon, and crushing shock (+enchantment) all within the same burst window. It may do less damage, and have a cost, compared to frags, but it is pretty much a guaranteed "proc" whenever you want it. Which kind of out does frags a bit imo, since frags sometimes doesn't proc when you need it most.

But that is for PVP. For PVE, I will either keep frag, or drop crushing and swap to crystal weapon altogether. Maybe swap in a dot, or some other passive skill.

I should have said, I meant this for PVE. Though I intend on using crystal weapons in PVP as well. It should be a lot more versatile and powerful if you can manage the stamina problem.

Dracane

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Didgerion wrote: »

Browiseth wrote: »

hiya, resident stam sorc here

so i really like the change to crystal weapon (being able to trigger twice per cast) but i'm not exactly sure what it means for a stam sorc rotation. with the extra chance to proc per cast, i feel like there's this empty space in the rotation without a skill being weaved in, and i'm trying to figure out what skill would be best to weave in there.

my initial thought is to simply slot a second spammable to weave in, and as a vampire character i'm leaning towards eviscerate (arterial burst) but i would love any advice people could give!

Maybe Elemental Weapon?

I thought they removed the ability for these two to stack a patch or two ago? Or was it just the stam morph of ele weapon?

This has been removed indeed. Both versions.

aaisoaho

Stam sorcs get the most oomph out of the crystal weapon, if they aim to use it as their every second skill. That means your rotation should be close to:
CW > Stampede > CW > Bound armaments > CW > Carve > CW > Bound armaments > CW >... Etc.

As you weave, the first proc of CW will happen on the weave of the next skill and the second proc will happen from the weave of next crystal weapon. It will ofc start to become a lot harder and you need to do quick decisions of when to CW, when to use bound armaments etc when you start caring about the uptimes too. Also do note using the CW as your every second skill is expensive and you cannot do it on a non-sustain race, so you need to find balance there to maximise CWs without burning all of your stamina.

MudcrabAttack

aaisoaho wrote: »

Stam sorcs get the most oomph out of the crystal weapon, if they aim to use it as their every second skill. That means your rotation should be close to:
CW > Stampede > CW > Bound armaments > CW > Carve > CW > Bound armaments > CW >... Etc.

As you weave, the first proc of CW will happen on the weave of the next skill and the second proc will happen from the weave of next crystal weapon. It will ofc start to become a lot harder and you need to do quick decisions of when to CW, when to use bound armaments etc when you start caring about the uptimes too. Also do note using the CW as your every second skill is expensive and you cannot do it on a non-sustain race, so you need to find balance there to maximise CWs without burning all of your stamina.

Pretty much this.

If crystal weapon is every other skill and bound armaments is every 4th skill, you really just need to do something with the remaining 4th skill between those casts. Applying a DOT makes best sense. After looking up arterial burst I’m surprised it’s not bleed damage for extra hemorrhage status, like vampires just deal magic damage for some odd reason. Maybe they’re too clean with it

I tried out a master destruction staff and used just flame reach in every 4th cast, to maximize the 600 weapon damage buff from the staff. Just three skills over and over on front bar with the oakensoul ring, ranged build

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