Code of Conduct Questions ?

WeylandLabs

The verbiage " we do not allow protests of misconduct in game " is that accurate ?

As someone who would agree with protesting misconduct, however how misconduct is looked at and /or being used is what I am trying to gauge ?

I would assume misconduct would be the defined and referenced as to the Oxford dictionary.

1. Unacceptable or improper behavior, especially by an employee or professional person.
2. Mismanagement, especially culpable neglect of duties.
3. Behave in an improper or unprofessional manner.
4. Mismanage (duties or a project).

My question is: If a person or persons at ZOS deems the behavior improper, can the person instruct the language to line up with there own personal views or morality standards ?

I ask this because the word "misconduct" is can be referred in a sense to have some bias from personal morality/culturally opinions vs what it actually means.

I can give examples if someone would help me understand this ?

Mr_Stach

The way that I read it is if someone does crappy thing, do not publicly shame them. If you do, you will be most likely reported for "Harassment". Crappy people often use the TOS to bait and trap people who call out their own terrible behavior.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter how you or I interpret the Rules, it's how Zos does. People will abuse this, so my best advise is to report and keep your head down.

FluffyReachWitch

I think petitions, protests, and public accusations of misconduct are meant to be read as three separate items here.

Tandor

I can't really work out what you're trying to clarify. Your definitions of misconduct seem to point to behaviour by ZOS, in which case if you're talking about objecting about their actions you're better off raising that with them privately rather than on the forum. If on the other hand you're referring to misconduct by other players then you're better off reporting them through a ticket and not discussing it publicly.

WeylandLabs

FluffyReachWitch wrote: »

I think petitions, protests, and public accusations of misconduct are meant to be read as three separate items here.

Agreed that's how the language it written, as I stated " we do not allow protests in game " as an example.

Mr_Stach

I protest the Mishandling of Warden every day about and they haven't shut me down yet.

BUT if I were to start jabbering about current Events or Politics, you can bet that would get locked down fast

WeylandLabs

Mr_Stach wrote: »

The way that I read it is if someone does crappy thing, do not publicly shame them. If you do, you will be most likely reported for "Harassment". Crappy people often use the TOS to bait and trap people who call out their own terrible behavior.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter how you or I interpret the Rules, it's how Zos does. People will abuse this, so my best advise is to report and keep your head down.

Absolutely ! That's why I am trying to understand, how they interpret the rules and if its correct or can bias towards subjects be proven ?

WeylandLabs

Mr_Stach wrote: »

I protest the Mishandling of Warden every day about and they haven't shut me down yet.

BUT if I were to start jabbering about current Events or Politics, you can bet that would get locked down fast

Very smart you see where I am going with this ? 😂

WeylandLabs

Mr_Stach wrote: »

I protest the Mishandling of Warden every day about and they haven't shut me down yet.

BUT if I were to start jabbering about current Events or Politics, you can bet that would get locked down fast

So how would those talking points of real world events be deemed as misconduct or would there be blatant bias towards the issue ?

I am trying to relate both the issues ?

For instance speaking of the war in Ukraine and Russia we have both Ukrainian players that play and Russian players that play ESO. And if an American has input towards the matter how is that looked at towards misconduct, if they are not saying anything bad or upsetting towards anyone and just expressing a viewpoint ?

Deter1UK

'Misconduct will be defined as 'in breach of ZOS' Community Rules which are comprehensively laid out in writing:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/502832/community-rules#latest

And also (I guess) the Terms and Conditions that you agree to each time they are updated.

Not an arbitrary reference to any particular persons sense of morality (which is what I think you are asking?)


Also, the other important bit is-

'in chatrooms, forums or in games'

In other words if you have a problem report it to ZOS privately and let them deal wih it.

Mr_Stach

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

Mr_Stach wrote: »

I protest the Mishandling of Warden every day about and they haven't shut me down yet.

BUT if I were to start jabbering about current Events or Politics, you can bet that would get locked down fast

So how would those talking points of real world events be deemed as misconduct or would there be blatant bias towards the issue ?

I am trying to relate both the issues ?

For instance speaking of the war in Ukraine and Russia we have both Ukrainian players that play and Russian players that play ESO. And if an American has input towards the matter how is that looked at towards misconduct, if they are not saying anything bad or upsetting towards anyone and just expressing a viewpoint ?

All of it. Just keep any world views off the Table. If it doesn't specifically affect ESO, I'd take it somewhere else.

Deter1UK

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

Mr_Stach wrote: »

I protest the Mishandling of Warden every day about and they haven't shut me down yet.

BUT if I were to start jabbering about current Events or Politics, you can bet that would get locked down fast

So how would those talking points of real world events be deemed as misconduct or would there be blatant bias towards the issue ?

I am trying to relate both the issues ?

For instance speaking of the war in Ukraine and Russia we have both Ukrainian players that play and Russian players that play ESO. And if an American has input towards the matter how is that looked at towards misconduct, if they are not saying anything bad or upsetting towards anyone and just expressing a viewpoint ?

EASY!

Inappropriate content on the ESO forums includes, but is not limited to the following:

Extreme violence
Illegal substances and activities
Pirated copyright-protected material
Pornography and other sexually explicit topics
Real-world religion and politics
Tasteless, vulgar, or obscene material

(my embolding)

WeylandLabs

Deter1UK wrote: »

'Misconduct will be defined as 'in breach of ZOS' Community Rules which are comprehensively laid out in writing:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/502832/community-rules#latest

And also (I guess) the Terms and Conditions that you agree to each time they are updated.

Not an arbitrary reference to any particular persons sense of morality (which is what I think you are asking?)


Also, the other important bit is-

'in chatrooms, forums or in games'

In other words if you have a problem report it to ZOS privately and let them deal wih it.

The hyperlink is subjective towards the forums and forums alone, I am speaking towards ingame. Also the word misconduct is not in the community rules however the code of conduct is everything.

No my underlying objective is to understand ingame misconduct and not forum banter.

If players can create anything to be upset or offended by is that gauged as misconduct ? I have no problem with anyone in ESO, but I do have a problem with immoral humane ideologies that are influenced by popular players.

WeylandLabs

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

Deter1UK wrote: »

'Misconduct will be defined as 'in breach of ZOS' Community Rules which are comprehensively laid out in writing:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/502832/community-rules#latest

And also (I guess) the Terms and Conditions that you agree to each time they are updated.

Not an arbitrary reference to any particular persons sense of morality (which is what I think you are asking?)


Also, the other important bit is-

'in chatrooms, forums or in games'

In other words if you have a problem report it to ZOS privately and let them deal wih it.

The hyperlink is subjective towards the forums and forums alone, I am speaking towards ingame. Also the word misconduct is not in the community rules however the code of conduct is everything.

No my underlying objective is to understand ingame misconduct and not forum banter.

If players can create anything to be upset or offended by is that gauged as misconduct ? I have no problem with anyone in ESO, but I do have a problem with immoral inhumane ideologies that are influenced by popular players.

WeylandLabs

[/quote]

EASY!

Inappropriate content on the ESO forums includes, but is not limited to the following:

Extreme violence
Illegal substances and activities
Pirated copyright-protected material
Pornography and other sexually explicit topics
Real-world religion and politics
Tasteless, vulgar, or obscene material

(my embolding)[/quote]

I am speaking of your game account code of conduct and not the forums code of conduct.

Forums Code of Conduct : https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/502832/community-rules#latest

Entire Game account of Code of Conduct : https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/code-of-conduct

Deter1UK

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

The hyperlink is subjective towards the forums and forums alone,

It really isn't -

'The ESO Community Code of Conduct is intended to be your guide for all activity and interactions within the ESO community'

As what you are hinting at probably cannot be discussed in public and I have no idea what it is we should probably end the discussion here.

Peace

Amottica

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

[1. Unacceptable or improper behavior, especially by an employee or professional person.

This would essentially be what Zenimax is looking at. Each incident would be looked at on a case-by-case basis. There is not a hard line drawn in the sand though there is certainly some behavior that would be an obvious conflict.

One thing to understand is the forums and the gamer is a private areas owned by Zenimax. Even our characters, mounts, homes, etc., are owned by Zenimax. They define was is acceptable.

WeylandLabs

Deter1UK wrote: »

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

The hyperlink is subjective towards the forums and forums alone,

It really isn't -

'The ESO Community Code of Conduct is intended to be your guide for all activity and interactions within the ESO community'

As what you are hinting at probably cannot be discussed in public and I have no idea what it is we should probably end the discussion here.

Peace

I am asking the ESO community to help me understand the ESO account code of conduct more. As to what I am hinting at, what is public ?

* Forums ?
* Ingame ?
* IRL

I'm sorry you feel confused I do not wish to say what it is I am really trying to do without educating myself on the matter. A practice I feel everyone should do before they do anything in game or in the real world.

Telling me to end the discussion here is clearly your way of trying have a mod end my post, because of your capacity to not truly understand my underlying intentions. So it comes out as frustration and retaliatory to me if the mod can or would be able to decipher the two debates.

But you said peace so I take it as you are not wanting to help me - understood. 👍

VaranisArano

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

Mr_Stach wrote: »

I protest the Mishandling of Warden every day about and they haven't shut me down yet.

BUT if I were to start jabbering about current Events or Politics, you can bet that would get locked down fast

So how would those talking points of real world events be deemed as misconduct or would there be blatant bias towards the issue ?

I am trying to relate both the issues ?

For instance speaking of the war in Ukraine and Russia we have both Ukrainian players that play and Russian players that play ESO. And if an American has input towards the matter how is that looked at towards misconduct, if they are not saying anything bad or upsetting towards anyone and just expressing a viewpoint ?

An example of a player-organized event that was permitted in-game is this march for peace: https://massivelyop.com/2022/02/28/elder-scrolls-online-players-stage-in-game-peace-walks-through-cyrodiil-in-support-of-ukraine/

WeylandLabs

Amottica wrote: »

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

[1. Unacceptable or improper behavior, especially by an employee or professional person.

This would essentially be what Zenimax is looking at. Each incident would be looked at on a case-by-case basis. There is not a hard line drawn in the sand though there is certainly some behavior that would be an obvious conflict.

One thing to understand is the forums and the gamer is a private areas owned by Zenimax. Even our characters, mounts, homes, etc., are owned by Zenimax. They define was is acceptable.

What I am saying is what we can and cannot talk in the game ?

The case by case basis of includes, but is not limited to discussion.




EXAMPLE : For instance if we cannot speak or talk about religion - can we RP or make up our own religion aka starting IRL a cult technically ? For petes sake not saying I or anyone will make one but contextually speaking this could have validity.

This is an example not my intention 😂

WeylandLabs

VaranisArano wrote: »

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

Mr_Stach wrote: »

I protest the Mishandling of Warden every day about and they haven't shut me down yet.

BUT if I were to start jabbering about current Events or Politics, you can bet that would get locked down fast

So how would those talking points of real world events be deemed as misconduct or would there be blatant bias towards the issue ?

I am trying to relate both the issues ?

For instance speaking of the war in Ukraine and Russia we have both Ukrainian players that play and Russian players that play ESO. And if an American has input towards the matter how is that looked at towards misconduct, if they are not saying anything bad or upsetting towards anyone and just expressing a viewpoint ?

An example of a player-organized event that was permitted in-game is this march for peace: https://massivelyop.com/2022/02/28/elder-scrolls-online-players-stage-in-game-peace-walks-through-cyrodiil-in-support-of-ukraine/

Oh absolutely ! this was amazing ... and support this 1000%

What I'm saying is if I started a stop gun violence campaign and or guild in America / PCNA Server how is that looked at since people/players will try to justify gun violence.

To me that is really sick but to them its normal so we have a bit of an issue ? Especially if one person at Zenimax looks at it differently this could be what I am trying to figure out.