Ground AoEs are Weird

Mr_Stach

Big update on the Ground AoE's
I've Added in Arctic Blast, Caltrops, Extended Ritual, Hurricane, and Boundless Storm.
I've Removed Fungal Growth & Healing Ritual, for a look into Burst Heals Later.

AcadianPaladin

Due to recent scaling changes, anyone can use Vigor pretty effectively as an AoE heal. Admittedly it is not a AoE on the ground. Limited options if you don't want to slot a resto staff on one bar.

Mr_Stach

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

Due to recent scaling changes, anyone can use Vigor pretty effectively as an AoE heal. Admittedly it is not a AoE on the ground. Limited options if you don't want to slot a resto staff on one bar.

That's fair!

I also completely forgot about Vigor.

That's been updated and I also forgot how absurdly large Echoing Vigor's Radius is. 15m is nuts

Artim_X

The power surge morph of surge is the AoE heal for sorcs. Although it isn't a ground AoE.

Invoke Meridia's name to gain Major Brutality and Major Sorcery, increasing your Weapon Damage and Spell Damage by 20% for 33 seconds. While active, activating a Critical heal causes the ability to heal you and your allies around you for 2550 Health. This effect can occur once every 3 seconds.

New effect
The heal now heals in an area around you but with a longer cooldown, and only triggers off Critical healing.

Mr_Stach

Artim_X wrote: »

The power surge morph of surge is the aoe heal for sorcs.

Invoke Meridia's name to gain Major Brutality and Major Sorcery, increasing your Weapon Damage and Spell Damage by 20% for 33 seconds. While active, activating a Critical heal causes the ability to heal you and your allies around you for 2550 Health. This effect can occur once every 3 seconds.

New effect
The heal now heals in an area around you but with a longer cooldown, and only triggers off Critical healing.

That's a good point, but it's still a bit different, It's more in line with skills like Green Lotus than with Ground AoE's

Mr_Stach

Also. I know it's not healing, but have you seen how big Expansive Frost cloak is now?

It's actually Ridiculous

WrathOfInnos

Interesting diagrams, I haven't seen the sizes of skills compared so cleanly before.

Are you sure about Unstable Wall vs Blockade size? My understanding was that both had the same range/length/radius of 18m, but the width increased from 8m to 12m with the Blockade morph.

I'll also take the opportunity to complain about Liquid Lightning. It is simultaneously the lowest damage and smallest size of any ground DoT.

Mr_Stach

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Interesting diagrams, I haven't seen the sizes of skills compared so cleanly before.

Are you sure about Unstable Wall vs Blockade size? My understanding was that both had the same range/length/radius of 18m, but the width increased from 8m to 12m with the Blockade morph.

I'll also take the opportunity to complain about Liquid Lightning. It is simultaneously the lowest damage and smallest size of any ground DoT.

I left the 1 out of 18. It's all updated

ESO_Nightingale

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Interesting diagrams, I haven't seen the sizes of skills compared so cleanly before.

Are you sure about Unstable Wall vs Blockade size? My understanding was that both had the same range/length/radius of 18m, but the width increased from 8m to 12m with the Blockade morph.

I'll also take the opportunity to complain about Liquid Lightning. It is simultaneously the lowest damage and smallest size of any ground DoT.

i will die on the "lightning splash should get 100% concussed chance proc every tick" hill

Vaoh

Personally I’d like to see ZOS focus on the gameplay aspect of abilities rather than tooltips. Ex:
- Interaction with the environment... Lightning Splash electrifying up to 20 meters of any water surface it is connected to and dealing more damage.
- Unique ways to traverse terrain/have uses in trials.... A fourth Warden skill line granting an option to form shallow water surfaces, with Winter’s Revenge being able to freeze a portion of the water to form bridges or gain bonuses to other abilities.
- Flame enemies (like Flame Atronachs) being highly resistant to Flame Damage and susceptible to Frost Damage. Same for all the elements in the ways they’d make sense. This would push us into caring about more factors in a class rather than only the pure DPS we do. Much more room for identity than granting Minor Sorcery, Minor Prophecy, etc.

karekiz

Vaoh wrote: »

- Flame enemies (like Flame Atronachs) being highly resistant to Flame Damage and susceptible to Frost Damage. Same for all the elements in the ways they’d make sense. This would push us into caring about more factors in a class rather than only the pure DPS we do. Much more room for identity than granting Minor Sorcery, Minor Prophecy, etc.

Mobs used to have specific resists similar to what you were talking about. They were removed though.

Mr_Stach

I mean when your class does primarily "X Damage" like DK with Fire, suddenly having most your kit be ineffective doesn't feel good. Do I think that having a damage triangle type thing would be interesting? Yes.

But with how ESO is built, it would probably get negative reactions to add a Damage Triangle for Elements.

ESO_Nightingale

Vaoh wrote: »

- Flame enemies (like Flame Atronachs) being highly resistant to Flame Damage and susceptible to Frost Damage. Same for all the elements in the ways they’d make sense. This would push us into caring about more factors in a class rather than only the pure DPS we do. Much more room for identity than granting Minor Sorcery, Minor Prophecy, etc.

that sounds incredibly obnoxious. no thanks.

Vaoh

Mr_Stach wrote: »

I mean when your class does primarily "X Damage" like DK with Fire, suddenly having most your kit be ineffective doesn't feel good. Do I think that having a damage triangle type thing would be interesting? Yes.

But with how ESO is built, it would probably get negative reactions to add a Damage Triangle for Elements.

Well like anything it has to be tested heavily and balanced. Many enemies would not change at all or would only have minor changes. Ex. A Frost Mage NPC taking 5-10% less frost damage, but 5-10% more flame damage.

But it’s also related to the current stat system which I take a lot of issues with. Ever since I started this game I’ve disliked how unnecessarily complex the stat system is.... a huge part of the reason damage feels low in dungeons or trials is because people don’t understand scaling and because the group didn’t read online or pull out calculators to get their penetration values correct lol. Idk another game that “Adds 659 Crit Chance” either.

I’m going to make a post later in the week about changing stats because I have a lot of thoughts on the topic.