PvP Tierlist for Ascending Tide

VarisVaris

Hello everyone, it has been quite some time since we've come around to doing this but just like a certain Creative Director said "no one leaves the scrolls".

PvP balance undergoes massive balance shake ups about as frequently as some daedric prince decides to invade Tamriel and the last few patches have of course been no exception, well maybe they have. The changes that were introduced with Ascending Tides have resulted in something as unlikely as a magicka dragonknight dying this patch, for the first time in years playing a "hybrid" is more viable than choosing to spec into one respective resource. While this is only limited to one class (nightblade) and is only limited to a single playstyle it is something one would have been laughed at until the first details of the Ascending Tide patch notes were released.

The step of making almost every ability scale with your highest stat altered the game more significantly than any single patch did in the last 5 years and that is saying something. A change of this magnitude will of course come with a lot of drawbacks, most notably a big jump in survivability as every specs gained access to new toys that keep them alive. Speaking of being immortal, cross healing hasn't seen any limitations in Ascending Tide and you can bet that bringing radiating regen to a small scale group is still key to being invited in the first place. With the hybrid changes stamina specs are now free to use a resto staff on their backbar but in practice one will generally bring the magicka version of the respective class for smallscale. The two obvious exceptions here are stamden being the better choice over magden in any occasion (lol at the magden nerfs coming with next patch I mean we know poop is a good fertilizer but you can also go a little too far) and stamina sorc or precisely bowsorc being a better choice for BG compositions than magicka sorcs.
When looking at the whole picture a trend from the last few patches has continued with three individual specs namely magicka dragonknight, templar and necromancer being on top of every single list with magicka dragonknight coming out on top for obvious reasons currently. With High Isles on the horizon packed with some nerfs for both magicka templar and dragonknight we are happy to see how things evolve but as of right now, no one dares to rival the big three on top of the food chain.

With those words I like to finish this introduction to this patch's PvP Tier list and are eagerly waiting for what you think about it.

Mr_Stach

Hopefully the good ol Zos Rubberband Effect will Shoot Magdens up to somewhere useful soon. This is not our Shining Moment.

Mr_Stach

Also as a Side note, it feels like Hybridization really helped out Stam more than it helped Mag setups.

Stam now has access to more potent Magicka Morphs which helps sustain, more powerful heals. While Mag is already using (in many cases) the more potent skills and don't generally have the sustain or resources to use Stam Morphs due to the Core Abilities (Block, Dodge, Sprint, Break Free) being a higher priority.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Clearly, we need to Nerf Sorc.

ESO_Nightingale

VarisVaris wrote: »

The two obvious exceptions here are stamden being the better choice over magden in any occasion (lol at the magden nerfs coming with next patch I mean we know poop is a good fertilizer but you can also go a little too far)

I'M DEAD LOL. zos didn't just go too far, they refused to listen at all. never in my time on this forum have i seen the warden community be this up in arms about zos's warden changes only to see absolutely everything of major concern during the subsequent incrementals be addressed in some form with warden entirely missing.

we echoed the same thing that boils down to:

"please for the love of all that is holy, just make arctic blast an offensive ranged stun with double duration so it can be used in pve"

we got silence. no changes, no word. just nothing.

amazing.

Necrotech_Master

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

VarisVaris wrote: »

The two obvious exceptions here are stamden being the better choice over magden in any occasion (lol at the magden nerfs coming with next patch I mean we know poop is a good fertilizer but you can also go a little too far)

I'M DEAD LOL. zos didn't just go too far, they refused to listen at all. never in my time on this forum have i seen the warden community be this up in arms about zos's warden changes only to see absolutely everything of major concern during the subsequent incrementals be addressed in some form with warden entirely missing.

we echoed the same thing that boils down to:

"please for the love of all that is holy, just make arctic blast an offensive ranged stun with double duration so it can be used in pve"

we got silence. no changes, no word. just nothing.

amazing.

it was a lot but i dont think it quite hit the level of the AWA implementation feedback being 100+ pages then getting a half-baked response that had nothing to do with it lol

Mr_Stach

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

VarisVaris wrote: »

The two obvious exceptions here are stamden being the better choice over magden in any occasion (lol at the magden nerfs coming with next patch I mean we know poop is a good fertilizer but you can also go a little too far)

I'M DEAD LOL. zos didn't just go too far, they refused to listen at all. never in my time on this forum have i seen the warden community be this up in arms about zos's warden changes only to see absolutely everything of major concern during the subsequent incrementals be addressed in some form with warden entirely missing.

we echoed the same thing that boils down to:

"please for the love of all that is holy, just make arctic blast an offensive ranged stun with double duration so it can be used in pve"

we got silence. no changes, no word. just nothing.

amazing.

it was a lot but i dont think it quite hit the level of the AWA implementation feedback being 100+ pages then getting a half-baked response that had nothing to do with it lol

That's fair, we haven't even had a half baked response though

katanagirl1

Excellent graphic presentation of data!

I have to say lately though that I get my butt kicked by stamsorcs more than anything else in 1v1. I’m playing magsorc right now.

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AdamLAD

I think Mag Sorc Is lower than B. Only thing we have is mobility and damage. Everything else about it is absolutely garbage in comparison to every other class. Where is its healing without a Pet ? And Dark Deal and its morphs which has a cast time and can be interrupted. Where is its defence? Do NOT say sheilds. They are utterly garbage. They can easily be brought down. Nerf and after nerf. We spend more time casting roll dodge and streak than anything else. Class has become a run away simulator. And the only extremely good burst we have is from overload spam which is actually the cheesiest way to pay. The class has been nerfed for years. Literally only magblade and mag warden are worse. Still tho im glad people are recognising is absolutely not that good anymore

Parasaurolophus

Too late....

ResidentContrarian

Warden is seriously underestimated ...

Mr_Stach

ResidentContrarian wrote: »

Warden is seriously underestimated ...

Warden is seriously lacking basic tools in It's kit to be really competitive. When they add an on demand stun, Give wings Snare/imob Immunity, a burst heal that scales off Max resources instead of health, a sustain passive that doesn't require you healing someone else.

I would say Warden is very Estimated. You can currently make do, but why struggle on Warden when you could excel on Magplar or mDK.

ESO_Nightingale

Mr_Stach wrote: »

ResidentContrarian wrote: »

Warden is seriously underestimated ...

Warden is seriously lacking basic tools in It's kit to be really competitive. When they add an on demand stun, Give wings Snare/imob Immunity, a burst heal that scales off Max resources instead of health, a sustain passive that doesn't require you healing someone else.

I would say Warden is very Estimated. You can currently make do, but why struggle on Warden when you could excel on Magplar or mDK.

VERY estimated. i know a lot of the players who participated in that discussion, they are far better than i'll ever be.

Mr_Stach

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Mr_Stach wrote: »

ResidentContrarian wrote: »

Warden is seriously underestimated ...

Warden is seriously lacking basic tools in It's kit to be really competitive. When they add an on demand stun, Give wings Snare/imob Immunity, a burst heal that scales off Max resources instead of health, a sustain passive that doesn't require you healing someone else.

I would say Warden is very Estimated. You can currently make do, but why struggle on Warden when you could excel on Magplar or mDK.

VERY estimated. i know a lot of the players who participated in that discussion, they are far better than i'll ever be.

Yeah as long as Warden lacks important tools like a good stun, we're gonna ride the struggle bus.

ESO_Nightingale

Mr_Stach wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Mr_Stach wrote: »

ResidentContrarian wrote: »

Warden is seriously underestimated ...

Warden is seriously lacking basic tools in It's kit to be really competitive. When they add an on demand stun, Give wings Snare/imob Immunity, a burst heal that scales off Max resources instead of health, a sustain passive that doesn't require you healing someone else.

I would say Warden is very Estimated. You can currently make do, but why struggle on Warden when you could excel on Magplar or mDK.

VERY estimated. i know a lot of the players who participated in that discussion, they are far better than i'll ever be.

Yeah as long as Warden lacks important tools like a good stun, we're gonna ride the struggle bus.

have been for damn years. I've always despised AB3.0's stun that was ripped from permafrost.

Shadieq

I'm returning after an almost year long break and it's fascinating to see how many changes there have been, especially the whole hybridization thing. Is the "Class Discussion" Discord mentioned in the slides open for general public? I'm mostly interested in the hybrid NB as I remember that hybrid builds were indeed laughable, would love to see how people play them now when it's apparently viable.

Arrow312

AdamLAD wrote: »

I think Mag Sorc Is lower than B. Only thing we have is mobility and damage. Everything else about it is absolutely garbage in comparison to every other class. Where is its healing without a Pet ? And Dark Deal and its morphs which has a cast time and can be interrupted. Where is its defence? Do NOT say sheilds. They are utterly garbage. They can easily be brought down. Nerf and after nerf. We spend more time casting roll dodge and streak than anything else. Class has become a run away simulator. And the only extremely good burst we have is from overload spam which is actually the cheesiest way to pay. The class has been nerfed for years. Literally only magblade and mag warden are worse. Still tho im glad people are recognising is absolutely not that good anymore

For me Magsorc is C or D atm. shields are garbage...most of the time you need to recast them because they down, Heal if you find a good show me you said it right most of time dodge an streak try to get your combo up and hopefully kill someone and again dodge and streak. BTW i saw you on your blade now.

ZOS_Hadeostry

Greetings,

This thread has been moved to the Players Helping Players section, as it is better suited there.

Thanks

TechMaybeHic

I see the obvious magplar, magdkj, and mag necro that are all over the place. Curious about this hybrid NB build. Been in a fight with a few and tough buggers.