Tired of healing going to randoms.

DRTE

Smart healing? no its not. Hit a resto regen and it just fires off to random players. I'm trying to heal my buddys and it will prioritize someone at full HP outside of my group. Yet my buddy is sitting there with 25% HP.

If you are in a group Healing should go to your group mates. Not everyone around you. And it should go to the lowest HP player not some dude sitting at full HP.
The same goes for other single target heals such as cauterize. Prioritize the group first if you are going to leave cross healing in the game (Which it should go).

Another point to touch on is resto regen should NOT stack. It should be the highest HoT wins to refresh it, not stack several times rolling 3-6k HoTs.

EF321

DRTE wrote: »

Another point to touch on is resto regen should NOT stack. It should be the highest HoT wins to refresh it, not stack several times rolling 3-6k HoTs.

One regen carries SPC, Transmutation, Symphony, Hope Infusion, From the brink, Enlivening overflow, Maturation and heals for 1000 hps.
The other one... heals for 1050 hps.

DRTE

EF321 wrote: »

DRTE wrote: »

Another point to touch on is resto regen should NOT stack. It should be the highest HoT wins to refresh it, not stack several times rolling 3-6k HoTs.

One regen carries SPC, Transmutation, Symphony, Hope Infusion, From the brink, Enlivening overflow, Maturation and heals for 1000 hps.
The other one... heals for 1050 hps.

Good point but your AoE heals should also be doing that job and it would be up to the group to decide who spams what at what time not just running around spamming a HoT like its a freakin burst heal. Then the only thing i can think of is severely de tune the amount of burst potential it has since it can be stacked multiple times. To be clear. Not the HoT itself but more the initial hit. Maybe reduce the amount healed on the first tick or change it so its longer but doesn't burst heal on the first 1-2s.

Xarc

in Cyrodiil ?

Join a group.
You will heal group members in priority.

DRTE

Xarc wrote: »

in Cyrodiil ?

Join a group.
You will heal group members in priority.

Thats what i'm talking about and currently it doesn't. It goes where ever it wants.

Amottica

DRTE wrote: »

Another point to touch on is resto regen should NOT stack. It should be the highest HoT wins to refresh it, not stack several times rolling 3-6k HoTs.

I do agree overall and think DoTs of the same kind should not stack either. It is overkill

EF321

What it really needs is a toggle/keybind, prioritize group (self is solo) or "smart" healing, aka current.

Neither one solution would satisfy everyone, but having options to pick from is the best.

Luede

the spell prioritizes low hp targets unless that target already has a hot of that spell active.

Brrrofski

In PvP, I wish Rapid Regen would just always heal me when I'm solo.

There aren't many healing options as a mag sorc, so when this goes to everyone but me (because they happen to be in the radius) and I die, it's pretty infuriating.

I don't care how much HP they have. They're not in my group, it's my heal, and they're fighting around a corner. HEAL ME.

Luede

i liked the test where you could only heal yourself or your party members the best

ResidentContrarian

How about not being around randoms for the heal to go there in the first place? #s have to have a disadvantage somewhere...

AdamLAD

Healers are plague in PvP. No one wants to admit it but healers literally kill PvP. It does not matter what meta you are in. If you are fighting a dedicated healer then you will be forced into a Tank meta for that fight. Now this is amplified by the fact healing us ridiculous and theres a MASSIVE ratio of healers on my server and im pressuming others ? Fighting 2 or 3 healers in every fight and the PvP is actually so boring. No one can kill each other. No because of the Tank meta. Literally because of healers. I have always said. Cross healing needs to be for group ONLY. And needs to be reduced by like 30-50%. We need players to focus on being able to self heal more.

xMauiWaui

AdamLAD wrote: »

I have always said. Cross healing needs to be for group ONLY.

That kills Zerg play and makes Ballgroup stronger.

Is it not better to Cap the Hots per Player? So maybee 2 Hots only so you kill Ballgroups more and the Overheal on all. Or im wrong?

MEBengalsFan2001

Radiant regen doesn’t need to stack. First one gives all the prior buffs with the second simply refresh the HoT timer and adds 50 to the heal. It can be done seen this in other games

DRTE

damage to healing ratio is way out of whack across all types of healing. But since the "hybridization" everyone and their dog is running resto so we have essentially doubled down on healing across the board. Ball groups slotting vigor + regen just running around spamming heals. you can have as much damage as you like but you sure as hell aren't killing them without a massive ulti dump of a same size group and even that doesn't work half the time, hold block and heal out of it.

Heal stacking needs to go in pvp its a plague and its killing the vibe of cyrodiil.

Cuddlypuff

DRTE wrote: »

damage to healing ratio is way out of whack across all types of healing. But since the "hybridization" everyone and their dog is running resto so we have essentially doubled down on healing across the board. Ball groups slotting vigor + regen just running around spamming heals. you can have as much damage as you like but you sure as hell aren't killing them without a massive ulti dump of a same size group and even that doesn't work half the time, hold block and heal out of it.

Heal stacking needs to go in pvp its a plague and its killing the vibe of cyrodiil.

Heal stacking itself is not OP and can be easily countered with 1 GCD burst (or a good negater if they actually exist). The issue is just the lag created by crosshealing which effectively delays the 1 GCD burst window and renders the bomb useless. We run a 300 ping non-stealth bomb duo with triple damage sets without resto, radiating regen or echoing vigor and still almost never die before getting the bomb off. Groups need to stop crutching on multiple crossheals and earthgores and then wonder why they haven't got the damage to wipe any other groups (or even kill single pugs).

According to RDK, even our unsuccessful bombs consistently hit 500k dmg for ~12 targets in 1 GCD without proc damage . As you know, just 1 kill will then trigger the PB/VD chain for an extra 100-200k dmg. That dumpsters all but the sweatiest ball groups, but only if the combo can go off without lag. Just a few extra milliseconds of lag and even the most mediocre ball zerg will be saved by their next tick of 20k aggregated HOTS.

Artim_X

For the purpose of group and solo play, ZOS should consider adding an option that disables cross healing for an individual player. Of course, when entering tge Imperial City or Cyrodiil a notification should appear to let the player know that cross healing is currently disabled for them.

Smart healing in this game has always been iffy. In my experience it mostly works, but in the OP's scenario I could see a heal prioritizing a random in full divines rather than the groupmate that is almost at excute range with ult just about ready. In any case groupmate priority should be by default, regardless of other players in area. Maybe smart healing should have a cutoff where a groupmate at 60% health is treated as if they are at 1% health in relation to any randoms in the area.

IMO cross healing should stay, since the alliance you're in is in a way your default group that helps you capture and defend objectives. Healing is a big part of that and one should be permitted to save randoms in their alliance with heals when the opportunity presents itself. Victory shouldn't be determined by who has the most premades in a given fight. Ex: a keep lights up and there is 4 small ball groups at the front door, it would be unreasonable for the scattered defenders to try to randomly group with each other just to stand a chance at defending.

I fully agree that heal stacking is dumb. Logically one would think the stronger heal would win out and replace the weaker one, but nope stack away as much as you want.

However, I agree with @EF321 that the weaker heal might have more oomph via buffs and procs making it much more important than the one that is slightly stronger. In relation to what @MEBengalsFan2001 mentioned, ZOS could possibly make it so that the stronger heal just refreshes the timer and increases the overall healing while maintaining the buffs/procs from the weaker heal (ex: even though the heal used by one player is weaker than another, they can still use the heal to activate buffs and procs).

MEBengalsFan2001

Artim_X wrote: »

For the purpose of group and solo play, ZOS should consider adding an option that disables cross healing for an individual player. Of course, when entering tge Imperial City or Cyrodiil a notification should appear to let the player know that cross healing is currently disabled for them.

Smart healing in this game has always been iffy. In my experience it mostly works, but in the OP's scenario I could see a heal prioritizing a random in full divines rather than the groupmate that is almost at excute range with ult just about ready. In any case groupmate priority should be by default, regardless of other players in area. Maybe smart healing should have a cutoff where a groupmate at 60% health is treated as if they are at 1% health in relation to any randoms in the area.

IMO cross healing should stay, since the alliance you're in is in a way your default group that helps you capture and defend objectives. Healing is a big part of that and one should be permitted to save randoms in their alliance with heals when the opportunity presents itself. Victory shouldn't be determined by who has the most premades in a given fight. Ex: a keep lights up and there is 4 small ball groups at the front door, it would be unreasonable for the scattered defenders to try to randomly group with each other just to stand a chance at defending.

I fully agree that heal stacking is dumb. Logically one would think the stronger heal would win out and replace the weaker one, but nope stack away as much as you want.

However, I agree with @EF321 that the weaker heal might have more oomph via buffs and procs making it much more important than the one that is slightly stronger. In relation to what @MEBengalsFan2001 mentioned, ZOS could possibly make it so that the stronger heal just refreshes the timer and increases the overall healing while maintaining the buffs/procs from the weaker heal (ex: even though the heal used by one player is weaker than another, they can still use the heal to activate buffs and procs).

It should be turned off in PVP zones when not in groups automatically.

xDeusEJRx

ResidentContrarian wrote: »

How about not being around randoms for the heal to go there in the first place? #s have to have a disadvantage somewhere...

That's implying everyone plays with randoms. I play strictly solo in pvp, not the solo where you're running with greenbars. I engage in fights on my own, but there are times where greenbars join in fights that i started and start receiving heals I use for myself. I can't control whether or not my heals go to randoms who join in my fight.

I think game should have an option to prioritize yourself when healing over other players