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Nightblade Consuming Darkness Ult
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endgamesmug✭✭✭✭Im trying to remember what it used to be before nerfs, 60% damage mitigation 70% snare/slow? Big heal on synergy something like that0 -
YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭chessalavakia_ESO wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »SandandStars wrote: »Permafrost.
Some wardens use the bear for a random big hit, but generally it’s as ludicrous and un-fun an ultimate as you could imagine.
Permafrost is good in PvP. The same cannot be said for Consuming Darkness.
Isn't Permafrost basically Veil of Blades cousin?
If one works and the other doesn't it doesn't seem like you'd need to change much to make the other work.
No, Permafrost is actually good.
People will look at the lower tooltip vs. Northern Storm but what they're forgetting is the auto-proc of Chilled (which also procs Minor Maim) on every tick of damage. And Permafrost ticks + Chilled = Northern Storm ticks. And it lasts for 50% longer. Oh, and let's not forget the GIANT 70% SNARE.
It will give you easy Minor Brittle (because if you're MagDen and not using an Ice Staff you're doing something very wrong), which lets you do something else with your weapon trait than boring old Charged.
Seriously, Permafrost rules.1 -
chessalavakia_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »chessalavakia_ESO wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »SandandStars wrote: »Permafrost.
Some wardens use the bear for a random big hit, but generally it’s as ludicrous and un-fun an ultimate as you could imagine.
Permafrost is good in PvP. The same cannot be said for Consuming Darkness.
Isn't Permafrost basically Veil of Blades cousin?
If one works and the other doesn't it doesn't seem like you'd need to change much to make the other work.
No, Permafrost is actually good.
People will look at the lower tooltip vs. Northern Storm but what they're forgetting is the auto-proc of Chilled (which also procs Minor Maim) on every tick of damage. And Permafrost ticks + Chilled = Northern Storm ticks. And it lasts for 50% longer. Oh, and let's not forget the GIANT 70% SNARE.
It will give you easy Minor Brittle (because if you're MagDen and not using an Ice Staff you're doing something very wrong), which lets you do something else with your weapon trait than boring old Charged.
Seriously, Permafrost rules.
My point is that if you look at the Permafrost and Veil of Blades, you'll notice the two abilities have some pretty heavy overlap.
The big differences between the two is Veil of Blades has a synergy and Permafrost has a larger radius and moves with the user.
That would suggest that Veil of Blades issue might be that it's a bit too unwieldy for the amount of power that it holds. Increasing the size of the radius slightly while also perhaps increasing the damage/power of the synergy might be enough to address it without making the abilities just total copies of one another.
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Mesite✭✭✭✭The morphs for the Templar's healing ultimate Rites of passage are never recommended in build guides. Maybe they need to be made stronger too.
I'm not sure they can compete with the nightblade ultimate for least used ultimate though.1 -
Weckless✭✭✭chessalavakia_ESO wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »chessalavakia_ESO wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »SandandStars wrote: »Permafrost.
Some wardens use the bear for a random big hit, but generally it’s as ludicrous and un-fun an ultimate as you could imagine.
Permafrost is good in PvP. The same cannot be said for Consuming Darkness.
Isn't Permafrost basically Veil of Blades cousin?
If one works and the other doesn't it doesn't seem like you'd need to change much to make the other work.
No, Permafrost is actually good.
People will look at the lower tooltip vs. Northern Storm but what they're forgetting is the auto-proc of Chilled (which also procs Minor Maim) on every tick of damage. And Permafrost ticks + Chilled = Northern Storm ticks. And it lasts for 50% longer. Oh, and let's not forget the GIANT 70% SNARE.
It will give you easy Minor Brittle (because if you're MagDen and not using an Ice Staff you're doing something very wrong), which lets you do something else with your weapon trait than boring old Charged.
Seriously, Permafrost rules.
My point is that if you look at the Permafrost and Veil of Blades, you'll notice the two abilities have some pretty heavy overlap.
The big differences between the two is Veil of Blades has a synergy and Permafrost has a larger radius and moves with the user.
That would suggest that Veil of Blades issue might be that it's a bit too unwieldy for the amount of power that it holds. Increasing the size of the radius slightly while also perhaps increasing the damage/power of the synergy might be enough to address it without making the abilities just total copies of one another.
Permafrost snares and stuns people as well as causing chilled and immobilizing chilled targets
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MindOfTheSwarm✭✭✭✭✭Another option is that it gives the Nightblade who cast the ability permanent invisibility that remains while attacking from within the area and gives immunity to reveal effects while inside it while also buffing the damage of melee abilities for the caster while they are inside it (ranged would be OP). Like a quasi smoke bomb effect. Would instantly turn the skill into an “Oh crap get away” in PVP while also making it an alternative to Death Stroke in PVE.0 -
MindOfTheSwarm✭✭✭✭✭Or if you really wanted to be evil you could have it so that the casting Nightblade gains infinite Death Stroke’s while standing inside its area.
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SandandStars✭✭✭✭✭SandandStars wrote: »Personally, I always choose northern storm over perma in pvp.
Isn’t it generally considered the stronger option these days?
You know just because you main magsorc doesnt mean you have to rally against any nb improvements. Im a nb main backing up sorc improvements on that thread you're on its okay for us all choose balance over grudges
What?
I don’t main a Magsorc… I just listed other ultimates that aren’t useful (there are many) to show that Consuming Darkness isn’t an outlier, especially when in the larger perspective, NB has a better toolkit than most classes.
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SandandStars✭✭✭✭✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »chessalavakia_ESO wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »SandandStars wrote: »Permafrost.
Some wardens use the bear for a random big hit, but generally it’s as ludicrous and un-fun an ultimate as you could imagine.
Permafrost is good in PvP. The same cannot be said for Consuming Darkness.
Isn't Permafrost basically Veil of Blades cousin?
If one works and the other doesn't it doesn't seem like you'd need to change much to make the other work.
No, Permafrost is actually good.
People will look at the lower tooltip vs. Northern Storm but what they're forgetting is the auto-proc of Chilled (which also procs Minor Maim) on every tick of damage. And Permafrost ticks + Chilled = Northern Storm ticks. And it lasts for 50% longer. Oh, and let's not forget the GIANT 70% SNARE.
It will give you easy Minor Brittle (because if you're MagDen and not using an Ice Staff you're doing something very wrong), which lets you do something else with your weapon trait than boring old Charged.
Seriously, Permafrost rules.
But doesn’t Frost Reach proc chilled status effect already? So that aspect of Permafrost is redundant on a Magden running Ice Staff/Frost Reach spammable?
In which case the higher damage ticks + 300 sd from Northern Storm are stronger for PvP?
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Weckless✭✭✭SandandStars wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »chessalavakia_ESO wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »SandandStars wrote: »Permafrost.
Some wardens use the bear for a random big hit, but generally it’s as ludicrous and un-fun an ultimate as you could imagine.
Permafrost is good in PvP. The same cannot be said for Consuming Darkness.
Isn't Permafrost basically Veil of Blades cousin?
If one works and the other doesn't it doesn't seem like you'd need to change much to make the other work.
No, Permafrost is actually good.
People will look at the lower tooltip vs. Northern Storm but what they're forgetting is the auto-proc of Chilled (which also procs Minor Maim) on every tick of damage. And Permafrost ticks + Chilled = Northern Storm ticks. And it lasts for 50% longer. Oh, and let's not forget the GIANT 70% SNARE.
It will give you easy Minor Brittle (because if you're MagDen and not using an Ice Staff you're doing something very wrong), which lets you do something else with your weapon trait than boring old Charged.
Seriously, Permafrost rules.
But doesn’t Frost Reach proc chilled status effect already? So that aspect of Permafrost is redundant on a Magden running Ice Staff/Frost Reach spammable?
In which case the higher damage ticks + 300 sd from Northern Storm are stronger for PvP?
No because magden gets increased chilled damage so a chilled proc for warden is kinda like a burning light procEdited by Weckless on June 12, 2023 4:21AM1