[Suggestion] Allow the earned Endeavor Seals to be used across the ENTIRE online store

Austacker

Whilst I've enjoyed logging in daily and earning those Endeavor Seals, I have to say I'm a little disappointed they are so restricted in their use to just what comes in the crown crates alone.

After most people have earned that elusive radiant Apex mount, the motivation to keep earning the seals seems to drop away a bit.

Having their only use for what is in Crown Crates alone I think is fairly limiting in providing the motivation for players to keep logging in and earning them. Over the long term especially, I can see this becoming fairly stale as honestly, there's only so many mounts and pets you're honestly going to want.

It would be fantastic if we could implement the use of Endeavor Seals across the entire ESO Store providing more incentive to keep logging in and earning.

I know this would somewhat eat into potential crown sales, but I'd also point out that the earn rate is pretty low and I couldn't see a situation where people just wouldn't bother buying crowns.

It would just be another option for players to earn game content through daily participation and keep the incentive to log in daily strong as well as maintain a solid online population.

Thoughts?

Gundug

I’m not in marketing, but my understanding is that the Endeavors only exist to signify that Crown Crates are not simply a form of online gambling, since the items offered can be purchased through in game activities. The developers have been careful to find a balance between providing the minimum of Endeavor rewards so as not to cut too greatly into cash sales in the store vs. being too low to be considered a viable justification for what they are attempting to portray. Since the Crown Store as a whole does not suffer from the issue of being potentially considered gambling, I don’t believe there is any motivation for ZOS to widen the scope of Endeavors to include it.

draigwyrdd

I would like this to happen but I don't think it will. The Endeavour system is for plausible deniability, not for any actual utility it provides to users.

Epona222

You can trade with other players for most other crown store items though, so there are other ways to get them. Before seals were introduced, the only way to get things from the crates was to spend IRL money and gamble/spend gems which were acquired mostly through gambling, which is what the endeavors seek to remedy.

DMuehlhausen

1. Crown Crates are not gambling. When you gamble you most likely will get nothing back. Crown Crates you are 100% guaranteed to get something for your money. You may not like it, but you get an item(s) so really be definition it's not gambling.

2. The endeavors make it so people who don't want to spend money are able to get the items from the crates. To my knowledge they don't keep anything restricted from the seals and make it Crate only.

The easiest fix for all this though would be to go old school (the way it should be) and make everything farmable. Now obviously drop rates would be even worse than they are from crates, but every mount, skin, motif, etc should be farmable either by gathering items or just running dungeons over and over, or by even putting some behind really long extensive and hard to do quests/achievements.

Epona222

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

1. Crown Crates are not gambling. When you gamble you most likely will get nothing back. Crown Crates you are 100% guaranteed to get something for your money. You may not like it, but you get an item(s) so really be definition it's not gambling.

I think you'll find that the legal definitions in many countries disagree with you hence why crates are banned in some countries and endeavors were introduced, but you feel free to go ahead and make up your own definition

Danikat

As other people have said endeavours weren't introduced as a favour to players, or even to increase activity in the game. They exist to comply with Microsoft's policy on loot boxes, which is that anything in them can also be earned by playing the game. That is itself part of recent efforts in the industry to show they're 'self regulating' their gambling systems in an effort to stave off the legislation which several countries are considering. Zenimax (and presumably Microsoft) would still prefer players to buy crown crates, which is why it takes so long to actually get enough seals to buy anything.

Since there's no external pressure to stop cash shop sales in games it's very unlikely they would introduce an official work-around. (There's an unofficial one in the form of players selling crowns via the gifting system.)

Xinihp

Something I would REALLY appreciate is the ability to use my available crowns to cover the difference for items I don't have enough seals to buy.

There is already a conversion rate in place for gems to seals. It wouldn't be too difficult to extrapolate an equivalent crown cost for the overlap.

I worry however this may not be something they want to do as it would tend to suggest the real odds involved in crown to gem conversions (though you can already sort of extrapolate this as well based on samplings of multiple crate "seasons" and buying the 15 crate packs starting with nothing unlocked, which is available online).

Barring that, then the ability to use gems to cover overlap would be a happy compromise.

The goal being of course not to miss the cool things you want while they are available.

Xinihp

Gundug wrote: »

I’m not in marketing, but my understanding is that the Endeavors only exist to signify that Crown Crates are not simply a form of online gambling, since the items offered can be purchased through in game activities. The developers have been careful to find a balance between providing the minimum of Endeavor rewards so as not to cut too greatly into cash sales in the store vs. being too low to be considered a viable justification for what they are attempting to portray. Since the Crown Store as a whole does not suffer from the issue of being potentially considered gambling, I don’t believe there is any motivation for ZOS to widen the scope of Endeavors to include it.

At the current conversion rate of seals, it would take 8 months to afford a single radiant mount.

The average crown season has these available for roughly 2-3 months.

In terms of providing an alternative to gain items from the cash shop, I'll just let you (or whomever you suggest they are trying to convince of this) do the math.

MEBengalsFan2001

Austacker wrote: »

Whilst I've enjoyed logging in daily and earning those Endeavor Seals, I have to say I'm a little disappointed they are so restricted in their use to just what comes in the crown crates alone.

After most people have earned that elusive radiant Apex mount, the motivation to keep earning the seals seems to drop away a bit.

Having their only use for what is in Crown Crates alone I think is fairly limiting in providing the motivation for players to keep logging in and earning them. Over the long term especially, I can see this becoming fairly stale as honestly, there's only so many mounts and pets you're honestly going to want.

It would be fantastic if we could implement the use of Endeavor Seals across the entire ESO Store providing more incentive to keep logging in and earning.

I know this would somewhat eat into potential crown sales, but I'd also point out that the earn rate is pretty low and I couldn't see a situation where people just wouldn't bother buying crowns.

It would just be another option for players to earn game content through daily participation and keep the incentive to log in daily strong as well as maintain a solid online population.

Thoughts?

The thing about this is that many of the crown crate items at one point or another were in the crown store with little success and it is why it was put into a crate.

I just wish the devs would have two crown crates available where one is changed every two weeks and the current one last until the next one is out. It would IMO really help those of us who want to acquire a specific item quicker.

Kiralyn2000

Austacker wrote: »

Thoughts?

No. The entire point of the Endeavor Seals is to be another path to getting Crate items. Not general Crown Store things, which can both be gotten for direct purchase (as opposed to random crate drops) and can be gifted/'traded' for gold.

Necrotech_Master

Epona222 wrote: »

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

1. Crown Crates are not gambling. When you gamble you most likely will get nothing back. Crown Crates you are 100% guaranteed to get something for your money. You may not like it, but you get an item(s) so really be definition it's not gambling.

I think you'll find that the legal definitions in many countries disagree with you hence why crates are banned in some countries and endeavors were introduced, but you feel free to go ahead and make up your own definition

this, "gambling" as defined by most things is buying something with an unknown outcome

for example if you directly bought a furnishing from the crown store in housing editor, you are getting a finite 100% guaranteed item that you paid for, while a crown crate you technically get something, it is a "gamble" due to the unknown outcome of what you get, which in most cases is not what you want, and therefore not what you were intending to pay for

MreeBiPolar

Xinihp wrote: »

There is already a conversion rate in place for gems to seals. It wouldn't be too difficult to extrapolate an equivalent crown cost for the overlap.

There is not. If you actually look at them, you will notice that the price curves for different rarity items in gems and seals are completely different.