Do y'all think ESO is on life support?

Gray_howling_parrot

After the past couple years of essentially "RP" features being the primary focus of the chapter release, I was sure this year would be huge and was absolutely crucial to the health of the game. I've sank thousands of hours and a ton of money into this game, so it's hard to see how it's doing at this point. I absolutely have loved this game, but I don't see 30 hours of story content and a card game keeping me preoccupied for over a year. I think one of my biggest gripes with this whole thing is a complete lack of any acknowledgement of them "listening to players." They've never once stated, "we hear you, and we have big plans." It's honestly shocking. They even added a section here in the forums for a "roadmap" which is anything but that as it just has features releasing with the chapter. They have a lot of work to do.

I don't know if it's because a lot of staff left and they are hurting internally, if they have taken a chunk of staff away for a new ZoS project, or what, but I feel like this isn't cutting it. Super new/casual players are going to feel this lack of content because they're just starting to play the game we all have known and loved for so many years. It's the medium to long term players (obviously especially the PvPers getting smacked in the face with a ranking system for the card game) that are getting mad at all of this. With all of the competition through Lost Ark, Elden Ring, WoW's new expansion, GW2's new expansion and all the other games innovating themselves, it's sad to see a minimal effort approach from ZOS. Im convinced the only reason they haven't felt the need to push out anything is because of the whales of this game buying tons of crown crates and spending hundreds of dollars on the housing. There's no reason for them to stop doing what they're doing because they can do little and still gain a lot, so it makes sense from a financial perspective from them. Could be just me and my friends, but I think a lot of people are also leaving.

EnerG

No its not.
People need to be patient when "their" way to play the game isnt being actively worked on.

Zos isn't destroying anything, they just make decisions YOU don't agree with and thats fine, you don't need to like everything they do and critisism is always accepted, but this isnt critisism this is fearmongering and highly misleading to players who may read this post when ZOS has stated over the last...2? Years that alot of their resources right now are going to backend stability.

Gray_howling_parrot

EnerG wrote: »

No its not.
People need to be patient when "their" way to play the game isnt being actively worked on.

Zos isn't destroying anything, they just make decisions YOU don't agree with and thats fine, you don't need to like everything they do and critisism is always accepted, but this isnt critisism this is fearmongering and highly misleading to players who may read this post when ZOS has stated over the last...2? Years that alot of their resources right now are going to backend stability.

I don't see how any of this is "fearmongering" that I stated. Go check out steam charts, google trends and player counts to see how the game is going. Also, the stability has gotten worse over the last couple of months (don't know if you've been playing the game enough to notice that". I also never stated they were "destroying" anything. I stated that they aren't adding anything worthwhile to keep a majority of players around. Look at 95% of content creators' content and see what they're saying about it too. I think the card game will be great, but it's not an expansion-worthy main feature. I think it would've been an excellent QOL addition in Q1 or Q3 or even a main feature for Q4, but it's not a big enough feature in my opinion to be a main chapter "come back to the game" thing.

The way I see it, I think horizontal progression is fantastic. It gives players a way to expand gameplay when they get bored questing, doing dungeons, etc. BUT, AGAIN, there is nothing substantial being added to keep you that busy for a year. A road map would be huge to keep players around and excited like I said.

Other ideas for a variety of gameplay styles:

- Ranking system & arena (1v1, 2v2, 3v3) gameplay for PvP with an expansive reward system (mounts, pets, etc for top 250, 100 and 50 players)
- A farmable mount system and pet system with rare drops from vet hm dungeons, trials, and WBs
- An unlimited furniture bag similar to the crafting bag for housing addicts and an upgrade to furnishing numbers (like max limits and stuff)
- A veteran overland option that rewards zone tokens for completing which you can turn in at a zone vendor for zone-themed mounts, pets, motifs, crafting items, etc.

Tandor

Oh dear, is it that time of the week already?

Starlight_Knight

I agree with what you're saying but i dont think ESO is on life support.

The devs have always done weird things with the game that imho isnt in line with what the majority of the player base wants,
they always seem to add what i call content bloat, with little to no incentive to complete it with the sole intention of attracting new players.

We as players like to think of ESO as an MMO but im not sure ZOS see it that way, they see it more as its own entity and they always go in this bizarre direction.

I do think though that ESO has the potential to be great and a really great MMO but its missing so many of those great MMO features and thats why every update we as players are expecting those things to happen but instead we are blind sided by things like card games and scrying and more content bloat.

Yes people are leaving, but most will come back, i think 2022 for ESO will be the worst since pre-morrowind but ESO wont die yet...

However, theres no way ESO will survive if it carries on just doing what it likes and not listening to the players, especially the veteran players who are crying out for a better MMO.

EnerG

I have been playing since summerset, I have over 5000 hours and I still have HUGE swathes of the game to complete, how are you not finding anything too do? If the content isnt your cuppa thats fine, but again to make sweeping claims with percentages about content creators or the content itself is missleading when this is your opinion and not a critisism with any substance.

Gray_howling_parrot

EnerG wrote: »

I have been playing since summerset, I have over 5000 hours and I still have HUGE swathes of the game to complete, how are you not finding anything too do? If the content isnt your cuppa thats fine, but again to make sweeping claims with percentages about content creators or the content itself is missleading when this is your opinion and not a critisism with any substance.

That's fantastic that you've spent nearly a year of your life in this game. Im happy for ya! There's obviously lots of stuff in the game I could do. I think you're misinterpreting what i'm saying. I AM SURPRISED that this is the main feature and for those players who have left, I don't think this is going to draw them back in. And I'm sorry im not MLA citing streams and clips from content creators saying this, but if you go do a quick youtube search about the High Isle announcement and their takes on it, you'll see what im saying. Cheers!

Also, the forums is just about 100% criticism based on opinion and is based purely on personal experience. If you're looking for criticism with substance and citation, i'd go check out some medical journals and peer-reviewed studies lol.

EnerG

Jaustink wrote: »

EnerG wrote: »

I have been playing since summerset, I have over 5000 hours and I still have HUGE swathes of the game to complete, how are you not finding anything too do? If the content isnt your cuppa thats fine, but again to make sweeping claims with percentages about content creators or the content itself is missleading when this is your opinion and not a critisism with any substance.

That's fantastic that you've spent nearly a year of your life in this game. Im happy for ya! There's obviously lots of stuff in the game I could do. I think you're misinterpreting what i'm saying. I AM SURPRISED that this is the main feature and for those players who have left, I don't think this is going to draw them back in. And I'm sorry im not MLA citing streams and clips from content creators saying this, but if you go do a quick youtube search about the High Isle announcement and their takes on it, you'll see what im saying. Cheers!

Also, the forums is just about 100% criticism based on opinion and is based purely on personal experience. If you're looking for criticism with substance and citation, i'd go check out some medical journals and peer-reviewed studies lol.

Im glad that you think passive aggresive answers are going yo get anyone too see things from your side, im sorry if you thought i was being passive aggresive, but i have autism and i litterally dont understand why you're choosing too dig and be mean when semebody challanges your opinion, but come throught I guess, you sound like a nice person to be around, lol.

MagicalLija

I personally think that Zenimax need to take next year off. No DLC, maybe some dungeons but that's it.

The content they're pushing out every year is way too fast for them to handle. They should take the year off to focus on a new class (I still want a Spellsword kinda class, would fit PERFECTLY with the new hybridisation meta we're seemingly shifting too) and then focus on performance. PCEU is perma 150+ Ping, frequent disconnects, log in issues etc.

Personally, Elsweyr and Summerset are my favourite DLCs. They were both new areas we hadn't gotten the chance to explore in an Elder Scrolls game, and I genuinely just adored learning more about their inhabitants and such, and then Greymoor came out...A mess of a release, unplayable for a solid week, cliché story, and just didn't feel good to play. It did however release one of my favourite systems, Antiquities which just really expanded the world a lot. And then Blackwood, which I again didn't necessarily find that amazing. Companions are fun don't get me wrong, but they're also kinda dumb.

On terms of High Isle, the fact that the main selling point is something I know for a fact 60% of people aren't going to play baffles me. I played around with the card game, and I personally enjoy it. But c'mon.

Arthtur

Well i will wait for next chapter preview. Then i will decide if its still worth waiting for more love for dungeons, housing and outfits. If They will do something that doesnt affect anything i like again then oh well... i think 2-3 years is enough time to do something that ppl asked for.

Gray_howling_parrot

EnerG wrote: »

Jaustink wrote: »

EnerG wrote: »

I have been playing since summerset, I have over 5000 hours and I still have HUGE swathes of the game to complete, how are you not finding anything too do? If the content isnt your cuppa thats fine, but again to make sweeping claims with percentages about content creators or the content itself is missleading when this is your opinion and not a critisism with any substance.

That's fantastic that you've spent nearly a year of your life in this game. Im happy for ya! There's obviously lots of stuff in the game I could do. I think you're misinterpreting what i'm saying. I AM SURPRISED that this is the main feature and for those players who have left, I don't think this is going to draw them back in. And I'm sorry im not MLA citing streams and clips from content creators saying this, but if you go do a quick youtube search about the High Isle announcement and their takes on it, you'll see what im saying. Cheers!

Also, the forums is just about 100% criticism based on opinion and is based purely on personal experience. If you're looking for criticism with substance and citation, i'd go check out some medical journals and peer-reviewed studies lol.

Im glad that you think passive aggresive answers are going yo get anyone too see things from your side, im sorry if you thought i was being passive aggresive, but i have autism and i litterally dont understand why you're choosing too dig and be mean when semebody challanges your opinion, but come throught I guess, you sound like a nice person to be around, lol.

I apologize too, not trying to be! Just having a conversation and debating points with ya. Cheers.

Gray_howling_parrot

MagicAndrej wrote: »

I personally think that Zenimax need to take next year off. No DLC, maybe some dungeons but that's it.

The content they're pushing out every year is way too fast for them to handle. They should take the year off to focus on a new class (I still want a Spellsword kinda class, would fit PERFECTLY with the new hybridisation meta we're seemingly shifting too) and then focus on performance. PCEU is perma 150+ Ping, frequent disconnects, log in issues etc.

Personally, Elsweyr and Summerset are my favourite DLCs. They were both new areas we hadn't gotten the chance to explore in an Elder Scrolls game, and I genuinely just adored learning more about their inhabitants and such, and then Greymoor came out...A mess of a release, unplayable for a solid week, cliché story, and just didn't feel good to play. It did however release one of my favourite systems, Antiquities which just really expanded the world a lot. And then Blackwood, which I again didn't necessarily find that amazing. Companions are fun don't get me wrong, but they're also kinda dumb.

On terms of High Isle, the fact that the main selling point is something I know for a fact 60% of people aren't going to play baffles me. I played around with the card game, and I personally enjoy it. But c'mon.

I can agree with this for sure. I'd also like to see them push stories to being over 2-3 years rather than cramming it into 1 year alone so that main players in the story can be more developed out and we can actually start to care about them a bit more than most of us do lol.

I would totally be down for a year off just for a new class. They don't need a new zone necessarily because they could easily build on what they already have out ya know? Flesh out the guilds a bit more, spice up old zones, update textures, etc.

Summerset was my favorite DLC too. I think that the card game will be enjoyable and im fine with it actually being added, but I just don't think itll be something they can really really add on to and build on each year but who knows? Could be great somehow in the long run

karekiz

The game is 100% DEED. Its a dead game boys. Sad to say but nobody is playin. All endgame is basically trash tier dead because all players have finished the content. No reason to repeat the runs. No reason to farm the gear that is 95% useless. All builds are the same nobody uses destro literally anymore.

Dead game.

Amottica

I have seen threads going back to 2014 claiming ESO is dying. Interesting how the game Continues on.

Reverb

I don’t think so. I say this from the perspective of a primary pvp’er, who has many complaints about the game. Even though the pvp community has consistently gotten the shaft, the game is absolutely not on life support. New content is continually being developed for all types of gameplay. New adventure zones, group dungeons, public dungeons, trials, housing content, and cosmetics. Continually.

Additionally, QoL features get added to the base game pretty regularly.

I’m confident Zeni will continue their direction of creating new content and not stagnating. The fact that they aren’t putting effort into what I would like them to doesn’t make me blind to the fact that they are continually putting effort into the game.

ZOS_Volpe

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