Tell me one reason party finder does not exist

Mixalis966

I am talking about a party finder where you can create lobbies so people interested can join.Posted again for this but i can't stop because I've been kind of stuck with this idea since i came back into the game.Why is it still not a thing?I started eso in 2016 and they never implemented this.We need to be able to create lobbies to find other people to do content.What does lfging in zone bring to the game?I posted numerous times but i did't get an answer.Can a ZOS employee explain to me why do you ignore this aspect of the game?

Tandor

Mixalis966 wrote: »

I am talking about a party finder where you can create lobbies so people interested can join.Posted again for this but i can't stop because I've been kind of stuck with this idea since i came back into the game.Why is it still not a thing?I started eso in 2016 and they never implemented this.We need to be able to create lobbies to find other people to do content.What does lfging in zone bring to the game?I posted numerous times but i did't get an answer.Can a ZOS employee explain to me why do you ignore this aspect of the game?

Isn't this one reason why you can belong to 5 guilds? They don't all have to be trading guilds.

Mixalis966

Do you think that belonging to 5 guilds lets you reach the whole playerbase currently online?Do you find spamming in 5 guilds(if you don't have 1 for trading) amusing?What happens if someone logs on just after you send the message and he did not see it?A party finder does not take away from the guild, you can still do content with your guild friends.

Arthtur

Because nobody would use Dungeon Finder and ppl would complain that they are locked out of content as they dont have needed achi to get into the group. Well, they already complain but with party finder it would be worse.

SirLeeMinion

Mixalis966 wrote: »

I am talking about a party finder where you can create lobbies so people interested can join.

Agreed. This should have been implemented long ago. If we'd gotten this instead of the card game, I would have bought the new chapter.

Mixalis966

Arthtur wrote: »

Because nobody would use Dungeon Finder and ppl would complain that they are locked out of content as they dont have needed achi to get into the group. Well, they already complain but with party finder it would be worse.

Well lets be honest dungeon finder does not work for advanced content either way.The situation now is that if you get into hard content but have no exp people will leave and the group will probably disband.On the contrary if people would be able to type "vMoS first clear" for example they might find people that want to clear it for the first time and try together.

belial5221_ESO

Party finder would still put you with randoms,which for dungeons no diff than dungeon finder,you jsut get to pick which bad players to group with lol.For things like vet trials and speed/no death achieves you don't want players that don't know mechanics.It's why you can spam chat in Crag and usually find the players with specific gear/achieve/level you want.A lobby would jsut fill with lots of different expertise players looking for group anyway,so why make a thing that would be buggy,when zone chat works fine.

Tandor

Mixalis966 wrote: »

Do you think that belonging to 5 guilds lets you reach the whole playerbase currently online?Do you find spamming in 5 guilds(if you don't have 1 for trading) amusing?What happens if someone logs on just after you send the message and he did not see it?A party finder does not take away from the guild, you can still do content with your guild friends.

How much of the whole playerbase do you need to find?

People complain so much about dungeon finder and PUGs that I'm surprised that anyone doing group content would want a party finder as well. Guilds, friends, previous group contacts, surely they're the best way of getting such content organised in a reliable way. Not that I have any objection to a party finder, simply that I can see various reasons why it hasn't been introduced.

I appreciate that outside of dungeons and trials few people want to group up for most of the content which must make it difficult for those who do, but surely that's where finding a suitable guild is the answer.

Arthtur

I never said that DF is good. I didnt use it for like 6 months+. The only time i "use" it is when we have 4ppl so we get transmutes for random dungeon. So even if DF would... disappear i wouldnt care at all. Im just stating how some ppl react when they see group that want "Link Achi" or "70k DPS+" which would be more visible with Party Finder.

I dont have any problems with adding PF. I get all the + that it provides. Ppl will be able to search for ppl who want to just do story, speedrun etc... So u dont have to try to persuade me ;p

Gray_howling_parrot

Tandor wrote: »

Mixalis966 wrote: »

Do you think that belonging to 5 guilds lets you reach the whole playerbase currently online?Do you find spamming in 5 guilds(if you don't have 1 for trading) amusing?What happens if someone logs on just after you send the message and he did not see it?A party finder does not take away from the guild, you can still do content with your guild friends.

How much of the whole playerbase do you need to find?

People complain so much about dungeon finder and PUGs that I'm surprised that anyone doing group content would want a party finder as well. Guilds, friends, previous group contacts, surely they're the best way of getting such content organised in a reliable way. Not that I have any objection to a party finder, simply that I can see various reasons why it hasn't been introduced.

I appreciate that outside of dungeons and trials few people want to group up for most of the content which must make it difficult for those who do, but surely that's where finding a suitable guild is the answer.

There are plenty of guilds that do content but not everyone is on at the same time nor does everyone have the experience or desire in those guilds to do what you want to do. A party finder would reach out to a much larger group of people, which is the whole point. If you want to find a group without teleporting to every major city and zone, you can just list your party and your desires in a party finder. Want to find a group for a trifecta dungeon run? Throw it in the party finder. It's pretty hard to do that outside of being in a more serious guild or getting lucky in craglorn.

A dungeon finder is completely random and defeats the purpose for wanting to do anything past completion of a dungeon. Some people don't come into the game with a ton of friends and simply want to find a few other people to do some content with quickly ya know? Thats the point of a group and party finder. The point is you can have both. Im pretty confused by the polarity of these posts where people claim you just need to join guilds. Why not have guilds and a party finder?

Gray_howling_parrot

Arthtur wrote: »

Because nobody would use Dungeon Finder and ppl would complain that they are locked out of content as they dont have needed achi to get into the group. Well, they already complain but with party finder it would be worse.

I dont think this is necessarily true. The dungeon finder is primarily used for randoms, getting stuff for sticker books and pledges. You don't generally use the dungeon finder if you want to trifecta a dungeon. That's not going to happen with a PUG (99.999999% of the time). That's why there's different options. Guilds, dungeon finder, and party finder altogether would allow for many different avenues for players to access specific content they're wanting to do.

Amottica

Tandor wrote: »

Mixalis966 wrote: »

I am talking about a party finder where you can create lobbies so people interested can join.Posted again for this but i can't stop because I've been kind of stuck with this idea since i came back into the game.Why is it still not a thing?I started eso in 2016 and they never implemented this.We need to be able to create lobbies to find other people to do content.What does lfging in zone bring to the game?I posted numerous times but i did't get an answer.Can a ZOS employee explain to me why do you ignore this aspect of the game?

Isn't this one reason why you can belong to 5 guilds? They don't all have to be trading guilds.

Agree with this logic. Even trading guilds can be useful for putting together a group with a specific interest or requirements.

Cuddlypuff

There are some good discords out there for endgame PVE pugging if you put in the time to post parses and clears etc.

Mixalis966

Tandor wrote: »

Mixalis966 wrote: »

Do you think that belonging to 5 guilds lets you reach the whole playerbase currently online?Do you find spamming in 5 guilds(if you don't have 1 for trading) amusing?What happens if someone logs on just after you send the message and he did not see it?A party finder does not take away from the guild, you can still do content with your guild friends.

How much of the whole playerbase do you need to find?

People complain so much about dungeon finder and PUGs that I'm surprised that anyone doing group content would want a party finder as well. Guilds, friends, previous group contacts, surely they're the best way of getting such content organised in a reliable way. Not that I have any objection to a party finder, simply that I can see various reasons why it hasn't been introduced.

I appreciate that outside of dungeons and trials few people want to group up for most of the content which must make it difficult for those who do, but surely that's where finding a suitable guild is the answer.

1)I need to be able to communicate with everyone that wants to do the same content as me and is in game NOW.This is the playerbase i need to reach.
2)You probably didn't understand what i am proposing and we are arguing over a misunderstanding.I am proposing a system where you can create lobbies and name them however you want and do WHATEVER you want.

Mixalis966

belial5221_ESO wrote: »

Party finder would still put you with randoms,which for dungeons no diff than dungeon finder,you jsut get to pick which bad players to group with lol.For things like vet trials and speed/no death achieves you don't want players that don't know mechanics.It's why you can spam chat in Crag and usually find the players with specific gear/achieve/level you want.A lobby would jsut fill with lots of different expertise players looking for group anyway,so why make a thing that would be buggy,when zone chat works fine.

"zone chat" which zone exactly?Do you mean to teleport around asking for people?I don't get why you call people that join a lobby randoms.You are not supposed to know them,you are supposed to find people that want to do the same things.

Mixalis966

Jaustink wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Mixalis966 wrote: »

Do you think that belonging to 5 guilds lets you reach the whole playerbase currently online?Do you find spamming in 5 guilds(if you don't have 1 for trading) amusing?What happens if someone logs on just after you send the message and he did not see it?A party finder does not take away from the guild, you can still do content with your guild friends.

How much of the whole playerbase do you need to find?

People complain so much about dungeon finder and PUGs that I'm surprised that anyone doing group content would want a party finder as well. Guilds, friends, previous group contacts, surely they're the best way of getting such content organised in a reliable way. Not that I have any objection to a party finder, simply that I can see various reasons why it hasn't been introduced.

I appreciate that outside of dungeons and trials few people want to group up for most of the content which must make it difficult for those who do, but surely that's where finding a suitable guild is the answer.

There are plenty of guilds that do content but not everyone is on at the same time nor does everyone have the experience or desire in those guilds to do what you want to do. A party finder would reach out to a much larger group of people, which is the whole point. If you want to find a group without teleporting to every major city and zone, you can just list your party and your desires in a party finder. Want to find a group for a trifecta dungeon run? Throw it in the party finder. It's pretty hard to do that outside of being in a more serious guild or getting lucky in craglorn.

A dungeon finder is completely random and defeats the purpose for wanting to do anything past completion of a dungeon. Some people don't come into the game with a ton of friends and simply want to find a few other people to do some content with quickly ya know? Thats the point of a group and party finder. The point is you can have both. Im pretty confused by the polarity of these posts where people claim you just need to join guilds. Why not have guilds and a party finder?

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Mixalis966

Amottica wrote: »

Agree with this logic. Even trading guilds can be useful for putting together a group with a specific interest or requirements.

Yeah any place you can ask for people to join is useful but is it enough?After countless tping and asking in zones,asking in guilds, parties disbanded because we couldn't find more people i tell you it is NOT ENOUGH.

belial5221_ESO

Most trials/vet content are spammed in Craglorn,atleast on PC NA/EU.Dunno about consoles I don't use em.

Maybe someone needs to make a addon that ppl can list their specific needs,and others with addon can see and msg to join.
There was trader addon once,dunno if it still around where ppl listed and can contact eachother.

Cuddlypuff

Mixalis966 wrote: »

Cuddlypuff wrote: »

There are some good discords out there for endgame PVE pugging if you put in the time to post parses and clears etc.

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It's not that people don't want an in-game solution. The problem with in-game grouping is that for some odd reason ESO does not let you view other people's gear, clears and past scores (which can also be bought via carry but that's another story). How will the quality differ from the typical crag group with 11 other Schrödinger's pugs? Comedy roasts of crag logs gets old fast.

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Lady_Galadhiel

I don't see any disadvantages if they would add something like OP suggested.
However, it would need to have an advanced search function in order to be time saving for those who would want to use it.

Mixalis966

belial5221_ESO wrote: »

Most trials/vet content are spammed in Craglorn,atleast on PC NA/EU.Dunno about consoles I don't use em.

Maybe someone needs to make a addon that ppl can list their specific needs,and others with addon can see and msg to join.
There was trader addon once,dunno if it still around where ppl listed and can contact eachother.

The idea that in order to find group you should be present in a zone for me is false and counterproductive.We want this for everyone so it can be successful.An addon is not the remedy.How many people would know about it,how many would install it etc.

Mixalis966

Cuddlypuff wrote: »

Mixalis966 wrote: »

Cuddlypuff wrote: »

There are some good discords out there for endgame PVE pugging if you put in the time to post parses and clears etc.

[snip]

It's not that people don't want an in-game solution. The problem with in-game grouping is that for some odd reason ESO does not let you view other people's gear, clears and past scores (which can also be bought via carry but that's another story). How will the quality differ from the typical crag group with 11 other Schrödinger's pugs? Comedy roasts of crag logs gets old fast.

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Quality doesn't mean people will be more skillful or better geared.The quality of life will increase because grouping will be way faster and more specific.

EozZoe1989

again depends on the person..
Duggen finder i use.. all the time..
its better than walking across maps and wasting time to get from one place to another lol
i think its good for others and maybe not got for others.
its fine..
everyone does different things.. its no about one person.. its about everyone and there own selves .. to choose what they use and don't..
its not up to one person and or a gang on the games to choose how the game goes lol its owners of the game not yours there are alot people and groups of people in this game who hate change and like old ways too its fine.. but at the end the day this game needs too change for positive reasons for future generations and others.. wel all like and dislike things in own terms and its fine.. but its up to the game owners to listen and learn and they do.. but .. then there trolls that can say things for jokes and confuse owners. some these have ruined games and really its upsetting even moves and serries on tv.. have been cancelled or ruined by trolls its hard to trust people with the truth because of the memes and gifs and jokes out there today iam 33.. iam old .. lol
its fine ,, to be funny it is.. but then there is lies in jks,, its weird..
but love this game and hope this generation memes will change.. for the better .. and people change for the better lol with age lol
but yea,, times will tell .. i loved the iron fist tv serries and the last season was cancelled because of trolls..
meow to that. over and out eoz here

SilverBride

Mixalis966 wrote: »

I am talking about a party finder where you can create lobbies so people interested can join.Posted again for this but i can't stop because I've been kind of stuck with this idea since i came back into the game.Why is it still not a thing?I started eso in 2016 and they never implemented this.We need to be able to create lobbies to find other people to do content.What does lfging in zone bring to the game?I posted numerous times but i did't get an answer.Can a ZOS employee explain to me why do you ignore this aspect of the game?

I know that some other games have group finders but ESO plays very differently from other MMOs and everything that works for them may not work as well here.

But I'm not sure if I like this idea or not. I'd need to know more about how it would work.

VaranisArano

One practical reason is that the current Groupfinder chokes up whenever the server comes under strain. Queues break or take forever. A party finder for more content than dungeons and battlegrounds would be a more complex operation, and more likely to struggle under high load.

Another practical consideration is that ZOS has already reworked the Groupfinder once. The rework might have been a good time to replace it with a lobby system, but they did not. ZOS has not commented on requests for a trials groupfinder (to my knowledge), which would be the most logical extension of the current system. In addition, ZOS has removed the Cyrodiil Groupfinder because it was barely used. Players preferred to recruit from guild or zone chat instead.

Could ZOS add a party finder?
Maybe, though I wouldn't expect anything until the rearchitecture is done.

Mixalis966

SilverBride wrote: »

Mixalis966 wrote: »

I am talking about a party finder where you can create lobbies so people interested can join.Posted again for this but i can't stop because I've been kind of stuck with this idea since i came back into the game.Why is it still not a thing?I started eso in 2016 and they never implemented this.We need to be able to create lobbies to find other people to do content.What does lfging in zone bring to the game?I posted numerous times but i did't get an answer.Can a ZOS employee explain to me why do you ignore this aspect of the game?

This isn't an aspect of the game. It's a feature being asked for.

I know that some other games have group finders but ESO plays very differently from other MMOs and everything that works for them may not work as well here.

But I'm not sure if I like this idea or not. I'd need to know more about how it would work.

You can call it whatever you want but i believe it should be in the game long ago.I don't think that by differently you mean making players life harder.I don't see the drawback in implementing this.

This would work similar to other games.It could have different tabs for dungeons/trials/roleplaying and people would create lobbies naming them after the activity they are after.

Mixalis966

VaranisArano wrote: »

Players preferred to recruit from guild or zone chat instead.

I would rephrase preferred to "had to".The party finder would bring people together faster and easier.I don't see why a lobby system would make the server struggle but regular queueing won't apart from the fact that more people will actually find group to do content.

EDIT:To me the random normal daily with the bonus exp and rewards is simply a way to fill in the queues for people doing "Specific dungeons" and ensure they will find someone to do content with.If the end goal is people finding group why not help them further by adding lobbies?

These technical limitations are your assumptions,i still didn't hear from ZOS the reason which i look forward to.

VaranisArano

Mixalis966 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Players preferred to recruit from guild or zone chat instead.

I would rephrase preferred to "had to".The party finder would bring people together faster and easier.I don't see why a lobby system would make the server struggle but regular queueing won't apart from the fact that more people will actually find group to do content.

EDIT:To me the random normal daily with the bonus exp and rewards is simply a way to fill in the queues for people doing "Specific dungeons" and ensure they will find someone to do content with.If the end goal is people finding group why not help them further by adding lobbies?

These technical limitations are your assumptions,i still didn't hear from ZOS the reason which i look forward to.

A. I'm speaking of the Cyrodiil Groupfinder, which worked effectively like a lobby for Cyrodiil. You queued up and it stuck you with a group doing something in Cyrodiil.

Problem was, nobody used it. I think I tried it twice and got stuck with one or two people, and then we had to figure out what we were doing. It wasn't a great experience, which I'm sure compounded it's relative disuse.

Most people used zone chat to LFG or joined a guild for Cyrodiil because that way you got an active group that had a clear leader. Now, Cyrodiil isn't instanced the way PVE zones are, so zone chat could function effectively as a Recruiting Channel for everyone.

If we take the example of Cyrodiil, perhaps a Recruiting Channel that spans multiple zones and their instances would be a less intensive solution for organizing activities than developing a full lobby system.


B. Good luck getting your answer directly from ZOS.

But if you want to know why I think any major changes to ESO like switching to a lobby system is going to take a while, I'll direct you to Rich Lambert's recent interview, where he talks about how the server-side work for the rearchitecture "is very, very slow because it requires a lot of, you know, rewriting and reworking of a lot of backend things."
https://wccftech.com/the-elder-scrolls-online-high-isle-preview-qa-fsr-1-0-support-card-game-and-much-more/

I was also here for the first Groupfinder rework, which took months, then failed dramatically, and took several more months to get into working order. So while I'm hopeful that ZOS can rebuild ESO into something that might be able to support systems like multi-instance lobbies for you, I also expect it to take a long time.

Agenericname

Tandor wrote: »

Mixalis966 wrote: »

Do you think that belonging to 5 guilds lets you reach the whole playerbase currently online?Do you find spamming in 5 guilds(if you don't have 1 for trading) amusing?What happens if someone logs on just after you send the message and he did not see it?A party finder does not take away from the guild, you can still do content with your guild friends.

How much of the whole playerbase do you need to find?

People complain so much about dungeon finder and PUGs that I'm surprised that anyone doing group content would want a party finder as well. Guilds, friends, previous group contacts, surely they're the best way of getting such content organised in a reliable way. Not that I have any objection to a party finder, simply that I can see various reasons why it hasn't been introduced.

I appreciate that outside of dungeons and trials few people want to group up for most of the content which must make it difficult for those who do, but surely that's where finding a suitable guild is the answer.

One of the bigger issues with the DF is how much variance there is in the expectations. Some people want to take it slow, some speed run, some loot everything, etc. DF just tosses warm bodies into a pile of 4 and done.

Guilds work. They essentially do the same thing, but they cast a much smaller net. There are already guilds and discords that serve as a lobby for some of this content. I really dont see an issue with adding that functionality to the game, provided that it functioned as a lobby for the DF, outside of trials and arenas. I dont think that adding more of a load to DF would be wise.

It could solve the issue of trial/arena finder as well.

Mixalis966

VaranisArano wrote: »

A. I'm speaking of the Cyrodiil Groupfinder, which worked effectively like a lobby for Cyrodiil. You queued up and it stuck you with a group doing something in Cyrodiil.

Problem was, nobody used it. I think I tried it twice and got stuck with one or two people, and then we had to figure out what we were doing. It wasn't a great experience, which I'm sure compounded it's relative disuse.

Most people used zone chat to LFG or joined a guild for Cyrodiil because that way you got an active group that had a clear leader. Now, Cyrodiil isn't instanced the way PVE zones are, so zone chat could function effectively as a Recruiting Channel for everyone.

I do not know how cyrodil Groupfinder worked but from what you said i understand that you did not choose which party to group with.You said "stuck you with a group doing something".I am talking about joining lobbies where you know what you are going for, from the title most likely.

As for lfging in zones i think we ve said enough above ^^

SilverBride

Mixalis966 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I know that some other games have group finders but ESO plays very differently from other MMOs and everything that works for them may not work as well here.

But I'm not sure if I like this idea or not. I'd need to know more about how it would work.

You can call it whatever you want but i believe it should be in the game long ago.I don't think that by differently you mean making players life harder.I don't see the drawback in implementing this.

This would work similar to other games.It could have different tabs for dungeons/trials/roleplaying and people would create lobbies naming them after the activity they are after.

I edited that part out of my post because what we call it doesn't really matter. But I don't think it makes the game any harder by not having this feature. I've always been able to find groups for World Bosses just by asking in zone. The exception being Harrowstorms which is because these take several players and that zone is older content now and less populated.

As far as dungeons there is a group finder and there should be one for trials too, in my opinion, and maybe even arenas. But for things like role playing, the best option for that is joining a role playing guild.

Instead of groups finders we have the ability to join 5 guilds and can find pools of like minded players in these.