What was it about RNG fixes?

drsalvation

If I recall correctly, we shouldn't be getting set items that are already in our stickerbook unless we have the full set, right?
So I just ran moon hunter keep and got 2 times the same breeches I was grinding for even tho I already had it in my stickerbook (and yet any sort of weapons and shields are still missing).

I have 6 items of moon hunter in my stickerbook already bound to my account (shoulder, belt, pants, ring, resto staff, flame staff). I stil need
-hat
-robe
-gauntlets
-boots
-necklace
-sword
-axe
-mace
-2h sword
-2h axe
-2h mace
-dagger
-bow
-snow staff
-lightning staff
-shield

I made sure I equip every item before running the dungeon again so that they're bound and added to stickerbook.
And yet this run gave me nothing new, instead I got 2 pants, only traits are different.

So does traits affect RNG so you basically still get the same item but different trait?
If that's the case, then it's not much of a QOL improvement after all isn't it?

Is it just bugged and broken, or did I misunderstood how the RNG was supposed to work?

jle30303

Several things here:

(1) Chests can drop any item but this is NOT curated loot, it is purely random and allows duplicates. Also you're likely to find no chests at all, and a maximum of two (and even these may be in side rooms that you don't pass through).

(2) ONLY the final boss can drop Weapons or Jewelry. Yup, that's right, 1 boss can drop any of 45 items (4x 1h weapon, 3x 2h weapon, 4x staff, shield, bow, ring, amulet, to make 15 items, from each of 3 different dungeon sets.) THIS loot IS curated - you're guaranteed to get something that isn't already in your sticker book.

(3) ALL the other bosses can ONLY drop Armour - that is Head, Chest, Legs, Feet, Hands, Shoulders, Waist. From the three dungeon sets.

BUT...

(4) The same (previously unknown) thing CAN drop twice in a dungeon, if it is not equipped and thus put in your sticker book at once after the first time. You probably got two pairs of the same breeches because the first one wasn't YET in your sticker book - maybe you owned it but hadn't yet equipped or deconstructed it to put it into your sticker book: being in your inventory isn't enough, and you thus could get a duplicate.

This is even true if you do two runs of the same dungeon in quick succession, and (for instance) get the Moon Hunter Breeches from your first run, and still have it in your inventory but not yet stickered (perhaps it's the one thing from that set which you owned but forgot to equip), when you do the second run - and thus, were still eligible to get those same breeches from the non-final bosses of the second run, until the pants were finally actually stickered by either wearing them, deconstructing them, or owning them for over 2 hours.

Also, see (1): if your duplicate breeches came from a chest rather than a boss, this is entirely plausible and simply bad luck, because drops from chests are not curated.

AND

(5) There are two other sets from that dungeon, as well as the one called "Moon Hunter". There's also Jailer's Tenacity and Savage Werewolf. The non-final bosses can drop the armour-type pieces from ALL of those sets.

So, if you're not lucky with chests, you may need as many as an absurd 45 runs of this dungeon - and of every other - to "score" all the weapons, jewelry and shields.

Bat

Before anyone goes spreading misinformation; No, you understood it right, which means it is entirely possible the old bug of non-curation has re-established itself in a recent patch. You should get armor that you yet did not collect from bosses leading up to the final boss, and after the stickerbook is filled the drops revert back to entirely randomized. You should consider putting a ticket in.

drsalvation

@jle30303 I see, so the thing about the breeches is that I DID get them bound to my account, I had them since yesterday, and the moment I get out of the dungeon, I bind every gear that other players didn't want at the time, so I did make sure that I already had them on the stickerbook, and considering I had only found 2 chests in my past 4 runs, I'm sure I got them dropped from bosses (since this happened in a single run with no chests).
I'm also aware of the other armor sets, I'm ok with them, and I did figure I could get duplicates in the same run (I got 2 shoulder pads from the medium set, and I'm fine with that). The thing about the breeches is that I got those yesterday, and they had been in my stickerbook for a full day.
But I didn't know that about chests, that's insightful, I'll know where to focus on next runs from now on. Thanks for that info!

@Bat based on the whole parameters mentioned on the previous reply, it looks like non-curation creeped its way back in then.

PeacefulAnarchy

jle30303 wrote: »

(3) ALL the other bosses can ONLY drop Armour - that is Head, Chest, Legs, Feet, Hands, Shoulders, Waist. From the three dungeon sets.

It is more nuanced than this. Different bosses have different loot tables. So not every boss can give every body part.
Minor bosses will drop one of: Hands, Waist, Feet
Bosses will drop one of: Chest, Shoulder, Head, Legs
Final bosses will drop one of: Jewelry, Weapon, Shield

In addition to looting chests, random enemies do have a small chance of dropping items, and I believe these are not curated.