I've given up trying to do the thieves quests in the time allotted

lurkin777

It's near to impossible with the way the dungeons are setup and the number of npc's with lanterns running around!

Plus some (half the time) I can't even see the rings that show the their reveal area are.

Plus if you kill a mob they cut the time in half.

Someone needs to look at this!!!!!!

Hapexamendios

It just takes practice. You'll eventually learn the maps and spawn points for the treasurs. I've been able to get the best rewards on magika based characters.

Tannus15

ring of the hunt and a set of night's silence and you're golden.

lurkin777

When did you last do these?

Doesn't matter how fast you are if your can't go by the ones with the lanterns without ducking into the hiding places and losing a bunch of time. Plus the locations of the items are in places with a lantern holder in the way with no alternate route. If you are seen the time is cut so much you might as well not try.

spartaxoxo

Just use stealth gear. You won't get caught.

Tannus15

lurkin777 wrote: »

When did you last do these?

Doesn't matter how fast you are if your can't go by the ones with the lanterns without ducking into the hiding places and losing a bunch of time. Plus the locations of the items are in places with a lantern holder in the way with no alternate route. If you are seen the time is cut so much you might as well not try.

I must admit, i stopped doing them after i had all the thieves guild motifs. but it's not like they have changed.
the speed gear makes it easy to make up the time you lose waiting for the light holders to move past.

just make sure you have the stealth cp (green tree) as well as the legerdemain passives to help with hiding and wear 5pc medium night silence. you can also get 3pc night terror from stormhaven overland for additional "you really can't see me".

there is nothing wrong with the content

kringled_1

One of the maps, I think its the Hideaway, can be problematic for time as it has very long stretches of corridor with lantern guards. Most of the others I don't typically have any isues with; that one can be fine or it can be very tight for time depending on the objective locations.

Lumenn

It really does just take practice. Just like when someone starts soloing dungeons they tend to build heavier for survival but as they get more experience they can slowly convert to more DPS. In this though build for stealth. Khajiit night blade, med armor(there are a few that aid in stealth, and several guides for builds) cp for stealth/speed. You don't NEED all of that, it's just the "overkill" while you learn and you can trim what you need(my first character that did it was an argonian Magicka sorcerer. By the time I created and tried a nb I already knew what I was doing) just keep practicing, look up a stealth build, and good luck!

SeaGtGruff

They're difficult, but not impossible-- especially if you have the passives that improve your chances of forcing a lock instead of having to pick it. Also, it's often possible to go out of sneak and run around quickly, only going into sneak when necessary to avoid being seen. Other than that, it can be a question of having done a particular job enough times to become familiar with the possible places where the bonus targets can be.

Edit: Also, the passives, gear, etc. that decrease the radius within which you can be detected, increase your speed while sneaking, and so on can help.

RisenEclipse

I have managed to get 100% on most of my thieves Guild heists. Probably about 1/7 times I don't get a perfect run. I also play a necro, so I don't get the fancy nightblade abilities to help. Here's what you need to do to make them stupid easy to do on any class. You dont even need to do all of this to get perfect heist runs, but if you do it will make them a breeze:

Level up your thieves Guild and Legerdman
-Improved Hiding from Legerdman reduces the stam needed to sneak, so you can be in sneak mode a lot longer.
-Veil of Shadow from Thieves Guild reduces your detection range by 10% which is quite a lot.

Put champ points into sneak things (GREEN tree)
-Out of Sight can reduce your radius you can be detected by up to 3 meters max. Which with the above passive can greatly reduce the chance of NPCs finding you.
-Fleet Phantom can remove the movement speed of sneak by 25% allowing you to sneak much, much faster. You can also use the vamp passive or the Nights Silence set for this too.
-Liquid Efficiency can give you a 10% chance not to use a potion when consuming it, which is important for the next thing.

Alchemy
-The BEST potion imo for the heists is Essence of Invisibility that grants 15.7 seconds of invisibility AND increases your movement speed by 30%. Combined with the above passives that increase your speed while sneaking and you are basically flying while sneaking. I would only use it seldomly, like for sticky situations. As there is the cooldown for potions.
-To make it you will need Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot.
-Since it needs three ingredients, you might have to spend some time leveling up alchemy, or get a friend to make it for you.

As for the heists themselves, take your time. The timer is actually really long for them. But every time you get caught, it reduces the amount of time you have left. Meaning if you take your time and don't panic rush into it, you will have so much more time. When you rush into it, you are more likely to get caught, and more likely to reduce the time you have left. When there are people with blue circles there is either a place you can go around them (usually like a rock or wood wall that removes their line of sight from you. Even if you're forced out of sneak, as long as something is between you and them they cant find you). Or there is a basket you can jump in and hide, and wait for them to pass. Mind where the NPCs are, check the NPC pathways each time you enter a room. If an NPC is stepping away from the chest you need, go in and grab it quickly as the NPCs have a habit of returning and hovering over the mission items. Requiring you to waste time waiting for them to move their butts out of the way again.

LadyLethalla

No one mentioned the blasted hard-to-see traps...

RisenEclipse

LadyLethalla wrote: »

No one mentioned the blasted hard-to-see traps...

Traps are supposed to glow when you're crouched. It works for me and I can easily see the traps. If it does not glow while you're sneaking then it is bugged and you need to submit a ticket.

Ilumia

RisenEclipse wrote: »

LadyLethalla wrote: »

No one mentioned the blasted hard-to-see traps...

Traps are supposed to glow when you're crouched. It works for me and I can easily see the traps. If it does not glow while you're sneaking then it is bugged and you need to submit a ticket.

Now you mention this I do remember a time when they glowed for me. They don't any longer though, thanks for pointing it out.

bodge2372

I think the last time I did one of these (or was it the DB Version? One of them, anyway), I got pissed off with it and slaughtered everybody I could. Easy way to do it is just go magblade and stealth your way through it.Except the guards that is...

DizzyMac

Vamp stage 4 and sprint thru it, passives make you invisible while sprinting

Belidos

I've not had too many issues completing these. It also help to know that what you see on the map isn't necessarily the whole map, there are side tunnels that don't show on the map and are hidden by vines etc. that are massive short cuts, one of the maps you can literally enter a hidden passage and be at the target in ten seconds and out again in ten more.

Snamyap

LadyLethalla wrote: »

No one mentioned the blasted hard-to-see traps...

Agree, anything faster than just Night Silence/Vamp passive is more of a hindrance than a boon imho because you run into traps and get spotted.

MakoRuu

The best way is to wear the right gear, and have the right Champion Rank Passives.

Passives that decrease your detection radius, decrease the amount of stamina sneak requires, and increase your movement speed.

And the armor you want to wear is called Night's Silence. It's a craftable set, and the five piece Ignores the Movement Penalty of Sneak.

And The Ring of the Wild Hunt is immensely helpful as well. Makes you SUPER fast, even in Sneak.

And you definitely want some Roguish Stealth Draughts. They give you eleven seconds of invisibility.

Or, if you're a night blade, you want Shadow Cloak, obviously.

Eat food that buffs magicka (Not stamina even if you are stamina based.) Shadow Cloak is expensive and you want as much magicka as possible.

Once you get the hang of Heists, you can easily do them in just a few minutes.

karthrag_inak

You need a set of Sneaky Cat's Pajamas - 3 pieces of Night Terror gear, 4 pieces of Darloc Brae, and 5 pieces of Night Mother's Embrace.

or you need to be a sneaky cat >_<.

SydneyGrey

Secret to doing thieve's guild heists: Just kill everything in there and don't pay attention to the timer.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

If you can’t make Night’s Silence, Shadow Dancer’s Raiment has the same 5-piece bonus and drops in Greenshade. It’s a little more Magicka-oriented then Night’s Silence.

Heartrage

If you can’t see the circles, toggle you sneak in and out (while away from ennemies that can see you). If it’s too hard, try equipping sets, armor type and CP stars that increase your speed and reduce you detected range while sneaking. If you need invisibility and aren’t a nightblade, you can also buy potions. I will recommend investing in the locksmith passive of the ledgermain skill line to open chests faster. Finally, you can also quit the quest in your quest journal if you don’t think you will make it. That will teleport you back in the guild and you can start the quest over with a new timer.

I’ve been doing this quest for the last few weeks. It’s not hard with proper preparation.

Heartrage

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Secret to doing thieve's guild heists: Just kill everything in there and don't pay attention to the timer.

The rare syvarra scales and bahrara curse set pieces only drop when you complete the quest with the timer though.

Number_51

Far from impossible. I do at least one every day since TG release (guaranteed motif). Most can be done in around 2 minutes. I messed up bad last night, got spotted twice and had to stop and fight one of them. Still finished with 4:19 left.

I've changed the way I do them a few times over the years. Originally I was doing them on a stam blade using three different sets in a front bar/back bar setup (Night's Silence could be activated on back bar and remain active after bar swap). Now I just mag blade with high recovery (Eye Bowl) and cloak through the whole thing.

There's only one spot in any of the maps where the blue circle is unavoidable (without backtracking a long way). It's the east-west hallway coming out of the west side of the northern-most room. There's some rocks you have to hide behind. It doesn't matter if you're revealed by the blue circle as long as the NPC doesn't see you.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

It's far from impossible. With some stealth gear and such they are even very easy. Just need some practice and patience.

alberichtano

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Just use stealth gear. You won't get caught.

I have a khajit named Zathras who has mastered all things stealth, the best stealth-gear and maxed sneaking CPs. Still have a hard time getting it done on time, and fail more often than not.

This is only a problem with the TG dailies, to be sure - DB daily goes without a hitch (unless I as a player botch something, which happens rarely).

Also, because you can pickpocket and steal in the DB daily, it is a far better thieving daily than the TG one is. No time limitation, just sneak around and pickpocket all you want to your heart's content, especially since there is only one NPC that is hard to pickpocket from (that is, doesn't have a 100% success rate the first two tries, and 95% at the third - when pickpocketing at non-green period).

Kinda odd that DB dailies are more thievy than TG.

bruta

medium armor passives + out of sight constellation = faceroll heists

AcadianPaladin

After being unimpressed with trying to meet the time thing, I changed direction completely. I now treat them just like a normal delve - leisurely killing and looting everything inside them. With the big advantage that they are solo! They actually have quite a bit of nice loot if you take the time to look in all the nooks, crannies, containers. You still complete the quest, just don't get the speed 'bonus', whatever that is. That change in approach has really made them fun for me.

Heartrage

@AcadianPaladin
The speed bonus gives you a better container that can give you rare piece sets, some of which, can be sold from 30k to 100k gold to other players.

Bhaalthazar

Khajiit + Vampire + Out Of Sight Champion Point Passive + Night Mother's Embrace & Darloc Brae sets (with medium passives) + Ring of the Wild Hunt

With that no one sees you, even if you step on his foot. If, in addition, you remember maps and locations, it is done in no time.

gamergirldk

use invisible postion aswell with speed buff