Group Finder for Trials

bmw

So, I did my first trial ever in a PUG as a healer. it was nCR. I had a good time doing it. PUG's work better for me as my schedule is ever changing but it is pretty hard to get into and find certain PUG's

We need a Group Finder for Normal Trials Only. This would greatly increase the trials that are run by others like myself who have dynamic schedules.

perfiction

Group Finder? Imo it won't work, just look at the state of dungeon finder with all those fake tanks, fake healers and fake DDs. But cross-instance zone chat for Craglorn? That would make finding trial groups easier.

bmw

perfiction wrote: »

Group Finder? Imo it won't work, just look at the state of dungeon finder with all those fake tanks, fake healers and fake DDs. But cross-instance zone chat for Craglorn? That would make finding trial groups easier.

I hang out in Craglorn looking at chat......feel Im just wasting time doing nothing sitting there looking at chat unless Im missing something where I can see zone chat for Craglorn while being in a different zone.

Amottica

Finding a decent guild that runs raids will provide a superior experience to anything the GF could provide.

Theros

perfiction wrote: »

Group Finder? Imo it won't work, just look at the state of dungeon finder with all those fake tanks, fake healers and fake DDs. But cross-instance zone chat for Craglorn? That would make finding trial groups easier.

Don't forget fake achivments too. Now, with AwA any Healer player can be a 100k DD because he have achiv in any char. Same for all other roles! I know one player and he is Tank as main char, all achivments he have, he gain them in Tank. But now, he go as DD and even Healer... I stop to play with him every time he go as DD\Healer. His words was :"I don't care if we don't finish"
But it's all ok. I vote in that Trial Finder this can't go worse

radiostar

As long as it's not mandatory or giving more benefits than chat-pugging, it would be ok for a lot of players

bmw

Amottica wrote: »

Finding a decent guild that runs raids will provide a superior experience to anything the GF could provide.

Problem is my schedule changes so not sure a lot of Trial guilds would have me.

perfiction

Theros wrote: »

Don't forget fake achivments too. Now, with AwA any Healer player can be a 100k DD because he have achiv in any char. Same for all other roles! I know one player and he is Tank as main char, all achivments he have, he gain them in Tank. But now, he go as DD and even Healer... I stop to play with him every time he go as DD\Healer. His words was :"I don't care if we don't finish"
But it's all ok. I vote in that Trial Finder this can't go worse

Ask for logs then, who cares about achievements anyway

ixthUA

In FFXIV, trial finder is a place to practice until you are experienced enough for custom groups. When i did PUG trials - fail rate was around 90%, still people were doing them actively.
There was also coil of bahamut - harder than trials, fail rate nearly 100% with PUG, but again great place to practice.
In ESO i havent done a single trial and not going to, due to inconvenience. With PUG, i can queue when i have time, and drop queue when there is not enough time. With premade group it would not be nice to leave after 15 minutes.
ESO has a lot of mature players, with jobs, family and daily schedule. Waiting 1 hour for group to form hardly fits into it.

Iselin

bmw wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

Finding a decent guild that runs raids will provide a superior experience to anything the GF could provide.

Problem is my schedule changes so not sure a lot of Trial guilds would have me.

There's a big difference between a "trial guild" and normal large guilds that also do trials. The second type would have you.

Amottica

bmw wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

Finding a decent guild that runs raids will provide a superior experience to anything the GF could provide.

Problem is my schedule changes so not sure a lot of Trial guilds would have me.

As is noted in the post before this, you don’t need and really don’t want a trial guild. A good active social guild will often run trials

Granted, there are a lot of guilds with lame leaders so you may kiss some frogs until you find the right one.

xXSilverDragonXx

Craglorn zone chat is group finder for trials.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

perfiction wrote: »

Group Finder? Imo it won't work, just look at the state of dungeon finder with all those fake tanks, fake healers and fake DDs.

While I won’t say it can’t or won’t happen, part of the problem with dungeons is that you only need two DPS, and they’re relatively common, so the queue for DPS is much longer and some people cheat the system by queueing for something they’re not to shorten the wait. Trials need (depending on the Trial) about eight DPS, so the hypothetical queue would be shorter. There is always going to be a risk of ending up with people who aren’t good at anything unless you’re running with people you know, that’s just the nature of the beast and we get that in Zone chat now.

jecks33

100% yes!!

Pve guilds are pretty empty atm and wasting time in Belkart waiting for the right trial to start is freaking boring

LesserCircle

Everyone against this option is against pugs in craglorn too but they don't know it yet.

renne

Theros wrote: »

perfiction wrote: »

Group Finder? Imo it won't work, just look at the state of dungeon finder with all those fake tanks, fake healers and fake DDs. But cross-instance zone chat for Craglorn? That would make finding trial groups easier.

Don't forget fake achivments too. Now, with AwA any Healer player can be a 100k DD because he have achiv in any char. Same for all other roles! I know one player and he is Tank as main char, all achivments he have, he gain them in Tank. But now, he go as DD and even Healer... I stop to play with him every time he go as DD\Healer. His words was :"I don't care if we don't finish"
But it's all ok. I vote in that Trial Finder this can't go worse

You know people could always do that, right? As long as respeccing is available? And that with AwA the name on the achievement doesn't say anything about what role you were playing to get them? I could quite literally respec my dd dk into a tank right this moment and claim I got all my trial achievements tanking, when I absolutely did not and that has absolutely nothing to do with AwA.

I know everyone loves to blame it for every problem these days, but AwA has absolutely nothing to do with it.

jecks33

Theros wrote: »

Don't forget fake achivments too. Now, with AwA any Healer player can be a 100k DD because he have achiv in any char. Same for all other roles! I know one player and he is Tank as main char, all achivments he have, he gain them in Tank. But now, he go as DD and even Healer... I stop to play with him every time he go as DD\Healer. His words was :"I don't care if we don't finish"
But it's all ok. I vote in that Trial Finder this can't go worse

we are talking about NORMAL trials, who cares about achievements and what character did or didn't complete vet trials?

redlink1979

FYI there was a grouping tool for trials.
"(...) You can use the group finder tool to locate others for your Trial group, but be warned: you’ll need excellent coordination and skill to take on the Trials. (...)"
Patch Notes v1.1.2

And it was...
"(...) Removed Trials from the activity type section of the Grouping Tool as it was non-functional. (...)"
Patch Notes v2.2.2

ZiggyTStardust

I would like for them to add a group finder option for trials, but not with a queue system. More like a global "lfg" menu, that could replace craglorn zone chat. Like you could look for specific roles for a specific trial or you could say you were looking for a group for that trial

Tanis-Stormbinder

Yes! we need a Group Finder for Trials

jecks33

redlink1979 wrote: »

FYI there was a grouping tool for trials.
"(...) You can use the group finder tool to locate others for your Trial group, but be warned: you’ll need excellent coordination and skill to take on the Trials. (...)"
Patch Notes v1.1.2

And it was...
"(...) Removed Trials from the activity type section of the Grouping Tool as it was non-functional. (...)"
Patch Notes v2.2.2

exactly this but one that works

M0ntie

Yes. To replace using Craglorn zone chat. Any finder wouldn’t be worse than that.
And especially as you can only be in 5 guilds in game, doesn’t allow you to be in enough guilds to find trials.

renne

You don't have to try very hard to find social guilds or training guilds who run trials on any server, though. Five guilds is more than enough unless you're a hardcore trader in 5 trading only guilds.

LashanW

Yes, a group finder for normal trials would be very nice. It could be queue based or even LFG lobby based, either would be a great addition to the game.
Normal trials definitely could use more accessibility.

renne wrote: »

And that with AwA the name on the achievement doesn't say anything about what role you were playing to get them?

Just to clarify, that name on achievement tooltip is not visible to other players in the first place.

Ragnarok0130

For those who say it won't work, other MMOs use this very system for their versions of trials and it works quite well. Just like in Craglorn you can get fake healers, fake tanks, DPS who don't know how to properly DPS etc. - that's a player issue not a group finder issue. If you get a fake tank kick him and re-queue for a replacement. I suspect a vote kick would need to be implemented to prevent the occurrence that the problem child is the group leader but none of this is insurmountable and I believe the benefits far outweigh any potential negatives for a trials group finder tool.

renne

LashanW wrote: »

Just to clarify, that name on achievement tooltip is not visible to other players in the first place.

Oh I'm sure it isn't, because other players can't see your achievements anyway - unless you post a screenshot.

haelgaan

yes please ZOS, this is an easy win - Expand the Activity Finder to include Trials

kargen27

I'm not sure a group finder similar to the dungeon group finder is the way to go. Some trials need two tanks some do not. Same with healers.
Instead I think we need another channel in the chat window that allows starting and advertising trial groups. I think it should be seen in all zones if players opt to have it shown. To prevent it becoming a place to spam guild ads and players trying to sell things it would need to be an automated type of thing. A player would chose the trial from a dropdown and then select the make-up desired for the trial. In chat you would see something like 'Player1 beginning Cloudrest needs 1 tank 2 healers 8 DPS' or 'Player1 filling Cloudrest needs 1 healer 2 DPS'. Right click on the players name for invite.
I suppose it could also allow a player to look for an existing group with 'Player2 DPS looking for Cloudrest'. Everything happens with dropdown menus so the channel doesn't become a catchall for garbage. That way players wanting to run a trial are not stuck in Craglorn looking for a group. They can fish in Deshaan while they try and find a group if they want.

Uvi_AUT

bmw wrote: »

So, I did my first trial ever in a PUG as a healer. it was nCR. I had a good time doing it. PUG's work better for me as my schedule is ever changing but it is pretty hard to get into and find certain PUG's

We need a Group Finder for Normal Trials Only. This would greatly increase the trials that are run by others like myself who have dynamic schedules.

I would come back for that.

FeedbackOnly

I really wish but nobody has figured out how to design it well yet. It can't work like dungeon finder.

tonyblack

It would be a good start to add brp and dsa to current group finder as it was requested for years, same group composition as for dungeons, same difficulty as dlc dungeons. Getting group to farm lead in dsa was tedious at best. Trials would require some tweaks in their queue and probably in some encounters but I can see how it would be huge improvement over standing afk in craglorn and hoping for someone do a dirty job and start a group for trial you want to run. Don’t want to use it? Ignore it and continue to run with guilds or whatever. But it’s hard to deny there is a demand for such feature.