General Ideas for Solo Magsorc Gear (not BIS)

ADarklore

Since I plan to build my new Magsorc as a pet build... I'm curious to know what gear is the best combo... I do have the Pale Order ring btw. I'm trying to decide which is the best combination between Necropotence, Mother's Sorrow, Julianos and NMA. Then I also have to decide between Thief, Lover or Apprentice mundus (depending on the gear combo).

Ideas and thoughts would be appreciated... again... not looking for BIS or any gear that's only found in dungeons; just open-world or crafted sets.

Thanks!!

Bradyfjord

Mother's Sorrow is too good for you to pass up, in my opinion. I would pair that with Julianos or NMA. The stats from Necropotence are very good also, but not as impactful as it used to be. And with Ring of the Pale Order, you still have one more piece that can be anything (Monster 1pc, Trainee gear, etc.)

That's what I would do given your set choices. Since you're not going for BIS just take the above to purple.
Edit: All traits should be Divines on the body, unless you need some stats. I'd go Spell Damage on jewelry. And Precise or Sharpened for the weapon traits, unless you want an infused on the backbar.

tsaescishoeshiner

I would agree with Mother's Sorrow, but recommend Julianos over NMA just because you'll have better sustain with Julianos.

One benefit of Thief stone is that it boosts your healing from Critical Surge, because the heal doesn't scale with your offensive stats, but CAN crit. Apprentice would be good if you're running out of Magicka, obviously.

Really, you can't go wrong with any combination of those two sets (other than not wanting 2 crafted sets to save resources). It would help to know what kind of content you want to solo--dolmens, skyreach, vMA, DLC world bosses?

Good luck with the build!

ankeor

Since you are going to be a pet sorc, I highly recommend Medusa set.
The pets will take 4 of your slots so you can get Minor Force for free with Medusa.
It should be better than Mother Sorrow.
It is a heavy set so you can have 1 staff, 2 jewels (because you will use Pale Order) and 1 head/shoulder. You will need to transmute jewels also. But I think it is the best option. I am not recommending Tzogvin instead because as a solo player you should not deal with trying to have stacks.

2nd set I would recommend would be Overwhelming Surge if you are going to be close to the targets. It deals aoe shock damage around you and returns magicka back. If you always want to be ranged, you can go Mother Sorrow instead.

Final build should look like

1p Valkyn Skoria or Slimeclaw head (light weight)
1p Medusa shoulder
5p Overwhelming Surge or Mother Sorrow(on body)
1 Pale Order
2 Jewels Medusa
Medusa Staff(Staff type depends on your preference)

SippingPotions

A few years ago when I switched to pc from console I got flawless conqueror on a mag sorc with mothers sorrow and julianos at around 200cp. That was before pale order but when monster sets actually did decent damage.
When I came back from a long break a few months ago I got spirit slayer on the same setup. Lover mundus for solo content for sure.

ADarklore

Thanks for the ideas. I was leaning towards Mother's Sorrow/NMA with Apprentice mundus with running an infused/reduce mag cost enchant on the Pale Order ring to offset 5% cost increase with NMA... Dark Elf is my race.

I believe with MS/NMA and precise staves my crit should be good, and with NMA and all Light armor, my pen might be pretty high too, so then I'd go with Apprentice to increase spell damage.

I already have all of the sets I listed in my starting post in gold divines, just trying to figure out which to use. My character is currently fresh out of the crib, so he can't equip any sets until I get him leveled, so I don't know what the final numbers are going to be yet.

ADarklore

ankeor wrote: »

Since you are going to be a pet sorc, I highly recommend Medusa set.
The pets will take 4 of your slots so you can get Minor Force for free with Medusa.
It should be better than Mother Sorrow.
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Thanks. But I did mention in my opening post that I did not want ANY dungeon gear because I don't run group dungeons, except when I'm in the mood to solo, which is rarely.

Kisakee

I'd recomment 5x Mother's Sorrow, 1x mythic item (doesn't need to be Pale Order ring as your Critical Surge skill is a top notch healing ability, 3x Vengeance Leech for sustain (weapons + jewelry only) and 3x Mad Tinkerer for that extra crit chance.

If you could get yourself to do any dungeons you can use 1-piece monster sets like Slimecraw head and Zaan shoulders for better crit and 1 piece Trainee for more health.

Edit: And Thief mundus for sure, more crit is more damage and more healing for you.

Bobby_V_Rockit

ADarklore wrote: »

ankeor wrote: »

Since you are going to be a pet sorc, I highly recommend Medusa set.
The pets will take 4 of your slots so you can get Minor Force for free with Medusa.
It should be better than Mother Sorrow.
<snip>

Thanks. But I did mention in my opening post that I did not want ANY dungeon gear because I don't run group dungeons, except when I'm in the mood to solo, which is rarely.

Just throwing this out there, but Arx Corinium is one the easiest dungeons and can be solo’d on normal mode ad nauseum. Even more so if you’re using the other gear and especially the Pale Order Ring. I’m just awful at ESO and that’s how I got my Medusa stuff

ADarklore

Kisakee wrote: »

I'd recomment 5x Mother's Sorrow, 1x mythic item (doesn't need to be Pale Order ring as your Critical Surge skill is a top notch healing ability, 3x Vengeance Leech for sustain (weapons + jewelry only) and 3x Mad Tinkerer for that extra crit chance.

If you could get yourself to do any dungeons you can use 1-piece monster sets like Slimecraw head and Zaan shoulders for better crit and 1 piece Trainee for more health.

Edit: And Thief mundus for sure, more crit is more damage and more healing for you.

From everything I've read, there is a point where crit is no longer as useful... as in diminishing returns. Most posts I've seen have said roughly 50-60% is the sweet spot for crit. The higher spell damage, the more damage your crits do as well as healing increases too. With low spell damage, your crits are going to crit for lower... so trying to find the sweet spot for just the right amount of crit chance + spell damage + crit damage is an important factor to consider as well.

Kisakee

ADarklore wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

I'd recomment 5x Mother's Sorrow, 1x mythic item (doesn't need to be Pale Order ring as your Critical Surge skill is a top notch healing ability, 3x Vengeance Leech for sustain (weapons + jewelry only) and 3x Mad Tinkerer for that extra crit chance.

If you could get yourself to do any dungeons you can use 1-piece monster sets like Slimecraw head and Zaan shoulders for better crit and 1 piece Trainee for more health.

Edit: And Thief mundus for sure, more crit is more damage and more healing for you.

From everything I've read, there is a point where crit is no longer as useful... as in diminishing returns. Most posts I've seen have said roughly 50-60% is the sweet spot for crit. The higher spell damage, the more damage your crits do as well as healing increases too. With low spell damage, your crits are going to crit for lower... so trying to find the sweet spot for just the right amount of crit chance + spell damage + crit damage is an important factor to consider as well.

With a non-optimal setup aka not having two full sets of crit bonuses you're not going to have too much crit chance so for my suggestion i'll stay with Thief mundus. But yeah, having more than 70% crit chance nowadays would be somewhat wasted.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

I would certainly start with Mothers Sorrow. Its pretty hard to beat for on easy to get overland set. Lots of my alts still run it because I have so much of it lying around. While you can certainly just front bar it, its better on the body. If not running an arena staff on back bar, the front bar vs body distinction likely doesn't matter as both sets will be active all the time.

In terms of the other three, while please don't hold me to this, I think it would go something like this:

NMA: Most damage, worse sustain. Does make a decent front bar set, which means you wont have the cost penalty when on your back bar if running a MA staff.

Necropotence: Least damage, best defense and sustain. More magic means bigger shields and more casts before you run out, all else equal. Obviously, need to have pets, but sounds like you will. I wish this set was stronger. I have a few gold sets just collecting dust. Not worthless, but hasnt tasted meta in years. You definitely want this set active on both bars, so if you plan to run an arena staff, it needs to be on body. Also not a bad PVP set for a pet sorc.

Julianos. Middle of the road. Less damage than NMA, but likely no sustain issues. I think its more damage than necro, but I am not 100% sure on that. Also works (as does NMA) if you want to drop pets for whatever reason. Can be front barred if needed, wont be a huge DPS loss.

Thief or maybe Lover will be your best bet, but setting to thief and forgetting is probably the best move. A lot of Overland content only has half the armor of 4 man content, so getting to the pen cap just isnt that hard. If you plan to solo things with 18.2k armor, Lover may be an appealing option.

Dont listen to people saying more than 50% crit is wasted. Crit damage is hard capped at 125%, but you simply dont need to worry about having too much crit chance (they are different stats). I am not saying there isnt a point of diminishing returns, but you wont get there with the sets in question. Crit is king for PVE damage.