rollback

samir666

Please, Zenimax/Bethesda/Microsoft... rollback this game while you can!

Qagh

Yes, rollback, please!

I don't play ESO after the terrible Update 33.

fall0athboy

It's not getting rolled back. It's been said elsewhere that that would involve rolling back everything, Crown Store purchases included.

If a rollback were to happen it would have happened the day of release. It's been a week. It's not happening.

Theros

I don't care if they rollback to any early vertsion but i really hope they something about that.
Is that some option? Do we keep foward in story or it's better stop? Can we make trades?
It will be nice if they can say: "Rollback may happen", or "We will NOT make rollback"

PvP_Exploiter

No reason to rollback

Theros

PvP_Exploiter wrote: »

No reason to rollback

lol! Until now there's no valid reason to keep foward! Have you look at the game? It's a mess... I only keep foward because plus is counting. If was not because of that, when plus ends and if game stay like this. It will be game over for me.

Game is a mess! Rollback will be very, very wellcome

Ulvich

Rollbacks have happened before in the past, and we survived just fine. Check out this thread.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/87874/stay-out-of-coldharbour-na-server#latest

ApoAlaia

Yeah, no.

They may be able to roll back the servers, but they can't roll back the arrow of time.

Arunei

Theros wrote: »

I don't care if they rollback to any early vertsion but i really hope they something about that.
Is that some option? Do we keep foward in story or it's better stop? Can we make trades?
It will be nice if they can say: "Rollback may happen", or "We will NOT make rollback"

Gina actually mentioned in the stickied Q&A that they wouldn't be rolling back unless something catastrophic happened. As frustrating as these issues we're having are, they aren't anywhere near catastrophic.

Ulvich wrote: »

Rollbacks have happened before in the past, and we survived just fine. Check out this thread.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/87874/stay-out-of-coldharbour-na-server#latest

Uh, that wasn't an official servers-wide rollback, that was a bug that only seemed to affect one area for about a day and can't be compared in the slightest to an ACTUAL rollback that would undo over a week of stuff. Xbox was having an issue with progress not saving and essentially rolling back a few weeks ago, but again that was a bug, not an intentional rollback.

As I mentioned above, Gina has already said U33 wouldn't be reverted unless something catastrophic happened. There are too many things that would be lost if they did a roll back. Characters that have been created since then would get deleted, anything that's been earned or obtained like achievements, gold, CP, and so on would be lost. People who bought Crown Crates would lose those items, any kind of quest or achievement progress would be lost. People who decorated any Houses would have all that work undone. Mount training and Trait research would be lost. There's probably other stuff I'm missing too. And every day that passes is just more that would be lost.

Also, they wouldn't have done the Explorer's Event if they intended to do a rollback. It would make the event completely pointless to remove everything it gave.

zharkovian

At this point it is probably best to avoid the game completely while the team works towards fixing the issue.

Onomog

Arunei wrote: »

As I mentioned above, Gina has already said U33 wouldn't be reverted unless something catastrophic happened. There are too many things that would be lost if they did a roll back. Characters that have been created since then would get deleted, anything that's been earned or obtained like achievements, gold, CP, and so on would be lost. People who bought Crown Crates would lose those items, any kind of quest or achievement progress would be lost. People who decorated any Houses would have all that work undone. Mount training and Trait research would be lost. There's probably other stuff I'm missing too. And every day that passes is just more that would be lost.

Also, they wouldn't have done the Explorer's Event if they intended to do a rollback. It would make the event completely pointless to remove everything it gave.

This. Asking or hoping for a rollback now is screaming in to the wind. It's not going to happen. What the game is currently is what we have, until any fixes rollout in the incremental patch. /fingers-crossed it helps rather than creates more headaches & heart burn.

Ulvich

Arunei wrote: »

Theros wrote: »

I don't care if they rollback to any early vertsion but i really hope they something about that.
Is that some option? Do we keep foward in story or it's better stop? Can we make trades?
It will be nice if they can say: "Rollback may happen", or "We will NOT make rollback"

Gina actually mentioned in the stickied Q&A that they wouldn't be rolling back unless something catastrophic happened. As frustrating as these issues we're having are, they aren't anywhere near catastrophic.

Ulvich wrote: »

Rollbacks have happened before in the past, and we survived just fine. Check out this thread.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/87874/stay-out-of-coldharbour-na-server#latest

Uh, that wasn't an official servers-wide rollback, that was a bug that only seemed to affect one area for about a day and can't be compared in the slightest to an ACTUAL rollback that would undo over a week of stuff. Xbox was having an issue with progress not saving and essentially rolling back a few weeks ago, but again that was a bug, not an intentional rollback.

As I mentioned above, Gina has already said U33 wouldn't be reverted unless something catastrophic happened. There are too many things that would be lost if they did a roll back. Characters that have been created since then would get deleted, anything that's been earned or obtained like achievements, gold, CP, and so on would be lost. People who bought Crown Crates would lose those items, any kind of quest or achievement progress would be lost. People who decorated any Houses would have all that work undone. Mount training and Trait research would be lost. There's probably other stuff I'm missing too. And every day that passes is just more that would be lost.

Also, they wouldn't have done the Explorer's Event if they intended to do a rollback. It would make the event completely pointless to remove everything it gave.

Arunei wrote: »

Theros wrote: »

I don't care if they rollback to any early vertsion but i really hope they something about that.
Is that some option? Do we keep foward in story or it's better stop? Can we make trades?
It will be nice if they can say: "Rollback may happen", or "We will NOT make rollback"

Gina actually mentioned in the stickied Q&A that they wouldn't be rolling back unless something catastrophic happened. As frustrating as these issues we're having are, they aren't anywhere near catastrophic.

Ulvich wrote: »

Rollbacks have happened before in the past, and we survived just fine. Check out this thread.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/87874/stay-out-of-coldharbour-na-server#latest

Uh, that wasn't an official servers-wide rollback, that was a bug that only seemed to affect one area for about a day and can't be compared in the slightest to an ACTUAL rollback that would undo over a week of stuff. Xbox was having an issue with progress not saving and essentially rolling back a few weeks ago, but again that was a bug, not an intentional rollback.

As I mentioned above, Gina has already said U33 wouldn't be reverted unless something catastrophic happened. There are too many things that would be lost if they did a roll back. Characters that have been created since then would get deleted, anything that's been earned or obtained like achievements, gold, CP, and so on would be lost. People who bought Crown Crates would lose those items, any kind of quest or achievement progress would be lost. People who decorated any Houses would have all that work undone. Mount training and Trait research would be lost. There's probably other stuff I'm missing too. And every day that passes is just more that would be lost.

Also, they wouldn't have done the Explorer's Event if they intended to do a rollback. It would make the event completely pointless to remove everything it gave.

ZoS never responded to this issue, so we never knew if it was bug or not. As for the entire game being rolled back.... It's only a virtual world, anyway. I am sure that ZoS would find a way to compensate. They have in the past. People are so bent on gaining something, and right now is not the time for character progression. Since ZoS won't respond to any of us we have no way of knowing what to expect.
So far during this past week I have done nothing. My toons haven't even left home. If there is a roll back I would lose nothing.

Melivar

Roll back would just be silly. Have things been annoying as heck particularly if trying to do anything in a group heck ya. Load times in and out of anything have been pretty horrible the dungeon que even with a full group has been comical at times for sure.

All that said I have still been able to accomplish plenty in my 3-4 hours every evening from 9PM Est to 12-1 AM EST. I've been in several groups that cleared the 2 new dungeons. We did randoms for transmutes/xp last night even helping a guildie get a new character to level 50 in the process. Filling the sticker book and leveling Bastian in public dungeons which I know many others have been doing as well.

So yea its been a pain in the arse but even so myself and many others have been making progress. Many a time did I nearly just log out in frustration until hearing a call for help on discord or in guild chat.

Hopefully things are better tonight so the fun can continue.

Vexen

Do not Rollback. Fix Forward.

ADarklore

I was running dolmens just a bit ago leveling up some skills; played more than two hours and didn't have a single problem.

karekiz

Theros wrote: »

PvP_Exploiter wrote: »

No reason to rollback

lol! Until now there's no valid reason to keep foward! Have you look at the game? It's a mess... I only keep foward because plus is counting. If was not because of that, when plus ends and if game stay like this. It will be game over for me.

Game is a mess! Rollback will be very, very wellcome

It only happens on NA though. No reason to roll back because one server *** the bed.

It is more likely due to whatever they did to the NA server only and not just updating achievements or hybrid stats. If it was both servers would be identical in effect.

Tesman85

ADarklore wrote: »

I was running dolmens just a bit ago leveling up some skills; played more than two hours and didn't have a single problem.

No problems for me either on PC EU server. It would help if people who complain about performance and technical problems stated on what server they play on. It's most probable the problems plaguing PC NA server have nothing to do with the update itself but with some other thing. Otherwise the EU server would be affected, too.

Personally, I don't support a rollback. I'd prefer ZOS found a way to fix things like NPCs treating alts like they've done something they haven't (if this is indeed true, haven't experienced this yet myself). Account-wide achievements is a good idea in itself, but should have been done in a more limited fashion. Grindy things like angler achievements, kill x amount of y type of enemy players and so on should be account-wide. For me those matter only for the dyes and other possible rewards, so if every character can contribute it just means the boring part is over sooner. It's a non-issue which character gets the "honour" of completing them (except maybe for grand master crafter). To this extent the update is an excellent thing.

But quest achievements and the like? Well, they are a different story. As an avid quester, I would like they were kept character-bound. It's nothing game-breaking, but a bit annoying. To sum it up, I don't like the way this was done but can live with it. At least no alts seem to be locked out of quests, which is the main thing. E.g. I was able to advance in an alliance questline with an alt just fine even though I had completed it with another character before.

So, AwA is a good idea botched badly in the implementation. Let's see if ZOS can fix the mess.

Arunei

Ulvich wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

Theros wrote: »

I don't care if they rollback to any early vertsion but i really hope they something about that.
Is that some option? Do we keep foward in story or it's better stop? Can we make trades?
It will be nice if they can say: "Rollback may happen", or "We will NOT make rollback"

Gina actually mentioned in the stickied Q&A that they wouldn't be rolling back unless something catastrophic happened. As frustrating as these issues we're having are, they aren't anywhere near catastrophic.

Ulvich wrote: »

Rollbacks have happened before in the past, and we survived just fine. Check out this thread.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/87874/stay-out-of-coldharbour-na-server#latest

Uh, that wasn't an official servers-wide rollback, that was a bug that only seemed to affect one area for about a day and can't be compared in the slightest to an ACTUAL rollback that would undo over a week of stuff. Xbox was having an issue with progress not saving and essentially rolling back a few weeks ago, but again that was a bug, not an intentional rollback.

As I mentioned above, Gina has already said U33 wouldn't be reverted unless something catastrophic happened. There are too many things that would be lost if they did a roll back. Characters that have been created since then would get deleted, anything that's been earned or obtained like achievements, gold, CP, and so on would be lost. People who bought Crown Crates would lose those items, any kind of quest or achievement progress would be lost. People who decorated any Houses would have all that work undone. Mount training and Trait research would be lost. There's probably other stuff I'm missing too. And every day that passes is just more that would be lost.

Also, they wouldn't have done the Explorer's Event if they intended to do a rollback. It would make the event completely pointless to remove everything it gave.

Arunei wrote: »

Theros wrote: »

I don't care if they rollback to any early vertsion but i really hope they something about that.
Is that some option? Do we keep foward in story or it's better stop? Can we make trades?
It will be nice if they can say: "Rollback may happen", or "We will NOT make rollback"

Gina actually mentioned in the stickied Q&A that they wouldn't be rolling back unless something catastrophic happened. As frustrating as these issues we're having are, they aren't anywhere near catastrophic.

Ulvich wrote: »

Rollbacks have happened before in the past, and we survived just fine. Check out this thread.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/87874/stay-out-of-coldharbour-na-server#latest

Uh, that wasn't an official servers-wide rollback, that was a bug that only seemed to affect one area for about a day and can't be compared in the slightest to an ACTUAL rollback that would undo over a week of stuff. Xbox was having an issue with progress not saving and essentially rolling back a few weeks ago, but again that was a bug, not an intentional rollback.

As I mentioned above, Gina has already said U33 wouldn't be reverted unless something catastrophic happened. There are too many things that would be lost if they did a roll back. Characters that have been created since then would get deleted, anything that's been earned or obtained like achievements, gold, CP, and so on would be lost. People who bought Crown Crates would lose those items, any kind of quest or achievement progress would be lost. People who decorated any Houses would have all that work undone. Mount training and Trait research would be lost. There's probably other stuff I'm missing too. And every day that passes is just more that would be lost.

Also, they wouldn't have done the Explorer's Event if they intended to do a rollback. It would make the event completely pointless to remove everything it gave.

ZoS never responded to this issue, so we never knew if it was bug or not. As for the entire game being rolled back.... It's only a virtual world, anyway. I am sure that ZoS would find a way to compensate. They have in the past. People are so bent on gaining something, and right now is not the time for character progression. Since ZoS won't respond to any of us we have no way of knowing what to expect.
So far during this past week I have done nothing. My toons haven't even left home. If there is a roll back I would lose nothing.

ZOS not responding in itself proof that wasn't an intentional rollback, and the fact that it was only one area and kept happening repeatedly is also proof in itself. Rollbacks don't affect just one zone and they wouldn't keep happening through the day, it would be a single time. Why would they purposefully keep undoing progress rather than doing a single one? A rollback is a serious thing, ZOS wouldn't implement one without warning people ahead of time to not do things until afterward, to minimize loss.

One could also use your "it's only a virtual world", "ZOS could compensate", and "people bent on gaining things" logic to argue against a rollback. If it's only a virtual world then what does it matter if things AREN'T rolled back, if they can compensate why not compensate the people who want the game rolled back, aren't the people who want things rolled back also bent on gaining something?

PvP_Exploiter

Theros wrote: »

PvP_Exploiter wrote: »

No reason to rollback

lol! Until now there's no valid reason to keep foward! Have you look at the game? It's a mess... I only keep foward because plus is counting. If was not because of that, when plus ends and if game stay like this. It will be game over for me.

Game is a mess! Rollback will be very, very wellcome

I mean the game has issues but nothing new this patch.

Cadbury

Tesman85 wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

I was running dolmens just a bit ago leveling up some skills; played more than two hours and didn't have a single problem.

No problems for me either on PC EU server. It would help if people who complain about performance and technical problems stated on what server they play on. It's most probable the problems plaguing PC NA server have nothing to do with the update itself but with some other thing. Otherwise the EU server would be affected, too.

Personally, I don't support a rollback. I'd prefer ZOS found a way to fix things like NPCs treating alts like they've done something they haven't (if this is indeed true, haven't experienced this yet myself). Account-wide achievements is a good idea in itself, but should have been done in a more limited fashion. Grindy things like angler achievements, kill x amount of y type of enemy players and so on should be account-wide. For me those matter only for the dyes and other possible rewards, so if every character can contribute it just means the boring part is over sooner. It's a non-issue which character gets the "honour" of completing them (except maybe for grand master crafter). To this extent the update is an excellent thing.

But quest achievements and the like? Well, they are a different story. As an avid quester, I would like they were kept character-bound. It's nothing game-breaking, but a bit annoying. To sum it up, I don't like the way this was done but can live with it. At least no alts seem to be locked out of quests, which is the main thing. E.g. I was able to advance in an alliance questline with an alt just fine even though I had completed it with another character before.

So, AwA is a good idea botched badly in the implementation. Let's see if ZOS can fix the mess.

I doubt ZOS considers this a "mess".
The best any can hope for is that the lag and long load times get sorted soon. Maybe before Jester's Festival starts.

Sevalaricgirl

Melivar wrote: »

Roll back would just be silly. Have things been annoying as heck particularly if trying to do anything in a group heck ya. Load times in and out of anything have been pretty horrible the dungeon que even with a full group has been comical at times for sure.

All that said I have still been able to accomplish plenty in my 3-4 hours every evening from 9PM Est to 12-1 AM EST. I've been in several groups that cleared the 2 new dungeons. We did randoms for transmutes/xp last night even helping a guildie get a new character to level 50 in the process. Filling the sticker book and leveling Bastian in public dungeons which I know many others have been doing as well.

So yea its been a pain in the arse but even so myself and many others have been making progress. Many a time did I nearly just log out in frustration until hearing a call for help on discord or in guild chat.

Hopefully things are better tonight so the fun can continue.

Exactly, I did the Summerset public dungeons this morning, solo. I do not want a roll back. Even with the few issues, I got a lot accomplished.

Mythgard1967

Please do not Rollback. That would be horrific.

Also; making the assumption this is all connected to AWA is a very dangerous and likely untrue assumption. More than likely, it exposed other things vs directly causing everything. That's a major fallacy in that assumption. Not that there are not some issues with AWA; but, its a very bad logical assumption to assume all issues came from that. In that case...a rollback would do nothing other than mean we move the pain; just fix it going forward.. Likely PTS testing wouldn't be able to "catch" these things either.....especially if new hardware came online or other systems or processes with issues are showing their impact now with AWA or just happened at the same time as AWA. You can't assume all of those systems or hardware were in play in PTS.

barney2525

You Don't want a Roll Back.

You just want a Switch Back to the rules/system from before this Update.

Simple and efficient.

Bat

What you are saying is that everyone who made progress since launch should have that work undone, just because a few of you are salty about AWA...

I spent the last week gathering some materials on PC-NA where I need materials because I recently started playing more seriously on those servers. This is what you suggest should be taken away from me just because you can't cope.

Beetle Scuttle 36
Blessed Thistle 944
Blue Entoloma 90
Bugloss 886
Butterfly Wing 14
Clam Gall 4
Columbine 883
Corn Flower 867
Dragonthorn 926
Emetic Russola 9
Fleshfly Larva 77
Imp Stool 66
Lady's Smock 807
Luminous Russola 47
Mountan Flower 857
Mudcrab Chitin 32
Namira's Rot 56
Nightshade 865
Nirnroot 574
Powdered Mother of Pearl 8
Scrib Jelly 39
Spider Egg 79
Stinkhorn 94
Torchbug Thorax 13
Violet Coprinus 81
Water Hyacinth 596
White Cap 46
Wormwood 662

Iron Ore 533

Orichalcum Ore 400

Raw Cotton 253

Pewter Dust 454

Rough Beech 720

Rough Maple 676

Rubedite Ore 5800

Raw Ancestor Silk 13272

Rubedo Hide Scraps 1154

Platinum Dust 3551

Rough Ruby Ash 8100

Arunei

It's not even just physical mats like those that would be lost. All your gold, exp/CP, and more would get rolled back to pre-U33.

Also, this would literally be removing achievements people may have gotten since last Monday. AwA may have removed replayability for a number of people, but it didn't literally undo any progress made towards specific achievements or remove them from your account once you unlocked them. A rollback would do just that, it would actually remove things people have accomplished. I can empathize with people whose way of enjoying the game has been hampered or maybe even gutted entirely, but the answer isn't to undo work everyone has put in since U33 went live.

barney2525

Which is WHY you simply Switch back to the previous system that was being used. You don't need to "lose" anything. No one complained about Losing things when the update hit. You just Update again - using the Previous system so everything works the way it did Before this most recent Update.

Nobody "loses" anything.

daim

I dont get it. Didnt notice anything that would require a rollback in U33 o.O

BloodyStigmata

Not gonna happen. Server performance has been *** garbage, and that's not cool, but that's something they can work on and it doesn't require everyone losing weeks worth of progress.