Will Flawless Conquerer be account wide? That would be disappointing.

Selminus

Those were a lot of work and not everyone can do em.

Amottica

Selminus wrote: »

not everyone can do em.

Clearly the players who have the title can do em.

The flip side is only those who have proven themselves capable can show the title.

wenchmore420b14_ESO

From my last peek in PTS, yes, it will be account wide.
We will see tomorrow.

#pleasedelayAwA

newtinmpls

Selminus wrote: »

Those were a lot of work and not everyone can do em.

Well if by "everyone" you mean every character - then that would align with those who did not want forced account wide achievements

If by "everyone" you mean not every player - that would align with those who wanted account wide achievements.

kringled_1

Getting flawless on dk for me took a significant amount of failed runs and changes to the skill setup and approach for a couple of the arenas, whereas it just sort of happened on some of my other characters. I've never even tried for flawless on my heal, tank, and stamina dps characters. But apparently as of Monday I'll be able to use the title on all of them. It's not how I would have implemented things but that's what ZOS went with.

joerginger

newtinmpls wrote: »

forced account wide achievements

We've had forced character-only achievements for way too long.

Dragonnord

Amottica wrote: »

Selminus wrote: »

not everyone can do em.

Clearly the players who have the title can do em.

That a player can get the title with his/her one bar heavy attack easy mode magsorc doesn't mean he/she can do a flawless run with his/her stamina nightblade.

vesselwiththepestle

Dragonnord wrote: »

That a player can get the title with his/her one bar heavy attack easy mode magsorc doesn't mean he/she can do a flawless run with his/her stamina nightblade.

Funny thing, I've got Flawless Conquerer and Spirit Slayer on my Stamblade. I wasn't able to do any of that on my Magsorc, haha.

Lazarus_Rising

You make it sound like that people get it who have never done a flawless run. I mean the person did it once so what is the problem?

AcadianPaladin

Might I suggest that those who care, simply not display the title on characters that have not individually completed the requirements?

I might remind that there are a great many players (like me) who pay no attention to such things either for themselves or what might be displayed by others.

Are there really players who get fussed over what some other player may or may not display on their character? If there are, so what?

Amottica

Dragonnord wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

Selminus wrote: »

not everyone can do em.

Clearly the players who have the title can do em.

That a player can get the title with his/her one bar heavy attack easy mode magsorc doesn't mean he/she can do a flawless run with his/her stamina nightblade.

I did not say that. The OP correctly stated "not everyone can do em" to which I agreed and that those how have been able to do it have the title.

Heck, most cannot do it with any build. There are those who have it now got it by using two sets that prevented death that has since been changed.

Arunei

I'm not really sure why it matters. If you see someone else with the Title are you really going to lose sleep over whether that specific character of theirs earned it? They were able to get the Title at least once; it isn't as though people who haven't already gotten are going to have it. And it's not like it's a Title that can be bought with a carry.

spartaxoxo

Everyone who has the title can do them

TX12001rwb17_ESO

From now on think of it like this...

They are YOUR achievements not your characters.

TiberX

Why am I under the impression that [snip] AWA are the same as the ones asking AWA from @ZOS before? And no matter what they will have some bad comments?
Like omg why do I have to grind all that on 16 chars? (u don't btw)
then OMG AWA ruining the game , now what do i do? All player will have Flawless and spirit slayer! Nope, they will be the same ( i have them btw and i dont mind)

[edited for bait]

wenchmore420b14_ESO

TiberX wrote: »

Why am I under the impression that all whiners about AWA are the same as the ones asking AWA from @ZOS before? And no matter what they will have some bad comments?
Like omg why do I have to grind all that on 16 chars? (u don't btw)
then OMG AWA ruining the game , now what do i do? All player will have Flawless and spirit slayer! Nope, they will be the same ( i have them btw and i dont mind)

I just want to point out that the "whining" is not about titles.
You must not have tested the PTS or read the almost 90 pages of feedback about what the true issues are.
Here is the link:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/596970/pts-update-33-feedback-thread-for-account-wide-achievements#latest

Broken quest lines, NPC dialogs, some quest rewards locked out, zone maps showing all completed, quest ending changed or not doable, and more.
Also if you read the thread, even those who wanted AwA didn't want all our alts history and personality to be deleted.
Yes, it is WAY more than just titles.
My 2 drakes... Huzzah!

EF321

If you don't want character who didn't do FC to use FC title, don't use FC title on that character.

If you care if other people earned that particular title on that particular character, you should not. Or you should be advocating for tying achievements to specific build they were earned in, otherwise it is meaningless since you can respec any character to anything.

Runefang

Flawless is a non-event these days. No big deal.

thorwyn

Next thing: Godslayer title in login rewards.

RisenEclipse

imo Maelstrom is mostly mechanic based. You gotta know how to maneuver your character around the arena, dodge at the right instance, do this mechanic at the right time. To me that is more the player's achievement, and less the character's. Each character has to do those things, and that is based on the player's skill to see the mechanics and maneuver around them. So seeing someone have the title will only make me think that they knew what they were doing in the arena. Not if that character "earned" it.

Tommy_The_Gun

I guess It might as well be any "hard to get" achievement. But honestly, Flawless Conquerer is easy compared to Emperor title. Yep, titles will also be account wide lol

Dragonnord

vesselwiththepestle wrote: »

Dragonnord wrote: »

That a player can get the title with his/her one bar heavy attack easy mode magsorc doesn't mean he/she can do a flawless run with his/her stamina nightblade.

Funny thing, I've got Flawless Conquerer and Spirit Slayer on my Stamblade. I wasn't able to do any of that on my Magsorc, haha.

Works both ways then.

kringled_1

RisenEclipse wrote: »

imo Maelstrom is mostly mechanic based. You gotta know how to maneuver your character around the arena, dodge at the right instance, do this mechanic at the right time. To me that is more the player's achievement, and less the character's. Each character has to do those things, and that is based on the player's skill to see the mechanics and maneuver around them. So seeing someone have the title will only make me think that they knew what they were doing in the arena. Not if that character "earned" it.

While it's mostly mechanics based, different builds will encounter different difficulties. For me, the main failure point on melee builds was in the vault of umbrage, since archers are perfectly happy to sit in the bloom radius of a flower which is very risky when a venom caller appears.
Secondary moments were the trolls in the rink of frozen blood, and abilities that will unintentionally kill menders when they put the shield up. So the difference between having it on one character and another is meaningful to me, and my last character to get flawless was my first to get spirit slayer. I'm not super upset about the title changes but it's not always as simple as "the player did it on one character so of course they could do it on anything".

EF321

kringled_1 wrote: »

RisenEclipse wrote: »

imo Maelstrom is mostly mechanic based. You gotta know how to maneuver your character around the arena, dodge at the right instance, do this mechanic at the right time. To me that is more the player's achievement, and less the character's. Each character has to do those things, and that is based on the player's skill to see the mechanics and maneuver around them. So seeing someone have the title will only make me think that they knew what they were doing in the arena. Not if that character "earned" it.

While it's mostly mechanics based, different builds will encounter different difficulties. For me, the main failure point on melee builds was in the vault of umbrage, since archers are perfectly happy to sit in the bloom radius of a flower which is very risky when a venom caller appears.
Secondary moments were the trolls in the rink of frozen blood, and abilities that will unintentionally kill menders when they put the shield up. So the difference between having it on one character and another is meaningful to me, and my last character to get flawless was my first to get spirit slayer. I'm not super upset about the title changes but it's not always as simple as "the player did it on one character so of course they could do it on anything".

It is not going to automatically label all your characters as Flawless Conqueror. It is an option that you have and you can use it as you see fit.

kringled_1

EF321 wrote: »

kringled_1 wrote: »

RisenEclipse wrote: »

imo Maelstrom is mostly mechanic based. You gotta know how to maneuver your character around the arena, dodge at the right instance, do this mechanic at the right time. To me that is more the player's achievement, and less the character's. Each character has to do those things, and that is based on the player's skill to see the mechanics and maneuver around them. So seeing someone have the title will only make me think that they knew what they were doing in the arena. Not if that character "earned" it.

While it's mostly mechanics based, different builds will encounter different difficulties. For me, the main failure point on melee builds was in the vault of umbrage, since archers are perfectly happy to sit in the bloom radius of a flower which is very risky when a venom caller appears.
Secondary moments were the trolls in the rink of frozen blood, and abilities that will unintentionally kill menders when they put the shield up. So the difference between having it on one character and another is meaningful to me, and my last character to get flawless was my first to get spirit slayer. I'm not super upset about the title changes but it's not always as simple as "the player did it on one character so of course they could do it on anything".

It is not going to automatically label all your characters as Flawless Conqueror. It is an option that you have and you can use it as you see fit.

I'm not an idiot. I know that what title I use is up to my own decision.

RisenEclipse

kringled_1 wrote: »

RisenEclipse wrote: »

imo Maelstrom is mostly mechanic based. You gotta know how to maneuver your character around the arena, dodge at the right instance, do this mechanic at the right time. To me that is more the player's achievement, and less the character's. Each character has to do those things, and that is based on the player's skill to see the mechanics and maneuver around them. So seeing someone have the title will only make me think that they knew what they were doing in the arena. Not if that character "earned" it.

While it's mostly mechanics based, different builds will encounter different difficulties. For me, the main failure point on melee builds was in the vault of umbrage, since archers are perfectly happy to sit in the bloom radius of a flower which is very risky when a venom caller appears.
Secondary moments were the trolls in the rink of frozen blood, and abilities that will unintentionally kill menders when they put the shield up. So the difference between having it on one character and another is meaningful to me, and my last character to get flawless was my first to get spirit slayer. I'm not super upset about the title changes but it's not always as simple as "the player did it on one character so of course they could do it on anything".

I was more or less talking about viewing OTHER players who have the title. You know which character of your own has earned it, and which doesn't. So just throw it on a character that you feel comfortable using it with. But im not going to sit and stress over if that so and so earned that title on the character he is using it for. That player earned it in a very mechanic heavy arena. That player KNOWS what to do in my mind. Sure they might not have gotten the hang of it on every character. But that doesn't change the fact that they as the player still earned that achievement. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

HappyTheCamper

TiberX wrote: »

Why am I under the impression that all whiners about AWA are the same as the ones asking AWA from @ZOS before? And no matter what they will have some bad comments?
Like omg why do I have to grind all that on 16 chars? (u don't btw)
then OMG AWA ruining the game , now what do i do? All player will have Flawless and spirit slayer! Nope, they will be the same ( i have them btw and i dont mind)

While I’m all for criticizing the game in healthy ways, I feel like you could say this about every change ZOS does. People will just complain for the most minuscule reasons.

kringled_1

RisenEclipse wrote: »

kringled_1 wrote: »

RisenEclipse wrote: »

imo Maelstrom is mostly mechanic based. You gotta know how to maneuver your character around the arena, dodge at the right instance, do this mechanic at the right time. To me that is more the player's achievement, and less the character's. Each character has to do those things, and that is based on the player's skill to see the mechanics and maneuver around them. So seeing someone have the title will only make me think that they knew what they were doing in the arena. Not if that character "earned" it.

While it's mostly mechanics based, different builds will encounter different difficulties. For me, the main failure point on melee builds was in the vault of umbrage, since archers are perfectly happy to sit in the bloom radius of a flower which is very risky when a venom caller appears.
Secondary moments were the trolls in the rink of frozen blood, and abilities that will unintentionally kill menders when they put the shield up. So the difference between having it on one character and another is meaningful to me, and my last character to get flawless was my first to get spirit slayer. I'm not super upset about the title changes but it's not always as simple as "the player did it on one character so of course they could do it on anything".

I was more or less talking about viewing OTHER players who have the title. You know which character of your own has earned it, and which doesn't. So just throw it on a character that you feel comfortable using it with. But im not going to sit and stress over if that so and so earned that title on the character he is using it for. That player earned it in a very mechanic heavy arena. That player KNOWS what to do in my mind. Sure they might not have gotten the hang of it on every character. But that doesn't change the fact that they as the player still earned that achievement. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Fair enough, I guess I didn't read your first post the way you meant it.
I don't actually put a lot of weight into someone else's flawless title anyways because I don't know how they did it (high health /defensive sets, all sigils, etc.)

Dragonnord

Yes, my "Carry My Items" alt that never wielded a sword, in fact I think he hasn't even ever moved yet in the game, remains always in front of the banker, will have the title.

Treeshka

They should just get rid of the achieved by thing in the tooltip at this point just to give the feeling of player accomplishment rather than character accomplishment. Since there is no turning back from this now and they are already trying to reduce the data load on the server and why not just remove the achieved by thing as well.

EF321

Dragonnord wrote: »

Yes, my "Carry My Items" alt that never wielded a sword, in fact I think he hasn't even ever moved yet in the game, remains always in front of the banker, will have the title.

And... then what? Someone will see it and know that player Dragonnord did vMA flawlessly in the past on one of their characters? [snip]

[edited for minor baiting]