Three Men Enter, Only One Leaves

SunBroDesion

Three DPS classes are dropped in and forced to fight, who will be the victor? All have ring of the pale order(only equipment given

Casul

MagSorc

Depends on the area they are fighting.

Close quarters with hallways and rooms. Stamdk/magplar.

Open field.
Magsorc easy.

SkaraMinoc

MagSorc

With only Pale Order and no other gear? Easily Mag Sorc. It's not even close.

xDeusEJRx

MagSorc

Stam DK will fold most likely because sustain problems of keeping up some of their important buffs which cost magic, I know they will all have sustain issues because no equipment, but they will be the most disadvantaged, even with sustain food.

Magplar will more than likely have a hard time not being able to heal/purge spam away the sorc's damage, that is if the sorc is semi-competent at the class. Even if they can cc the sorc, I can't imagine the sorc will stay still with streak/shield combo and then start pelting the plar again. If they try to turtle up with purge/honor the dead their sustain will tank and they'll fold. I just can't see magplar keeping up to the sorc without any gear other than Pale order

Mobility and damage is going to win in a fight such as this with little sustain and pretty much even levels of damage. And in this case, sorc toolkit is the best for this.
So my vote goes to the Mag sorc

Jaimeh

MagSorc

The magsorc, he streaks away

milllaurie

Stam DK

Idk why everyone are vouching for magsorc but I eat them for breakfast on my stamdk. Dot pressure, gapclosing ult, plenty of cc. Idk what game you guys are playing but stamdk smacks sorcs hard.
As for magplar you gotta take into account that every jab is proccing volatile ir 10-15% damage done will be done passively. If the said stamdk slots cutting defense cp aswell it will be somewhere in the 20-30% dmg. I have seen templars kill themselves like that.

Larcomar

MagSorc

I'm bringing my magsorc. Unless it's a really small room.

SkaraMinoc

MagSorc

milllaurie wrote: »

Idk why everyone are vouching for magsorc but I eat them for breakfast on my stamdk. Dot pressure, gapclosing ult, plenty of cc. Idk what game you guys are playing but stamdk smacks sorcs hard.
As for magplar you gotta take into account that every jab is proccing volatile ir 10-15% damage done will be done passively. If the said stamdk slots cutting defense cp aswell it will be somewhere in the 20-30% dmg. I have seen templars kill themselves like that.

This thread is about only equipping Ring of the Pale Order.

Mag Sorc has everything they need without gear.

• Burst combo damage
• Sustain (Dark Conversion) that also heals for 4000 health every cast (with Battle Spirit)
• Mines
• The best escape in the game (Ball Lightning)
• Crystal Fragments proc hits like an Ultimate and it's available every 3 seconds on average
• Crystal Fragments heals 2000+ health every cast (with Battle Spirit)
• Absorption Field (Negate) is a very strong defensive ultimate
• Crystal Fragments + Power Overload weave is extremely high pressure

Stam DK without any gear will not eat a Mag Sorc for breakfast. It will be the other way around.

Also, don't forget the Mag Sorc will steal the other player's kill with Endless Fury

Vevvev

MagPlar

As someone who actually used a little baby no gear Magplar as a joke... I think they got this in the bag. Was tempted to vote stamDK because with no actual gear they're the only ones able to restore their primary resource by heavy attacking with their fists.

Dojohoda

I really do not know. Perhaps someone could arrange a tournament in Cyrodiil to find out which class wins the most.

milllaurie

Stam DK

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

milllaurie wrote: »

Idk why everyone are vouching for magsorc but I eat them for breakfast on my stamdk. Dot pressure, gapclosing ult, plenty of cc. Idk what game you guys are playing but stamdk smacks sorcs hard.
As for magplar you gotta take into account that every jab is proccing volatile ir 10-15% damage done will be done passively. If the said stamdk slots cutting defense cp aswell it will be somewhere in the 20-30% dmg. I have seen templars kill themselves like that.

This thread is about only equipping Ring of the Pale Order.

Mag Sorc has everything they need without gear.

• Burst combo damage
• Sustain (Dark Conversion) that also heals for 4000 health every cast (with Battle Spirit)
• Mines
• The best escape in the game (Ball Lightning)
• Crystal Fragments proc hits like an Ultimate and it's available every 3 seconds on average
• Crystal Fragments heals 2000+ health every cast (with Battle Spirit)
• Absorption Field (Negate) is a very strong defensive ultimate
• Crystal Fragments + Power Overload weave is extremely high pressure

Stam DK without any gear will not eat a Mag Sorc for breakfast. It will be the other way around.

Also, don't forget the Mag Sorc will steal the other player's kill with Endless Fury

Does not look to me you have ever played a stamdk.
Stamdk has: constant (almost passive) pressure with dots. They tick even when I am defensive.
Highest tooltip burst ultimate in the game (which I use to gapclose to you when you think you are at a safe distance because you streaked).
Plenty of cc to keep you in place.
Plenty of sustain (combustion, battle roar).
Corrosive; that is not too good against the templar but wonderful against a sorc.
Wings to laugh at your sorc.

"Also, don't forget the Mag Sorc will steal the other player's kill with Endless Fury "
This was never about kills, it is about who leaves.
Mines+streak. So you wanna be mobile or stand your ground? You can't do both.
Also I would like the OP to show me the room. If it has a box (or anything really) magsorc is quite screwed, aint it?

xDeusEJRx

MagSorc

milllaurie wrote: »

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

milllaurie wrote: »

Idk why everyone are vouching for magsorc but I eat them for breakfast on my stamdk. Dot pressure, gapclosing ult, plenty of cc. Idk what game you guys are playing but stamdk smacks sorcs hard.
As for magplar you gotta take into account that every jab is proccing volatile ir 10-15% damage done will be done passively. If the said stamdk slots cutting defense cp aswell it will be somewhere in the 20-30% dmg. I have seen templars kill themselves like that.

This thread is about only equipping Ring of the Pale Order.

Mag Sorc has everything they need without gear.

• Burst combo damage
• Sustain (Dark Conversion) that also heals for 4000 health every cast (with Battle Spirit)
• Mines
• The best escape in the game (Ball Lightning)
• Crystal Fragments proc hits like an Ultimate and it's available every 3 seconds on average
• Crystal Fragments heals 2000+ health every cast (with Battle Spirit)
• Absorption Field (Negate) is a very strong defensive ultimate
• Crystal Fragments + Power Overload weave is extremely high pressure

Stam DK without any gear will not eat a Mag Sorc for breakfast. It will be the other way around.

Also, don't forget the Mag Sorc will steal the other player's kill with Endless Fury

Does not look to me you have ever played a stamdk.
Stamdk has: constant (almost passive) pressure with dots. They tick even when I am defensive.
Highest tooltip burst ultimate in the game (which I use to gapclose to you when you think you are at a safe distance because you streaked).
Plenty of cc to keep you in place.
Plenty of sustain (combustion, battle roar).
Wings to laugh at your sorc.

Sorry but stam DK sustain is shot with no gear. None of this is really manageable without any gear.
- No roll dodge passives, no damage passives so take flight isn't going to be your saving grace.
-You won't be able to manage any CC's on a stam dk because you have no mag sustain, even less than the other two because they're relying on mag as primary stat, whereas you are stam and probably have no attributes into mag or have little mag from racial passives. Can't use wings often either because you have no sustain towards magic with no gear.
-Can't exploit combustion if you don't reliably have any gear on, combustion is only good with charged. But we're talking about a NO gear stam DK.

Literally everything stam DK has going for it is almost worthless when you take away gear, they heavily rely on gear to get most of the job done and if thrown into a ring they will most likely fold
Really only Mag sorc can get through this as they have damage passives, sustain by dark conversion, CC's that are with their main stat, and speed and manueverability with streak. That plus having tons of ranged to spam you with at distance means they can probably pelt you to death before you can even get to them

milllaurie

Stam DK

xDeusEJRx wrote: »

milllaurie wrote: »

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

milllaurie wrote: »

Idk why everyone are vouching for magsorc but I eat them for breakfast on my stamdk. Dot pressure, gapclosing ult, plenty of cc. Idk what game you guys are playing but stamdk smacks sorcs hard.
As for magplar you gotta take into account that every jab is proccing volatile ir 10-15% damage done will be done passively. If the said stamdk slots cutting defense cp aswell it will be somewhere in the 20-30% dmg. I have seen templars kill themselves like that.

This thread is about only equipping Ring of the Pale Order.

Mag Sorc has everything they need without gear.

• Burst combo damage
• Sustain (Dark Conversion) that also heals for 4000 health every cast (with Battle Spirit)
• Mines
• The best escape in the game (Ball Lightning)
• Crystal Fragments proc hits like an Ultimate and it's available every 3 seconds on average
• Crystal Fragments heals 2000+ health every cast (with Battle Spirit)
• Absorption Field (Negate) is a very strong defensive ultimate
• Crystal Fragments + Power Overload weave is extremely high pressure

Stam DK without any gear will not eat a Mag Sorc for breakfast. It will be the other way around.

Also, don't forget the Mag Sorc will steal the other player's kill with Endless Fury

Does not look to me you have ever played a stamdk.
Stamdk has: constant (almost passive) pressure with dots. They tick even when I am defensive.
Highest tooltip burst ultimate in the game (which I use to gapclose to you when you think you are at a safe distance because you streaked).
Plenty of cc to keep you in place.
Plenty of sustain (combustion, battle roar).
Wings to laugh at your sorc.

Sorry but stam DK sustain is shot with no gear. None of this is really manageable without any gear.
- No roll dodge passives, no damage passives so take flight isn't going to be your saving grace.
-You won't be able to manage any CC's on a stam dk because you have no mag sustain, even less than the other two because they're relying on mag as primary stat, whereas you are stam and probably have no attributes into mag or have little mag from racial passives. Can't use wings often either because you have no sustain towards magic with no gear.
-Can't exploit combustion if you don't reliably have any gear on, combustion is only good with charged. But we're talking about a NO gear stam DK.

Literally everything stam DK has going for it is almost worthless when you take away gear, they heavily rely on gear to get most of the job done and if thrown into a ring they will most likely fold
Really only Mag sorc can get through this as they have damage passives, sustain by dark conversion, CC's that are with their main stat, and speed and manueverability with streak. That plus having tons of ranged to spam you with at distance means they can probably pelt you to death before you can even get to them

And tell me, how exactly is your stam sustain for dark deal on a magsorc?
I can tell one thing for sure - you are heavily biased. No gear stuff applies exactly the same to magsorc. Here our discussion ends since it is getting hypocritical.

xDeusEJRx

MagSorc

milllaurie wrote: »

xDeusEJRx wrote: »

milllaurie wrote: »

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

milllaurie wrote: »

Idk why everyone are vouching for magsorc but I eat them for breakfast on my stamdk. Dot pressure, gapclosing ult, plenty of cc. Idk what game you guys are playing but stamdk smacks sorcs hard.
As for magplar you gotta take into account that every jab is proccing volatile ir 10-15% damage done will be done passively. If the said stamdk slots cutting defense cp aswell it will be somewhere in the 20-30% dmg. I have seen templars kill themselves like that.

This thread is about only equipping Ring of the Pale Order.

Mag Sorc has everything they need without gear.

• Burst combo damage
• Sustain (Dark Conversion) that also heals for 4000 health every cast (with Battle Spirit)
• Mines
• The best escape in the game (Ball Lightning)
• Crystal Fragments proc hits like an Ultimate and it's available every 3 seconds on average
• Crystal Fragments heals 2000+ health every cast (with Battle Spirit)
• Absorption Field (Negate) is a very strong defensive ultimate
• Crystal Fragments + Power Overload weave is extremely high pressure

Stam DK without any gear will not eat a Mag Sorc for breakfast. It will be the other way around.

Also, don't forget the Mag Sorc will steal the other player's kill with Endless Fury

Does not look to me you have ever played a stamdk.
Stamdk has: constant (almost passive) pressure with dots. They tick even when I am defensive.
Highest tooltip burst ultimate in the game (which I use to gapclose to you when you think you are at a safe distance because you streaked).
Plenty of cc to keep you in place.
Plenty of sustain (combustion, battle roar).
Wings to laugh at your sorc.

Sorry but stam DK sustain is shot with no gear. None of this is really manageable without any gear.
- No roll dodge passives, no damage passives so take flight isn't going to be your saving grace.
-You won't be able to manage any CC's on a stam dk because you have no mag sustain, even less than the other two because they're relying on mag as primary stat, whereas you are stam and probably have no attributes into mag or have little mag from racial passives. Can't use wings often either because you have no sustain towards magic with no gear.
-Can't exploit combustion if you don't reliably have any gear on, combustion is only good with charged. But we're talking about a NO gear stam DK.

Literally everything stam DK has going for it is almost worthless when you take away gear, they heavily rely on gear to get most of the job done and if thrown into a ring they will most likely fold
Really only Mag sorc can get through this as they have damage passives, sustain by dark conversion, CC's that are with their main stat, and speed and manueverability with streak. That plus having tons of ranged to spam you with at distance means they can probably pelt you to death before you can even get to them

And tell me, how exactly is your stam sustain for dark deal on a magsorc?
I can tell one thing for sure - you are heavily biased. No gear stuff applies exactly the same to magsorc. Here our discussion ends since it is getting hypocritical.

I don't think I'm biased, I'm providing reasonings to why I believe so, but you haven't really refuted what I'm saying. I've played both mag sorc and stam DK extensively, stam DK more so than mag sorc and they just are far heavily disadvantaged than a mag sorc.

Magsorc can
-Beat you down with multiple ranged abilities like overload, crystal frags, curse.
-Break distance easily with streak
-Has a target dummy(atronach) they can kite around that can sap your HP which forces you to be defensive or break distance, which just results in the mag sorc spamming you from range again, if they use this over overload that is.
-Sustain built into class
-Damage built into class
-Daedric mines, if they wanted to can sit in those mines and quickly burst your HP

Stam DK
-Primarily a melee ranged spec, which already puts them at a disadvantage against mag sorc since they have manueverability to stay away from a stam DK. Plus daedric mines, they can kite around those mines that all hit as hard as their crystal frags do
-No type of sustain outside of their ultimate usage, but once you use it your sustain is gonna be shot. So if you panic leap your sustain is gonna tank fast, trying to hold out for corrosive is gonna be difficult with little to no sustain. Sure mag sorc has crap sustain too but at least they have instant sustain, which stam DK does not unless they have to toss out an ultimate early
-They can't afford to roll dodge, break free, sprint, or block very often in this fight due to having bad sustain here, so they be very careful with their stamina. Mag sorc can just streak + mines whenever they're in a situation they don't like. Stam DK does not have this leisure.
-Over-reliance on magic, a pool they do not have much of and aren't getting any sustain for(outside food). At some point you mag pool is gonna be gone(quicker than the others which a higher mag pool) and your armor buff might just drop entirely putting you at a much bigger disadvantage

If we're being honest there's basically no scenario where the stam DK comes out on top, they're far too disadvantaged especially if dealing with two similarly skilled players. Being forced into melee range is difficult to maintain against a sorc. So how exactly is my opinion "bias" ? I at least compared and contrasted both classes

SkaraMinoc

MagSorc

milllaurie wrote: »

[snip] magsorc is quite screwed, aint it?

Mines hit like a Crystal Frag, there's 5 of them, and they have zero cooldown.

Ball Lightning is way better than Streak for this fight. It provides immunity to roots and snares for kiting around the minefield.

Mag Sorc will be spamming Haunting Curse and Crystal Frag + Power Overload weave while backpedaling through mines.

Naked damage test against 0 armor target (No CP) with Battle Spirit

• Haunting Curse = 2254 damage hit
• 1 Mine = 2005 damage hit
• 1 Crystal Frag = 1867 damage hit
• 1 Crystal Frag proc = 3099 damage hit
• 2 Power Overload @ 2061 damage hit = 4122 damage
• 1 Endless Fury @ 20% health = 2720 damage hit

Total = 16067 damage in 1 second burst window, non-crit

If any of that crits without the target blocking, it's gg. Naked players have 16-22k max health.