Plaguebreak is balanced

SkaraMinoc

Plaguebreak explodes on death just like the set Vicious Death. Except Plaguebreak hits way harder.



1 DK killed 5 players instantly

SkaraMinoc

No not balanced

Does the explosion ignore damage reduction and spell resist? I run a very tanky heal build.

Metemsycosis

No not balanced

shouldnt proc damage against players when npcs die

Ankael07

Yes balanced

Somebody not only purged but it was an AOE purge ( 3 Plague Infected at the same time). Plaguebreak punishes those who blindly play the game like this

SkaraMinoc

No not balanced

Ankael07 wrote: »

Somebody not only purged but it was an AOE purge ( 3 Plague Infected at the same time). Plaguebreak punishes those who blindly play the game like this

Nobody purged. If the target dies with Plague Carrier then the proc explodes.

Brrrofski

No not balanced

Ankael07 wrote: »

Somebody not only purged but it was an AOE purge ( 3 Plague Infected at the same time). Plaguebreak punishes those who blindly play the game like this

Firstly, it procs if someone dies. Which makes it VD on steroids.

Secondly, purging is a key part of being a Templar. It's one of the main perks. Also, warden has an auto purge.

Thirdly, it's too easy to apply. I can light attack one person, who uses a purge, and everyone just dies. VD requires you to kill someone. Plaguebreak requires you to light attack. That's a huge difference.

How can I help it if I'm flipping a flag and some randy purges?

I understand that it was brought in to stop ball groups with purge spamming, but it massively misses the mark.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

No not balanced

Yeah its OP. I made a really bad "ghetto bomber" build that I can swap too just by switching armor sets on my nb and even I can can get massive group wipes with it. I think its that little bit of extra aoe range it has that really makes it so much better then VD. Because of the extra 3m it can explode people that are pretty spread out and I think that makes it a bit unfair.

Larcomar

No not balanced

You got off light. Guild run the other week, people got hit for 43k. It's a bit ridiculous. Everyone's spamming it now.

I wouldn't mind it so much, but it really hits wardens hard. It's like they forgot that netch purged.

Danse_Mayhem

No not balanced

Stupid set. Way overloaded in its damage, proc conditions and cool-down.
Punishes every form of organised play and the only ones who say it isn’t OP are the solo players, or the zergs / ball groups using it to wreck pvp.
Nerf it. Remove the scaling, or add a cool-down to how often you can infect someone. Something please

McTaterskins

No not balanced

The extra bonus of VD functionality makes it 2x better than VD. Plus it scales up with quantity of targets in the vicinity.

Furthermore, it makes everything desync.

Even worse so when coupled with Kynmarcher. Which also makes everything desync.


Want a bunch of eternal 0s debuffs while you're in a BG? 57,000 day debuffs in Cyro? Let that group of 3 dk's and a templar run up on you with their 2min plaguebreak and kynmarcher comps. Don't forget the dash of VD!

xylena_lazarow

No not balanced

Danse_Mayhem wrote: »

Punishes every form of organised play and the only ones who say it isn’t OP are the solo players, or the zergs / ball groups using it to wreck pvp.

Huh? Ball groups are the highest form of organized play... and Plague does nothing to the ones that know to stack enough healing to where they don't even need to purge (or if they do, they're smart about it). Playing solo, this set is a non-issue most of the time, but if I get into a big keep battle it does mean I have to avoid my own allies... like the plague. So basically it punishes pugs/randoms but not groups that stack a ton of heals, so I'm actually with you, dumpster this set.

Necrotech_Master

Yes balanced

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Danse_Mayhem wrote: »

Punishes every form of organised play and the only ones who say it isn’t OP are the solo players, or the zergs / ball groups using it to wreck pvp.

Huh? Ball groups are the highest form of organized play... and Plague does nothing to the ones that know to stack enough healing to where they don't even need to purge (or if they do, they're smart about it). Playing solo, this set is a non-issue most of the time, but if I get into a big keep battle it does mean I have to avoid my own allies... like the plague. So basically it punishes pugs/randoms but not groups that stack a ton of heals, so I'm actually with you, dumpster this set.

this is kind of my thought (and experience with using it), it doesnt affect ball groups that much, its a pressure sure, but its not a be all end all ball killer

in its current state it is pretty balanced (especially if you look at DC or hrothgar that were added in the same patch, DC still gets complaints (which i expect will continue after they fix the scaling dmg in U33) and hrothgar was already nerfed to oblivion)

if they added additional debuff conditions to the plague carrier DoT, then i think it would definitely be OP, as i think it is borderline right now

Danse_Mayhem

No not balanced

It’s a fat carry tbh.
I challenge any pvper to look at their current build and replace the damage set with Plaguebreak. Then look at your tooltips - They will barely change. This is obviously an issue with all proc sets but there is literally no downside to just everyone running this, on whatever role they have.
- Procs on kill OR cleanse (meaning it outperforms VD in every way)
- The proc scales like crazy, again meaning it outperforms VD.
- Has unlimited dot potential with no cooldown, so can be used against a solo player.
- Scales off NPCs / guards.
- Can be used by tanks to murder entire crowds.

Did we realllllly need a set that immediately murders small groups of unorganised players who would generally die to better play anyway? Not imo. Did we need a set that counters ball groups who just rush through cyro with stacked heals? Yes we did, but this set does nothing to those guys, and only gives them an extra tool to use against others - As so admitted by basically every ball group player.

It’s gotten to the point where making a balanced build is irrelevant because you are almost always better just using dark convergence and plaguebreak, spamming AOEs in pvp until you get a big proc.

Remove the scaling of plaguebreak. Easiest fix ever and would balance it right away.

Jykel

No not balanced

As an unskilled ranged bomber, getting numbers like the below is a little unbalanced. While fun to see the plague spread, without an ulti and no resources to spam ele ring, the end damage numbers nearing 70K are a little high

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-Txs23FP2A

WabanakiWarrior

No not balanced

Plaguebreak is 100% broken. It's just too easy to proc. To the people who claim it just requires strategic purging, that is not true at all. I would appreciate a mechanic that forced you to purge strategically, this isn't it. It's pointless to purge plaguebreak because a single light attack would just reapply it. With no cool down. It's not even just light attacks, its all direct damage! You can run away from your group, purge, then have it back on you immediately. And it just happens over and over again. There's no effective counter.
And because of this, you're forced to not purge anything at all. I ran into a BG group last night abusing the hell out of this. 3 dks and a magsorc. All running proc dot sets, including plaguebreak. They stack all their dots onto a target and you can't purge any of it, which is usually the counter to that playstyle. Proc sets like venomous smite never used to be a problem, but now that you can't purge it, it's just free damage. Haunting curse, mages wrath, engulfing flames, burning talons, noxious breath, burning embers, volatile armor, and a bunch of proc sets on top. All things you should usually be able to purge, you're just forced to take the damage right to your face. There isn't a counter to this playstyle anymore.
Find a healer who can out heal that [snip] I suppose might be your only option, but [snip] it's just so broken.

[edited for profanity bypass]

SkaraMinoc

No not balanced

Jykel wrote: »

As an unskilled ranged bomber, getting numbers like the below is a little unbalanced

[snip]

lel

BronzeCaiman

Yes balanced

Plaguebreak is as balanced as unlockable CC and kiting around walls spamming Race Against Time.

VIGIL

No not balanced

It's absolutely insane to me that anyone thought this set was a good idea. Dark Convergence is fine - it's managable, but Plaguebreak is so overtuned. Everyone runs it. Everyone has it. Everyone spams light attacks to proc it. It's on everyone ALL the time. There's no cooldown. It's just a constant DOT you have to deal with with no way of removing it. It's just a permanent AoE DOT you have to deal with whenever you're in Cyrodil or Battlegrounds. Horrible, horrible design.

Tommy_The_Gun

Yes balanced

Plaguebreak is balanced, just like ball groups are totally balanced

Jokes aside, out of all 3 "recent" pvp sets, Plaguebreak is actually the most balanced lol

It is a shame that ZOS is trying to balance out broken & flawed gameplay mechanics and playstyles by adding broken sets.

starlizard70ub17_ESO

Yes balanced

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Plaguebreak is balanced, just like ball groups are totally balanced

Jokes aside, out of all 3 "recent" pvp sets, Plaguebreak is actually the most balanced lol

It is a shame that ZOS is trying to balance out broken & flawed gameplay mechanics and playstyles by adding broken sets.

At least Plaugebreak doesn't drag you off a wall .

WabanakiWarrior

No not balanced

Guys pointing out there's worse [snip] out there doesn't mean Plaguebreak is balanced

[edited for profanity bypass]

Kory

Yes balanced

It's nice to see armor sets more functionally robust than actual abilities. Get blasted by the armor set, that's right totally balanced.

Tommy_The_Gun

Yes balanced

(Voted for sarcasm, obviously)

Anyway, I think the problem with Plaguebreak is that it no longer does what it was supposed to do. It was a very strong counter to ball groups. I have seen it myself (and also some video clips) of ball groups getting destroyed by this set. It was meant to punish spamming purges by a large groups. But nowadays, ball groups have kinda adapted to it - they run less purges but way, way more healing spam.

The problem is that now (like with every thing that was supposed to be a counter for ball groups) it went a compleat 180° and now is basically acts as a better version of vicious death used on solo players / army of randoms / small scale.

The basic problem is that we pretty much have no control over some other player casting purge / negative effect removal on us. We also don't have much control over other player standing within 7 - 8 meters removing negative effect (7 - 8 meters is not stacking btw lol).

So, what ends up happening is that for example, I have a weak DOT on me. No big deal. I use some heal & I don't even notice that DOT. But, sometimes, someone will heal me or remove negative effect from themselves & me and all of the sudden I explode. Quite literally 50K procs (I have like 29K resistant, so it is close to 50% damage reduction) are a norm.

I dont know about you, but every time I see crazy proc like this, it makes me wonder: How much health do I need to survive the proc ? Can I make 50 - 60K health solo build & will I still be able to do something else with it ? Other than stand still like a soft rock that is... ?

I think that what Plaguebreak needs is to have the "additional" damage part changed, so it would scale with the group size.

"The explosion deals an additional 50% damage per enemy hit."
to:
"The explosion deals an additional X% damage for every group member."
(Or something similar, it may still have a distance to the enemy taken into account).

This would result in this set being far less toxic, but still very powerful, as it would still have a burst when you purge, but it would not be an automatic death sentence. Also, the "scale with group size" will mean that Plaguebreak will still be somewhat useful against ball groups, putting pressure on them.

neferpitou73

No not balanced

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

(Voted for sarcasm, obviously)

Anyway, I think the problem with Plaguebreak is that it no longer does what it was supposed to do. It was a very strong counter to ball groups. I have seen it myself (and also some video clips) of ball groups getting destroyed by this set. It was meant to punish spamming purges by a large groups. But nowadays, ball groups have kinda adapted to it - they run less purges but way, way more healing spam.

The problem is that now (like with every thing that was supposed to be a counter for ball groups) it went a compleat 180° and now is basically acts as a better version of vicious death used on solo players / army of randoms / small scale.

The basic problem is that we pretty much have no control over some other player casting purge / negative effect removal on us. We also don't have much control over other player standing within 7 - 8 meters removing negative effect (7 - 8 meters is not stacking btw lol).

So, what ends up happening is that for example, I have a weak DOT on me. No big deal. I use some heal & I don't even notice that DOT. But, sometimes, someone will heal me or remove negative effect from themselves & me and all of the sudden I explode. Quite literally 50K procs (I have like 29K resistant, so it is close to 50% damage reduction) are a norm.

I dont know about you, but every time I see crazy proc like this, it makes me wonder: How much health do I need to survive the proc ? Can I make 50 - 60K health solo build & will I still be able to do something else with it ? Other than stand still like a soft rock that is... ?

I think that what Plaguebreak needs is to have the "additional" damage part changed, so it would scale with the group size.

"The explosion deals an additional 50% damage per enemy hit."
to:
"The explosion deals an additional X% damage for every group member."
(Or something similar, it may still have a distance to the enemy taken into account).

This would result in this set being far less toxic, but still very powerful, as it would still have a burst when you purge, but it would not be an automatic death sentence. Also, the "scale with group size" will mean that Plaguebreak will still be somewhat useful against ball groups, putting pressure on them.

I mean they also explode when they die while the proc is on them. So it's just a way, way more cost effective VD

Tommy_The_Gun

Yes balanced

neferpitou73 wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

(Voted for sarcasm, obviously)

Anyway, I think the problem with Plaguebreak is that it no longer does what it was supposed to do. It was a very strong counter to ball groups. I have seen it myself (and also some video clips) of ball groups getting destroyed by this set. It was meant to punish spamming purges by a large groups. But nowadays, ball groups have kinda adapted to it - they run less purges but way, way more healing spam.

The problem is that now (like with every thing that was supposed to be a counter for ball groups) it went a compleat 180° and now is basically acts as a better version of vicious death used on solo players / army of randoms / small scale.

The basic problem is that we pretty much have no control over some other player casting purge / negative effect removal on us. We also don't have much control over other player standing within 7 - 8 meters removing negative effect (7 - 8 meters is not stacking btw lol).

So, what ends up happening is that for example, I have a weak DOT on me. No big deal. I use some heal & I don't even notice that DOT. But, sometimes, someone will heal me or remove negative effect from themselves & me and all of the sudden I explode. Quite literally 50K procs (I have like 29K resistant, so it is close to 50% damage reduction) are a norm.

I dont know about you, but every time I see crazy proc like this, it makes me wonder: How much health do I need to survive the proc ? Can I make 50 - 60K health solo build & will I still be able to do something else with it ? Other than stand still like a soft rock that is... ?

I think that what Plaguebreak needs is to have the "additional" damage part changed, so it would scale with the group size.

"The explosion deals an additional 50% damage per enemy hit."
to:
"The explosion deals an additional X% damage for every group member."
(Or something similar, it may still have a distance to the enemy taken into account).

This would result in this set being far less toxic, but still very powerful, as it would still have a burst when you purge, but it would not be an automatic death sentence. Also, the "scale with group size" will mean that Plaguebreak will still be somewhat useful against ball groups, putting pressure on them.

I mean they also explode when they die while the proc is on them. So it's just a way, way more cost effective VD

Wait... what ? This set proc is triggered if target who has it dies ? ? ? Is that correct ? I ask, because there is nothing like that mentioned on the tooltip. It should only proc if the "plague" (dot damage) is removed by negative effect removal. If it also procs when target dies, then it is bugged I guess lol.

neferpitou73

No not balanced

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

neferpitou73 wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

(Voted for sarcasm, obviously)

Anyway, I think the problem with Plaguebreak is that it no longer does what it was supposed to do. It was a very strong counter to ball groups. I have seen it myself (and also some video clips) of ball groups getting destroyed by this set. It was meant to punish spamming purges by a large groups. But nowadays, ball groups have kinda adapted to it - they run less purges but way, way more healing spam.

The problem is that now (like with every thing that was supposed to be a counter for ball groups) it went a compleat 180° and now is basically acts as a better version of vicious death used on solo players / army of randoms / small scale.

The basic problem is that we pretty much have no control over some other player casting purge / negative effect removal on us. We also don't have much control over other player standing within 7 - 8 meters removing negative effect (7 - 8 meters is not stacking btw lol).

So, what ends up happening is that for example, I have a weak DOT on me. No big deal. I use some heal & I don't even notice that DOT. But, sometimes, someone will heal me or remove negative effect from themselves & me and all of the sudden I explode. Quite literally 50K procs (I have like 29K resistant, so it is close to 50% damage reduction) are a norm.

I dont know about you, but every time I see crazy proc like this, it makes me wonder: How much health do I need to survive the proc ? Can I make 50 - 60K health solo build & will I still be able to do something else with it ? Other than stand still like a soft rock that is... ?

I think that what Plaguebreak needs is to have the "additional" damage part changed, so it would scale with the group size.

"The explosion deals an additional 50% damage per enemy hit."
to:
"The explosion deals an additional X% damage for every group member."
(Or something similar, it may still have a distance to the enemy taken into account).

This would result in this set being far less toxic, but still very powerful, as it would still have a burst when you purge, but it would not be an automatic death sentence. Also, the "scale with group size" will mean that Plaguebreak will still be somewhat useful against ball groups, putting pressure on them.

I mean they also explode when they die while the proc is on them. So it's just a way, way more cost effective VD

Wait... what ? This set proc is triggered if target who has it dies ? ? ? Is that correct ? I ask, because there is nothing like that mentioned on the tooltip. It should only proc if the "plague" (dot damage) is removed by negative effect removal. If it also procs when target dies, then it is bugged I guess lol.

Yes, because "the effect ends early" if you die : P

I have video of it proccing upon death and we regularly use it in our ball group for that reason.

It's an awful, broken set

Nevidyra

Yes balanced

Want to stop dying to Plaguebreak? Stop stacking ontop of eachother and maybe stop zerging with so many people. That's what the set is intended to do; break up zergs. It's not very good against 2-4 people.

Jackey

No not balanced

It's a meta set that can carry you.
I took a break from the game after the update that introduced these sets and I can't believe we're still here complaining about Plaguebreak and Dark Convergence. I had hoped they would have adjusted or removed the sets by now.

TechMaybeHic

No not balanced

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

neferpitou73 wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

(Voted for sarcasm, obviously)

Anyway, I think the problem with Plaguebreak is that it no longer does what it was supposed to do. It was a very strong counter to ball groups. I have seen it myself (and also some video clips) of ball groups getting destroyed by this set. It was meant to punish spamming purges by a large groups. But nowadays, ball groups have kinda adapted to it - they run less purges but way, way more healing spam.

The problem is that now (like with every thing that was supposed to be a counter for ball groups) it went a compleat 180° and now is basically acts as a better version of vicious death used on solo players / army of randoms / small scale.

The basic problem is that we pretty much have no control over some other player casting purge / negative effect removal on us. We also don't have much control over other player standing within 7 - 8 meters removing negative effect (7 - 8 meters is not stacking btw lol).

So, what ends up happening is that for example, I have a weak DOT on me. No big deal. I use some heal & I don't even notice that DOT. But, sometimes, someone will heal me or remove negative effect from themselves & me and all of the sudden I explode. Quite literally 50K procs (I have like 29K resistant, so it is close to 50% damage reduction) are a norm.

I dont know about you, but every time I see crazy proc like this, it makes me wonder: How much health do I need to survive the proc ? Can I make 50 - 60K health solo build & will I still be able to do something else with it ? Other than stand still like a soft rock that is... ?

I think that what Plaguebreak needs is to have the "additional" damage part changed, so it would scale with the group size.

"The explosion deals an additional 50% damage per enemy hit."
to:
"The explosion deals an additional X% damage for every group member."
(Or something similar, it may still have a distance to the enemy taken into account).

This would result in this set being far less toxic, but still very powerful, as it would still have a burst when you purge, but it would not be an automatic death sentence. Also, the "scale with group size" will mean that Plaguebreak will still be somewhat useful against ball groups, putting pressure on them.

I mean they also explode when they die while the proc is on them. So it's just a way, way more cost effective VD

Wait... what ? This set proc is triggered if target who has it dies ? ? ? Is that correct ? I ask, because there is nothing like that mentioned on the tooltip. It should only proc if the "plague" (dot damage) is removed by negative effect removal. If it also procs when target dies, then it is bugged I guess lol.

You've never seen all guard NPCs on a flag just drop dead? It's because one of them died with PB on them.

I've always said people were too distracted by DC which is all up in your face with the buggy CC breaks and position desync, that they haven't realized how devastating PB is. It's kind of funny as a lot of templars replaced ER with living dark and finally realized how good that is because of it just like ball groups who just opted for stacking more heals. The problem is, you get taken out still by some random purging or dieing. Even NPCs.

Jaimeh

No not balanced

It's so balanced though:

Commandment

So most people hate it because it breaks there strategies... Maybe adapt a new one?