What class is the most common in PvP? [2022 edition]

Seraphayel

Title.

Which is supposedly the top PvP class at the moment or better said, which class do you see in PvP the most?

NoxiousBlight

Dragon Knight

70% DKs, 20% templar, 10% everything else.

Larcomar

Nightblade

As ever I wonder if I'm playing a different game to every else. I'd say nightblades remain the most popular. Sorcs are pretty common too, prob not that far behind. Temps probably third? Dks much more popular now since zos fixed their sustain but not sure where these 70% are. Wardens and necro probably less common. Ie it's changed around a bit but not that much.

edit - Answering "which class do you see in PvP the most?" That's a totally different question from "which is supposedly the top PvP class at the moment." While there are alot of people who will switch classes depending on the latest, my guess is that the majority of players are a mot more casual and play what they like.

If that is the question though, hard to say, haven't seen one of those tier lists recently. From my experience temps seem a bit OP at the moment, but I don't buy the "DK so Op" line. Zos fixed their sustain, not much else. NB's cloak + shade is just a get out of jail free card, my stamcro is as tanky as ever and my best all rounder is still probably my stamden.

FeedbackOnly

Templar

T.T those jabs hurt...more than the vaccine

Valabrog

Dragon Knight

Larcomar wrote: »

As ever I wonder if I'm playing a different game to every else. I'd say nightblades remain the most popular. Sorcs are pretty common too, prob not that far behind. Temps probably third? Dks much more popular now since zos fixed their sustain but not sure where these 70% are. Wardens and necro probably less common. Ie it's changed around a bit but not that much.

edit - Answering "which class do you see in PvP the most?" That's a totally different question from "which is supposedly the top PvP class at the moment." While there are alot of people who will switch classes depending on the latest, my guess is that the majority of players are a mot more casual and play what they like.

If that is the question though, hard to say, haven't seen one of those tier lists recently. From my experience temps seem a bit OP at the moment, but I don't buy the "DK so Op" line. Zos fixed their sustain, not much else. NB's cloak + shade is just a get out of jail free card, my stamcro is as tanky as ever and my best all rounder is still probably my stamden.

In high MMR BG you wount see more than 1-2 nightblades per match, while in lower tier/lowbies there are plenty. Simply they dont bring any utility to the team, be it healing, significant team buff etc. Also they cant survive brawler 4 vs 4 vs 4 for long, so they have to go away in stealh - that means the other 3 players looses 25% of team damage and gets more focused damage from an enemy teams. BG is full of tanky dk and templars, thats not the favorite victim of nbs either.

I no longer consider Cyro a PVP form, its more like a Player VS door VS lag..So it doesnt matter is it nb before your or dk, you cant use any skills anyway.

Larcomar

Nightblade

Valabrog wrote: »

In high MMR BG you wount see more than 1-2 nightblades per match, while in lower tier/lowbies there are plenty. Simply they dont bring any utility to the team, be it healing, significant team buff etc. Also they cant survive brawler 4 vs 4 vs 4 for long, so they have to go away in stealh - that means the other 3 players looses 25% of team damage and gets more focused damage from an enemy teams. BG is full of tanky dk and templars, thats not the favorite victim of nbs either.

I no longer consider Cyro a PVP form, its more like a Player VS door VS lag..So it doesnt matter is it nb before your or dk, you cant use any skills anyway.[/quote]

I'm talking cyro. You still see a ton of Nbs there, although, yeah, they're often quite poorly played. It seems to be the go to class for newer players. Some of whom are still spamming snipe and venomous smite...

As to whether cyro constitutes pvp... Well, it depends when you go. Daytime, PvD. Primetime, PvL. I think there's still a brief window in between where a bit of PvP happens though

I'm wondering if this poll needs to be clarified a bit. Is it the top PvP class at the moment or the class you see in PvP the most? Is it BGs or Cyro. for that matter is it cp or no cp....

Cadbury

Necromancer

I mostly see Stamcros, Magsorc, and Magtemps (In that order)

But since I'm on PC now, that might be different

OBJnoob

Templar

From Xbox no cp cyro I’d say hands down nightblades and templars. And then probably sorcs? Of which I’d only consider the magplar OP. People like nbs cuz they have a get out of jail free card. And I’ll admit I like my stamsorc cuz it’s got a get out of jail free card. The magplar has got a “if you accuse me of a crime I’ll facetank you and then do more damage than you while healing more than you,” card.

In battlegrounds? Trade nightblades for dragon knights and then it’s the same story I think.

Kartalin

Yeah, no proc/no cp is a little more balanced in terms of the number of each class. A lot more sorcs than this poll currently gives credit for to be sure.

xDeusEJRx

Nightblade

It's nightblade for me. I always find myself in situations where 3 NB's gank me from stealth while I'm already fighting like 4+ other people and I need a detect but I can't use that detect because I was using normal pots and I have to bide my time till my detect pops then I can kill those annoyances. That happens in most fights I get in PVP.
I see like 70% nightblade gankers 20% templar and DK and 10% the rest

Solariken

Dragon Knight

I really only play BG these days, but it's not uncommon to have 10 DKs in a match.

Vevvev

Dragon Knight

As someone who exclusively plays DK since December of 2017.... I've noticed there have been a lot more of my kin out there.

Valabrog

Dragon Knight

Solariken wrote: »

I really only play BG these days, but it's not uncommon to have 10 DKs in a match.

Leap (if it works) is the best ability in game imho. Wth so many aoe going on during brawler in mid, 2-3 secs of lost control is enough to die. Lol in lowbies i got Merciless title during my very first match, on my very first leap. Thats just insane. Add to this best magica cc ingame, also add beautiful damage numbers from aoe dots its a golden class to play. With a whip also working as spammable for stamina, dont know what else you can ask for this class - only the bigger skill bars to put all essential abilities 😁

WabanakiWarrior

Dragon Knight

Every patch there are kids that rush to play the the strongest class. And it's usually the same kids each patch. They hump around whichever class and set combos are currently overperforming. Right now, all of those kids in the end game sweaty bg lobbies rolled mag DKs. They spam talons, whip, corrosive armor, rapid regen, a little plaguebreak bc why tf not. A few patches ago it was werewolves, sorcs had their day, but just about all the meta humpers are on DK right now.
Looking forward to a new patch.

Seraphayel

What happens to Stamdens? The last time I’ve played they’ve been everywhere. Same with MagSorc. How became MagDK so strong and popular?

Vevvev

Dragon Knight

Seraphayel wrote: »

What happens to Stamdens? The last time I’ve played they’ve been everywhere. Same with MagSorc. How became MagDK so strong and popular?

They fixed a lot of DK's pain points allowing the class to really shine.
Flame/Poison damage passive now effects everything instead of AoE damage/making poison stuff cost less.
Battle Roar now scales on ultimate consumed over the cost of the ultimate used.
Charged got mega buffed and the DK Combustion passive got reworked as a result.
Molten Whip charges last 10 seconds and the internal cooldown on Power Lash on Flame Lash got removed.

That's what happened.

Larcomar

Nightblade

Seraphayel wrote: »

What happens to Stamdens? The last time I’ve played they’ve been everywhere. Same with MagSorc. How became MagDK so strong and popular?

Honestly, I think alot of this stuff is overblown. Back in u30, wardens got a 20% nerf to artic moving them down a notch, while templars got a load of buffs moving them up a couple of notches.

Then in update 31 they gave templars another big buff (to backlash this time), massively improved nightblades' cloak while introducing a bunch of broken sets, one of which (plaguebreak) blows you up whenever you run netch. So templars moved up another notch, nightblades got a huge buff and wardens suddenly weren't that popular to be around.

Finally in u32 they did a few more NB changes and a big dk pass. Most of which, to be fair, was sorting out their god awful systain - they still have the most expensive abilities in the game - not much else. But Dks finally became viable for openworld and moved a couple of positions up the ladder.

In short, they tried to balance the game so everyone didn't run stam, and in particular, didn't run wardens. Personally, I think they've overbuffed templars a bit, maybe hit wardens a bit too hard, but the game's actually better balanced now than it has been in a long time.

I suspect that the reason you see a lot of dks around is because it's new and shiny and people probably didn't bother taking their dks into cyro that much before. Stamdens really arn't bad though; they've just not as dominant as before. They've still got good mobility, good burst and good healing. If it wasn't for plaguebreak, I think you'd see more of them. At least once the novelty of temps and dks being better wears off.

edit - I forgot you asked about magsorcs. I think they're still pretty common. They ruled in no cp during the tests. It's just that sorcs haven't really seen any changes so a) they probably moved down the ladder a notch or two relative to classes that have, and b) they're missing the shiny new factor. I don't know if zos is planning a sorc pass at some point. I know the stamsorcs are lobbying for one.

katorga

Dragon Knight

Dk is the most common class I see in Cyro. Templars next. Sorcs are always present for Negate in groups.

After that I see smaller numbers of necros, NB, wardens. Mostly healers, but sometimes as less effective versions of DK/Templar running DC, PB and/or VD. They are there, but do not stand out enough to feel like a trend.

I'm sure there is a perfect class/build composition for an optimized ball group, but no clue what that mix is.

malistorr

Templar

in no CP Cyrodiil on Xbox NA there are more and more templars daily and they are so OP that it's ruined playing. It is that bad. DK is next and probably almost as bad and OP. Then if someone is really good comes sorcs (both types). NB is pretty low to the bottom in terms of damage possibly and healing in no CP IMO.

Kory

Dragon Knight

A lot of Dragonknights and Templars. I wonder why

mocap

Dragon Knight

Cyrodiil small scales - mostly DKs
Cyrodiil ball groups - i think they use more NBs
Cyrodiil zegs - unidentified. A little bit of everything?

Rhavein

Dragon Knight

Small Scale PvP: DK
BG: DK
Duel (Alikr): DK
Full Zerg: Well, it does not really matter. But majority of the full zerg cyrodiil are templar, sorc and DK.

Then, templar comes.

PvP_Exploiter

Dragon Knight

Larcomar wrote: »

As ever I wonder if I'm playing a different game to every else. I'd say nightblades remain the most popular. Sorcs are pretty common too, prob not that far behind. Temps probably third? Dks much more popular now since zos fixed their sustain but not sure where these 70% are. Wardens and necro probably less common. Ie it's changed around a bit but not that much.

edit - Answering "which class do you see in PvP the most?" That's a totally different question from "which is supposedly the top PvP class at the moment." While there are alot of people who will switch classes depending on the latest, my guess is that the majority of players are a mot more casual and play what they like.

If that is the question though, hard to say, haven't seen one of those tier lists recently. From my experience temps seem a bit OP at the moment, but I don't buy the "DK so Op" line. Zos fixed their sustain, not much else. NB's cloak + shade is just a get out of jail free card, my stamcro is as tanky as ever and my best all rounder is still probably my stamden.

Low MMR is full of NBs and Sorcs as they're good for killing pugs but rarely hold up against good players or groups.

McTaterskins

Dragon Knight

As of the last couplefew patches:

DK > Templar > Sorc/NB/Necro > Warden.

Just observed frequency/popularity observed by myself and my group I roll with. Not a "which class is better" assessment.

malistorr

Templar

Sounds like most people agree. Templar and DK are becoming more and more common by the day (at least in no CP) because they are so OP and people are tired of not being able to kill any of them so they become them.

Seraphayel

Y'all really think this changed due to which class is super strong and which is not? I mean are players really switching so often and easily?

malistorr

Templar

It's not easy no. It requires people to invest many hours and/or dollars (depending how quickly they want to switch and how much $ they're willing to pay). Many of the most dedicated players who want to be successful (not get killed and kill many others) have already switched. They pay attention to what's coming down the road and even test on PTS if they're PC players and have their toon ready at patch release or shortly after. Many of them I'm sure have a toon of each class if they've been around a while and can switch to the meta pretty easily when needed. I can only speak to my own experience which is on Xbox NA no CP Cyrodiil there are more and more dk and templars all the time and they seem practically impossible to kill 1v1 if you are some other class and don't have them outnumbered by a lot. I'm an average player so maybe if/when I get better I'll be able to kill 1 of them some day 1v1. Unless they are a horrible player with a bad build it's practically impossible now because they are just too tanky and their heals are out of control.

katorga

Dragon Knight

Seraphayel wrote: »

Y'all really think this changed due to which class is super strong and which is not? I mean are players really switching so often and easily?

It seems like most long-term pvp players have one of each, and can swap to fotm as needed. It really is the only way to insulate yourself from ZOS's wild meta swings.

For new players, wild meta swings is a way to incentivize them to create alts, and potentially spend $$$ on skill lines, shyshards, etc.

malistorr

Templar

Agreed 100%. They know how to get your $. $ is why ES6 isn't out yet also. They don't want to pull players from their cash cow.

McTaterskins

Dragon Knight

katorga wrote: »

It seems like most long-term pvp players have one of each, and can swap to fotm as needed. It really is the only way to insulate yourself from ZOS's wild meta swings.

I have 2 of each.

After the upcoming changes, post armory addition? Will only need 1 of each.

Adernath

Dragon Knight

Awesome thread. Confirms my experience since months and the tower tank meta.