Does Mirri ever talk about Almalexia?

moleculardrugs

“Seht likes a quick study.”
“A little present from Vivec, eh?”
“You’re a legend of Vivec!”
“I wonder how the tribunal feel about the apostles here in Clockwork City? I wonder if they even know they exist at all!”

But Almalexia? Never. I want to know why. I mean, I know why but Mirri hasn’t experienced TES3 yet so she can’t possibly know why yet.

Even when I walk into the Tribunal Temple with Mirri, NOTHING!!! I’m so curious as to why she acts like Almalexia doesn’t exist 😅

RaddlemanNumber7

IIRC she says, "Mother Morrowind is watching you."

VaranisArano

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Mirri_Elendis

As mentioned, "Mother Morrowind has her eye on you", is one option for her level up/CP gain dialogue.

During her first quest:
"I don't know! He's my little brother, I have to try! If—if it comes to it … end the ritual prematurely. I'd rather send Liam into the arms of Mother Morrowind than let Oblivion have him."

So no, not a lot of dialogue about Almalexia.

Truth be told, after ZOS pretty much left her out of the Tribunal event last year, she's been getting the short end of the stick. I dunno if that's because ZOS is insecure over base game zone graphics vs DLC, wants to advertise the DLC, or what.

Vindold

VaranisArano wrote: »

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Mirri_Elendis
Truth be told, after ZOS pretty much left her out of the Tribunal event last year, she's been getting the short end of the stick. I dunno if that's because ZOS is insecure over base game zone graphics vs DLC, wants to advertise the DLC, or what.

And that's really sad...even her model is still outdated. I hope that next year we will get new chapter based on Morrowind zones which is still locked(around Vvardenfell), like Necrom and Blacklight, maybe then Alma will get some love.

tomofhyrule

VaranisArano wrote: »

Truth be told, after ZOS pretty much left her out of the Tribunal event last year, she's been getting the short end of the stick. I dunno if that's because ZOS is insecure over base game zone graphics vs DLC, wants to advertise the DLC, or what.

I think that was just because it was an event for Vvardenfell and the Clockwork City and they needed a name for it more interesting than "Vvardenfell and Clockwork City Celebration." Almalexia didn't get a DLC zone; her main zone is Deshaan, a basegame zone. We've never had an event focusing on basegame PvE zones, likely since they don't have dailies outside of the random FG/MG/Undaunted ones and they didn't see the need to generate a bunch of dailies for one of their 15 basegame alliance zones for the purpose of a single event. Frankly before all the DLC, she was the only one of the Tribunal who got any attention whatsoever.

We're also not likely to ever see that "Tribunal" (MW/CWC) event again if they're now going to start combining Summerset in there and calling it a 'Daedric War' event, which makes a bit more sense. Someone being nitpicky could also complain that Auridon hasn't been included in any Summerset event since it's ostensibly one of the Summerset isles, but again that's for the same reason.

Call_of_Red_Mountain

No, thank you. Alma one of the most hated characters in TES lore. If you played TES3 you know why.

Btw I can't use Mirri because she's false gods worshiper. "Vivec here", "Vivec there". I just can't...

starlizard70ub17_ESO

As long as traveling with Mirri remains profitable, this one doesn't care what she worships.

VaranisArano

Call_of_Red_Mountain wrote: »

No, thank you. Alma one of the most hated characters in TES lore. If you played TES3 you know why.

Btw I can't use Mirri because she's false gods worshiper. "Vivec here", "Vivec there". I just can't...

I've played TES III Tribunal, and I think it's pretty interesting to see Almalexia here when she's at the height of her power in full vengeful, protective Mother Morrowind mode, prior to the loss of the Heart.

I think it's a shame that because she's in the base game before the lore team really hit their stride, she didn't benefit from the same deep dives into the lore than Sotha Sil got. Vivec, of course, pulls focus in anything he's involved in. Compared to the other two, she feels underdone, like most of the base game lore compared to the DLC.


To tell the truth, I couldn't really hate her in Tribunal either. I mean, I never really expected my female Dunmer nerevarine arriving in Mournhold like, "Hello, it is I, the reincarnated hero form of your dead husband and destroyer of your divine artifactical powers!" to go over well...

SammyKhajit

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

As long as traveling with Mirri remains profitable, this one doesn't care what she worships.

Exactly this.

Although new content re Almalexia is always welcomed. ZOS will earn 💰💰💰 if they update and sell her costume to the skimpy costume hungry crowd.

Call_of_Red_Mountain

VaranisArano wrote: »

Call_of_Red_Mountain wrote: »

No, thank you. Alma one of the most hated characters in TES lore. If you played TES3 you know why.

Btw I can't use Mirri because she's false gods worshiper. "Vivec here", "Vivec there". I just can't...

I've played TES III Tribunal, and I think it's pretty interesting to see Almalexia here when she's at the height of her power in full vengeful, protective Mother Morrowind mode, prior to the loss of the Heart.

I think it's a shame that because she's in the base game before the lore team really hit their stride, she didn't benefit from the same deep dives into the lore than Sotha Sil got. Vivec, of course, pulls focus in anything he's involved in. Compared to the other two, she feels underdone, like most of the base game lore compared to the DLC.


To tell the truth, I couldn't really hate her in Tribunal either. I mean, I never really expected my female Dunmer nerevarine arriving in Mournhold like, "Hello, it is I, the reincarnated hero form of your dead husband and destroyer of your divine artifactical powers!" to go over well...

She killed her husband and Chimer leader with Vivec and Sotha (only Sotha regrets), proclaimed her Living God and tried kill her husband again later (as his reincarnation) with weapon that was their wedding gift from dwemers.
Just Google "Foul murder TES". Azura cursed all chimers after that. Also Alma killed Sotha. Sorry if I can't feel empathy to this... you know who.

moleculardrugs

RaddlemanNumber7 wrote: »

IIRC she says, "Mother Morrowind is watching you."

Okay, I heard this before but I never thought twice about it because I thought Mother Morrowind meant all the Dark Elf women and their Dumner roles in Dark Elf society (like a symbolic saying, like saying Uncle Sam could mean the US government or everyone in the military). Like how in Martyr’s Folly (SPOILERS*********)

You have to help that Dark Elf save his grandmother’s soul and the warrior’s soul too! I thought they encompassed “Mother Morrowind” for their sacrifice to maintain the Dunmer way of life and what the Dunmer stand for.

But I was wrong completely wrong! This just shows how strong confirmation biases can be!! I’m glad you pointed this out and I learned something new today 😅

Thank you!

I have to agree with the other comments, Almalexia, although crazy and twisted and soon to be corruptible as she is, she is still part of the living Tribunal in ESO, she should be included in more events and conversations. Instead, it feels like her followers are a religious sect within the Tribunal itself, like the Hands of Almalexia or the Ordinators, or even the Maidens/Priestesses of Almalexia, they feel like a cult within the Tribunal 😬

moleculardrugs

VaranisArano wrote: »

Call_of_Red_Mountain wrote: »

No, thank you. Alma one of the most hated characters in TES lore. If you played TES3 you know why.

Btw I can't use Mirri because she's false gods worshiper. "Vivec here", "Vivec there". I just can't...

I've played TES III Tribunal, and I think it's pretty interesting to see Almalexia here when she's at the height of her power in full vengeful, protective Mother Morrowind mode, prior to the loss of the Heart.

I think it's a shame that because she's in the base game before the lore team really hit their stride, she didn't benefit from the same deep dives into the lore than Sotha Sil got. Vivec, of course, pulls focus in anything he's involved in. Compared to the other two, she feels underdone, like most of the base game lore compared to the DLC.


To tell the truth, I couldn't really hate her in Tribunal either. I mean, I never really expected my female Dunmer nerevarine arriving in Mournhold like, "Hello, it is I, the reincarnated hero form of your dead husband and destroyer of your divine artifactical powers!" to go over well...

I too feel like Mother Morrowind’s story and deeds are lacking. I just dislike her for what I know she does in TES 3, and also how she killed

(SPOILER*****)

Vox’s son, instead of granting him mercy. She was more concerned with keeping power and silencing the outspoken versus actually being the mother of mercy.

She must have done something that would make her a hero? Or did Bethesda just want to make her into a complete villain? What does Bastian always say?

“Behind every Villain tale they’re a hero to their own story, funny that.” Paraphrasing here 😅

moleculardrugs

SammyKhajit wrote: »

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

As long as traveling with Mirri remains profitable, this one doesn't care what she worships.

Exactly this.

Although new content re Almalexia is always welcomed. ZOS will earn 💰💰💰 if they update and sell her costume to the skimpy costume hungry crowd.

The only people who can pull off that outfit is Almalexia… and Mirri 😂

moleculardrugs

Call_of_Red_Mountain wrote: »

No, thank you. Alma one of the most hated characters in TES lore. If you played TES3 you know why.

Btw I can't use Mirri because she's false gods worshiper. "Vivec here", "Vivec there". I just can't...

It’s more of a tragic story if we knew the heroic things Almalexia did versus just her evil actions. I agree, she’s evil AF, but I think the idea of the fallen hero would benefit ZOS’s and Bethesda’s wallets more. Plus, it’s actually more realistic if you have a fallen hero versus a purely evil villain

moleculardrugs

tomofhyrule wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Truth be told, after ZOS pretty much left her out of the Tribunal event last year, she's been getting the short end of the stick. I dunno if that's because ZOS is insecure over base game zone graphics vs DLC, wants to advertise the DLC, or what.

I think that was just because it was an event for Vvardenfell and the Clockwork City and they needed a name for it more interesting than "Vvardenfell and Clockwork City Celebration." Almalexia didn't get a DLC zone; her main zone is Deshaan, a basegame zone. We've never had an event focusing on basegame PvE zones, likely since they don't have dailies outside of the random FG/MG/Undaunted ones and they didn't see the need to generate a bunch of dailies for one of their 15 basegame alliance zones for the purpose of a single event. Frankly before all the DLC, she was the only one of the Tribunal who got any attention whatsoever.

We're also not likely to ever see that "Tribunal" (MW/CWC) event again if they're now going to start combining Summerset in there and calling it a 'Daedric War' event, which makes a bit more sense. Someone being nitpicky could also complain that Auridon hasn't been included in any Summerset event since it's ostensibly one of the Summerset isles, but again that's for the same reason.

If they did make dailies for the base zone, it would interest a lot of players and would be a good way to get them to start doing dailies. They’re more likely to get DLCs and do those dailies too. Hook them with the first free dose is what I am trying to say 😅

Plus, I feel like a lot of the delves for those zones aren’t as populated as they should be…

SammyKhajit

moleculardrugs wrote: »

SammyKhajit wrote: »

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

As long as traveling with Mirri remains profitable, this one doesn't care what she worships.

Exactly this.

Although new content re Almalexia is always welcomed. ZOS will earn 💰💰💰 if they update and sell her costume to the skimpy costume hungry crowd.

The only people who can pull off that outfit is Almalexia… and Mirri 😂

Nah. Any man and mer with the coin and inclination will do this one eagerly anticipates corpulent orcs and khajits to totally own the costume 🥳

Jaimeh

Call_of_Red_Mountain wrote: »

No, thank you. Alma one of the most hated characters in TES lore. If you played TES3 you know why.

Btw I can't use Mirri because she's false gods worshiper. "Vivec here", "Vivec there". I just can't...

There are hateful characters in ESO (like Mannimarco, for eg.) enjoying their time in the spotlight and making for interesting stories. Besides, Almalexia in this timeline is much more likable than the other two (what with Vivec's meteor threatening to fall on the city in the Morrowind chapter, and Sotha Sil having people living in wretched conditions in CWC in the DLC), and regardless, it would be interesting to have Alma-focused story, and her featuring in events.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Call_of_Red_Mountain wrote: »

No, thank you. Alma one of the most hated characters in TES lore. If you played TES3 you know why.

Btw I can't use Mirri because she's false gods worshiper. "Vivec here", "Vivec there". I just can't...

I dislike Vivec more, which is one reason I can't stand Mirri any more. Was fine at first but her Vivec this, Vehk I hope you're watching that, snippy rude attitude, and casual racism has become a no for me. Yes, I know she's a dunmer, racism isn't weird. But I get the feeling she's supposed to be all progressive with her dislike for slavery etc, so it fails.

atherusmora

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Call_of_Red_Mountain wrote: »

No, thank you. Alma one of the most hated characters in TES lore. If you played TES3 you know why.

Btw I can't use Mirri because she's false gods worshiper. "Vivec here", "Vivec there". I just can't...

I dislike Vivec more, which is one reason I can't stand Mirri any more. Was fine at first but her Vivec this, Vehk I hope you're watching that, snippy rude attitude, and casual racism has become a no for me. Yes, I know she's a dunmer, racism isn't weird. But I get the feeling she's supposed to be all progressive with her dislike for slavery etc, so it fails.

I love and hate Vivec. I prefer his Anticipation Mephala. Ironically, I find Mephala to be more honest. That said, I can’t stand Mirri’s constant venerations of the Three, particular Vehk. Vehk had nothing to do with me melting those mobs or picking those locks. Please ZOS give me a vamp companion or someone that knows who they are. A thieving assassin that is touchy about my alchemical practices and love for the Dread Father makes me want to cry. I’ve tried to kill Mirri mulitiple times via fall damage. Somehow she always survives, and I die.

LalMirchi

Sorry to say but I've dumped Mirri in favour of Bastian I really like my https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Torchbug_Thorax and my https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Butterfly_Wing while wandering in the wild wide countryside

That she is also a follower of Vivec with his vast aåpendage hovering over the city is a great minus

francesinhalover

VaranisArano wrote: »

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Mirri_Elendis

Truth be told, after ZOS pretty much left her out of the Tribunal event last year, she's been getting the short end of the stick. I dunno if that's because ZOS is insecure over base game zone graphics vs DLC, wants to advertise the DLC, or what.

Base game zones look fine. Sorcerer conjurer pet like clanfear graphics on the other hand

fizl101

francesinhalover wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Mirri_Elendis

Truth be told, after ZOS pretty much left her out of the Tribunal event last year, she's been getting the short end of the stick. I dunno if that's because ZOS is insecure over base game zone graphics vs DLC, wants to advertise the DLC, or what.

Base game zones look fine. Sorcerer conjurer pet like clanfear graphics on the other hand

BOOP!

NotaDaedraWorshipper

atherusmora wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Call_of_Red_Mountain wrote: »

No, thank you. Alma one of the most hated characters in TES lore. If you played TES3 you know why.

Btw I can't use Mirri because she's false gods worshiper. "Vivec here", "Vivec there". I just can't...

I dislike Vivec more, which is one reason I can't stand Mirri any more. Was fine at first but her Vivec this, Vehk I hope you're watching that, snippy rude attitude, and casual racism has become a no for me. Yes, I know she's a dunmer, racism isn't weird. But I get the feeling she's supposed to be all progressive with her dislike for slavery etc, so it fails.

I love and hate Vivec. I prefer his Anticipation Mephala. Ironically, I find Mephala to be more honest. That said, I can’t stand Mirri’s constant venerations of the Three, particular Vehk. Vehk had nothing to do with me melting those mobs or picking those locks. Please ZOS give me a vamp companion or someone that knows who they are. A thieving assassin that is touchy about my alchemical practices and love for the Dread Father makes me want to cry. I’ve tried to kill Mirri mulitiple times via fall damage. Somehow she always survives, and I die.

As a character I like him. He's very unique and interesting. But as a person I loathe him. He's an awful person. And yes, Mirri praising the Three for things we do is annoying.

spartaxoxo

I think Vivec in this timeline is more sympathetic and the meteor aside, the Dunmer people are living a pretty good life for Tamriel citizens. It puts the Three in a more nuanced perspective to see the good things they have accomplished in this era, to better understand the Three and why they were worshipped and not just feared. Mirri has no way of knowing of future events, so it makes sense that she has a different view of them. I too would like her to have more lines about Alma and to see more content for Almalexia.

SammyKhajit

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I think Vivec in this timeline is more sympathetic and the meteor aside, the Dunmer people are living a pretty good life for Tamriel citizens. It puts the Three in a more nuanced perspective to see the good things they have accomplished in this era, to better understand the Three and why they were worshipped and not just feared. Mirri has no way of knowing of future events, so it makes sense that she has a different view of them. I too would like her to have more lines about Alma and to see more content for Almalexia.

This is a very good observation - Mirri and other Dunmer (that is, apart from the Ashlanders) only knew a fairly stable and prosperous life under the Three.

This one recalls in an early interview with the lore master that he’d like to explore more stories that feature Almalexia. Don’t know what happened to that.

Call_of_Red_Mountain

Jaimeh wrote: »

Call_of_Red_Mountain wrote: »

No, thank you. Alma one of the most hated characters in TES lore. If you played TES3 you know why.

Btw I can't use Mirri because she's false gods worshiper. "Vivec here", "Vivec there". I just can't...

There are hateful characters in ESO (like Mannimarco, for eg.) enjoying their time in the spotlight and making for interesting stories. Besides, Almalexia in this timeline is much more likable than the other two (what with Vivec's meteor threatening to fall on the city in the Morrowind chapter, and Sotha Sil having people living in wretched conditions in CWC in the DLC), and regardless, it would be interesting to have Alma-focused story, and her featuring in events.

Not for me. I can't ignore my knowledge from TES3 even if ESO in second era. But as Sotha said they both (Alma and Vivec) can't be someone else. It is what it is. This is their nature.
And they'll get what they deserve in the end anyway. Dramatic story.