Current tier list?

Larcomar

Haven't seen one recently, though to be fair I decided to take a break from pvping a couple of months back. Googled it last night and only list I came up with was deltia (I thought he'd quit?). Which had warden and necro (stam as far as I could tell) bottom and templars top?! NBs, sorcs and dks in the middle. Did things get changed around that much last patch? I know temps got a bit of a boost to blinding light a while back and zos finally fixed dk sustain, but I was a bit surprised peopel were listing temps as topttier and stamdens as c tier.... There used to be a handy chart someone called bhont2 produced each patch but it looks like he got banned. What are people thinking now?

divnyi

It's fairly balanced now. If you want tier list, you should specify for which sort of PvP. Duel, BGs, Cyro noCP, Cyro CP, IC noCP, IC CP metas are all different.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

S+++++++++++++ Dk and templar
A necro and warden
C sorc and nb

This the the real, ultimate, legit, tiers for pvp. Anyone who disagrees is literally just wrong and they can be ignored/blocked.

Larcomar

divnyi wrote: »

It's fairly balanced now. If you want tier list, you should specify for which sort of PvP. Duel, BGs, Cyro noCP, Cyro CP, IC noCP, IC CP metas are all different.

Good pt, sorry - CP Cyro.

divnyi

Larcomar wrote: »

divnyi wrote: »

It's fairly balanced now. If you want tier list, you should specify for which sort of PvP. Duel, BGs, Cyro noCP, Cyro CP, IC noCP, IC CP metas are all different.

Good pt, sorry - CP Cyro.

Anything that is lag-resistant lol. I seriously recommend bruisers, because playing everything else in lags is pain.

That would be magdk, magcro, bashcro, probably heavy armor magplar too. Heavy attack DK is still a thing.

Larcomar

I was thinking ahead for mym. Think it's due soon. And hoping they'll remember to feed the hamster right before it.

Kind of amazed stamden and stamcro are now c tier and mag classes are now on top. How stuff changes! Might go in just to see whats what.

cheers

Larc

Dorkener

Degenerate 4v1-ing while balled up is S tier. Everything else is bad.

katorga

divnyi wrote: »

Larcomar wrote: »

divnyi wrote: »

It's fairly balanced now. If you want tier list, you should specify for which sort of PvP. Duel, BGs, Cyro noCP, Cyro CP, IC noCP, IC CP metas are all different.

Good pt, sorry - CP Cyro.

Anything that is lag-resistant lol. I seriously recommend bruisers, because playing everything else in lags is pain.

That would be magdk, magcro, bashcro, probably heavy armor magplar too. Heavy attack DK is still a thing.

Necro seems very lag sensitive to me. BB seems hit or miss in Grey Host. No issues at all for me in Blackreach.

My opinion:

S - MagDK

Nothing else comes close, except for some specialized niche builds like bombers. MagDK seems to be the class than I have ended up adjusting my build to counter (not successfully so far).

Plus everyone seems to be playing one these days.

Tommy_The_Gun

If any one would make a tier list & saw that post - it would be awesome to add WW & Vamp there. I know those are not a "real" stand alone classes, but it is kinda like a "mini" class skill line that every class can use. WW especially, but Vamp too some degree too.

MEBengalsFan2001

Larcomar wrote: »

Haven't seen one recently, though to be fair I decided to take a break from pvping a couple of months back. Googled it last night and only list I came up with was deltia (I thought he'd quit?). Which had warden and necro (stam as far as I could tell) bottom and templars top?! NBs, sorcs and dks in the middle. Did things get changed around that much last patch? I know temps got a bit of a boost to blinding light a while back and zos finally fixed dk sustain, but I was a bit surprised peopel were listing temps as topttier and stamdens as c tier.... There used to be a handy chart someone called bhont2 produced each patch but it looks like he got banned. What are people thinking now?

I laugh at all of these list where one class or another is put on the bottom by player. Either because they don't like the class, don't play it often enough to know how to build it up or simply go by what other state.

Find a class and pick a resource pool that fits your play style and that class will be top tier.

the1andonlyskwex

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

Larcomar wrote: »

Haven't seen one recently, though to be fair I decided to take a break from pvping a couple of months back. Googled it last night and only list I came up with was deltia (I thought he'd quit?). Which had warden and necro (stam as far as I could tell) bottom and templars top?! NBs, sorcs and dks in the middle. Did things get changed around that much last patch? I know temps got a bit of a boost to blinding light a while back and zos finally fixed dk sustain, but I was a bit surprised peopel were listing temps as topttier and stamdens as c tier.... There used to be a handy chart someone called bhont2 produced each patch but it looks like he got banned. What are people thinking now?

I laugh at all of these list where one class or another is put on the bottom by player. Either because they don't like the class, don't play it often enough to know how to build it up or simply go by what other state.

Find a class and pick a resource pool that fits your play style and that class will be top tier.

I think a lot of "content creators" also put their own main/preferred class at or near the bottom in hopes that ZOS will respond with (undeserved) buffs.

divnyi

Larcomar wrote: »

Kind of amazed stamden and stamcro are now c tier and mag classes are now on top. How stuff changes!

They are still very decent. I've made myself stamden as a last char I've experimented with, and look, it is still as bursty in AoE.

Tierlists probably account for duel capabilities more than anything else, and in duels mag classes now come out as winners due to stronger heals - almost all classes (but magden) have burst heal in class + HoTs in resto. And same setup creates cross-healing environment in group, so it's not that bad.

I play BGs mostly, where you have many teamfights, and stamden feels good. You don't cross-heal much (I use stamshrooms to boost self-heals and help allies tho), but your damage is considerably stronger than what mag chars can pull. I believe in CP it's gonna be bit weaker because CP is tankier overall.

Urzigurumash

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

S+++++++++++++ Dk and templar
A necro and warden
C sorc and nb

This the the real, ultimate, legit, tiers for pvp. Anyone who disagrees is literally just wrong and they can be ignored/blocked.

good, bout time

PvP_Exploiter

As a generic all-scenario use I would go with one of
MagDK, MagPlar, MagCro, StamSorc
Imo in that order

Larcomar

Took my dk and a few of others in for a bit this afternoon. DK, definitely better on the sustain side, but not seeing the "OMG so OP" bit. At least in cyro. Wd prob still rate stamden over him tbh. Better survivability for sure and burst still feels good. Stamblade was doing pretty good too. I mean, cloak + shade, it's just a get out of jail free card; didn't die once. Stamsorc, kind of a mixed bag; super speedy, hard to kill... until he wasn't. Turns out that if streaks on your other bar and you cant bar swap well, you gonna die But the stam cro? Unkillable lol. Will dig temp out tomorrow maybe and have a go - she's vblue though so no cp unfortunately - but I think people are either getting a bit carried away of the back of a couple of fairly minor buffs, or they're - like someone else said - pushing an agenda.

Metemsycosis

PvP_Exploiter wrote: »

As a generic all-scenario use I would go with one of
MagDK, MagPlar, MagCro, StamSorc
Imo in that order

very close to my observation as well, but for solo open world i still think mag sorc is well up there

EmperorIl

MagDK/Magplar S tier, everything else false under that and open to debate. No one can debate these two though lol. Both are ridiculous this patch. Necro is a one trick pony with the cheezy ezmode dark convegence/tombstone/harmony/ult build and you can see it coming a mile away. Only viable in lag or if you get caught low on stam imo.

ESO_Nightingale

Magden is easily the worst atm. Playrates have dropped significantly, self healing and survival is abysmal and sustain is awful. They're often free kills unless being healed by other players.

divnyi

Yeah, they need to buff self-heal on magden. Stamshroom is good as far as I'm concerned, just because it's stam skill and you put it ontop of Vigor. Magshroom tho is just inefficient as healing method compared to any mag healing now - especially that NB also got selfheal.

Einstein_

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

S+++++++++++++ Dk and templar
A necro and warden
C sorc and nb

This the the real, ultimate, legit, tiers for pvp. Anyone who disagrees is literally just wrong and they can be ignored/blocked.

yes especially for more Open world PvP.

for duells its more like:

magDK - magplar - magCro .........then the rest.......at the end its magblade/magWarden

ESO_Nightingale

divnyi wrote: »

Yeah, they need to buff self-heal on magden. Stamshroom is good as far as I'm concerned, just because it's stam skill and you put it ontop of Vigor. Magshroom tho is just inefficient as healing method compared to any mag healing now - especially that NB also got selfheal.

Magden has a lot of burst healing options. But they're all awful for healing self which is really silly at this point.

divnyi

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

divnyi wrote: »

Yeah, they need to buff self-heal on magden. Stamshroom is good as far as I'm concerned, just because it's stam skill and you put it ontop of Vigor. Magshroom tho is just inefficient as healing method compared to any mag healing now - especially that NB also got selfheal.

Magden has a lot of burst healing options. But they're all awful for healing self which is really silly at this point.

What's a lot? Shrooms, Polar Wind and healing staff skills? Well polar wind upfront heal got nerfed hard in the past, to the point where meta magden healers immediately ceased to exist.

ESO_Nightingale

divnyi wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

divnyi wrote: »

Yeah, they need to buff self-heal on magden. Stamshroom is good as far as I'm concerned, just because it's stam skill and you put it ontop of Vigor. Magshroom tho is just inefficient as healing method compared to any mag healing now - especially that NB also got selfheal.

Magden has a lot of burst healing options. But they're all awful for healing self which is really silly at this point.

What's a lot? Shrooms, Polar Wind and healing staff skills? Well polar wind upfront heal got nerfed hard in the past, to the point where meta magden healers immediately ceased to exist.

Shrooms, trellis, budding seeds, arctic blast, blessing of restoration

All have been tried and suck for healing self.

divnyi

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

divnyi wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

divnyi wrote: »

Yeah, they need to buff self-heal on magden. Stamshroom is good as far as I'm concerned, just because it's stam skill and you put it ontop of Vigor. Magshroom tho is just inefficient as healing method compared to any mag healing now - especially that NB also got selfheal.

Magden has a lot of burst healing options. But they're all awful for healing self which is really silly at this point.

What's a lot? Shrooms, Polar Wind and healing staff skills? Well polar wind upfront heal got nerfed hard in the past, to the point where meta magden healers immediately ceased to exist.

Shrooms, trellis, budding seeds, arctic blast, blessing of restoration

All have been tried and suck for healing self.

Budding seeds and trellis aren't burst heals. Big heal at the end of HoT doesn't make it burst heal. Burst heal needs to heal in the first frame to be counted as one.

ESO_Nightingale

divnyi wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

divnyi wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

divnyi wrote: »

Yeah, they need to buff self-heal on magden. Stamshroom is good as far as I'm concerned, just because it's stam skill and you put it ontop of Vigor. Magshroom tho is just inefficient as healing method compared to any mag healing now - especially that NB also got selfheal.

Magden has a lot of burst healing options. But they're all awful for healing self which is really silly at this point.

What's a lot? Shrooms, Polar Wind and healing staff skills? Well polar wind upfront heal got nerfed hard in the past, to the point where meta magden healers immediately ceased to exist.

Shrooms, trellis, budding seeds, arctic blast, blessing of restoration

All have been tried and suck for healing self.

Budding seeds and trellis aren't burst heals. Big heal at the end of HoT doesn't make it burst heal. Burst heal needs to heal in the first frame to be counted as one.

Well i don't know what to say to that other than that is incorrect and an irrelevant argument. Just because a burst of healing happens later in a skill doesn't mean that it isn't burst heal? Trellis can be recast when it's already on you to burst heal and for 10 seconds after, casting trellis at any point will burst heal you which will reset those 10 seconds effectively making it the same thing as one.

Alchimiste1

I don't know about no cp or bgs but for Solo cp I would rank them something like this

S - magplar ,stamblade
A - magdk, magcro , magsorc
B - stamcro, stamsorc , magblade
C - stamplar, stamdk , stamwarden
Useless - magden

I understand this looks like a big departure from previous lists but let me explain a bit. Traditionally stam has tended to rank better than mag for solo. This is because mobility , stam sustain for movement, and the best sets are crucial for solo play. The new changes gave mag access to all that. As it is right now rapid regen is a better heal than vigor.

Some explanations for classes

I think most of us can agree that magplar is just very strong rn, it has great damage and healing hence its S tier. Stamblade is S tier because for solo 1vx burst style gameplay works very well, and cloak got a nice buff. Magdk has perhaps the most damage of any class rn with still decent heals and yes incredible sustain, it just falls slightly short of S tier for me. I've gone back to magblade recently and feel the new heal is quite nice I think its a solid B tier, still a difficult class to play solo though.

Let talk about warden.
Stamden cannot heal solo. Offensively it is good but its healing is lacking compared to other classes. Magden needs some real help but they have been overlooked for as long as I can remember.

Urzigurumash

Alchimiste1 wrote: »

I don't know about no cp or bgs but for Solo cp I would rank them something like this

S - magplar ,stamblade
A - magdk, magcro , magsorc
B - stamcro, stamsorc , magblade
C - stamplar, stamdk , stamwarden
Useless - magden

I was under the impression from this forum not long ago that Dizzy Swing was OP. Now we see the 4 Dizzy Swing classes in the B and C tiers.

What happened?

Araneae6537

I had no idea magplar was doing so well now… I mean, I hadn’t thought they weren’t strong, but this is the first that I’ve heard them being even better than stamden and stamcro. I have been doing more PVE than PVP of late but am in guilds with many PVPers. I hadn’t thought magcro or magblade were doing that well in PVP but no doubt it depends on format.

I used to play magsorc and magden in PVP a lot but the latter was nerfed to about useless some time ago but I still try to find ways to make a cryomancer… I think all frost skills (both for destro staff and warden’s skill line) should have both dps and tank/support morphs. As others have pointed out in other threads, Arctic Blast tries to do too many things and so does them all poorly.

Araneae6537

And, silly question probably, but why is there an S tier? Rather than just ABC? What does the S stand for? 🤔

Sachsen71

Any thoughts on bg’s tierlist? Is there one?

divnyi

Araneae6537 wrote: »

And, silly question probably, but why is there an S tier?

When something is so meta it's broken. No, not the case here.

Urzigurumash wrote: »

Alchimiste1 wrote: »

I don't know about no cp or bgs but for Solo cp I would rank them something like this

S - magplar ,stamblade
A - magdk, magcro , magsorc
B - stamcro, stamsorc , magblade
C - stamplar, stamdk , stamwarden
Useless - magden

I was under the impression from this forum not long ago that Dizzy Swing was OP. Now we see the 4 Dizzy Swing classes in the B and C tiers.

What happened?

Defenses got buffed, and suddenly it's no longer burst meta, where stamina excel (stam generally have better burst). It's pressure meta. You need armor, sustain and healing. Armor is heavy armor, and stam in heavy armor lacks sustain and healing.

DK got buffed, from the bottom of the tierlist to the top, and now it's not only plar as pressure class - and pressure classes generally play well together.