Fang Lair HM and Scammers

Theros

Hi,
I'm looking for Worm Wizard for some time now and i can't find no one to complete it. The best i did, was left boss with 5% in second phase. all of them are CP800 +/-
This lasttime, i run into my friends list. Try to get some help... and i pm one "friend":

(me)- Hey Wanna come with me vFG try HM? Its only what i need now, and i can«t find no one to complete it.
(him)- We sell that run
(me)- WTF! Why do i have "scammers in my friends list"!? I ask him that. Why are you in my friends list!? And how the [snip] you sell runs. And how the [snip] you promise me players dont die in "no dead".
(him)- You share acc
(me)- no [snip] way! This have to end. They scam gold and they even ask to login in acc!? And some players allow this!? Why?

So today i find this. There's two ways for then selling runs with 100% sure you get achivments:

Players share acc or
They ask group, players acept, they kill you then they go to dungeon with your char dead (BUG ABUSE) Can any GM\Developer fix this.

And no one will stop this?!
Guild members dont make it for free, they go if we pay. And we can«t complete this one alone or with +/- good players.

How sad can this be?
You have to pay, use bug or let others enter in your acc to get one achivment.... it's just sad!

[Edited for Censor Bypass]

AlnilamE

I hope you reported them and sent screenshots.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

People have been selling achievements for a while, ZOS doesnt really seem to care for the most part. That said, I do know of people that have been banned for taking over someone else's account. So there is a line that ZOS doesn't want you to cross (ie someone else taking controls).

The reality is that any no death type achievement is going to likely cross some sort of line. You arent telling anyone anything that is not known with this post. Maybe scream into a pillow if that would help.

The good news: You can always form a group and get it on your own.

Theros

ofc i did!

AlnilamE wrote: »

I hope you reported them and sent screenshots.

ofc i did.

Theros

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

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The good news: You can always form a group and get it on your own.

No you can't. Im looking for this one since i start play again. For HM, you will not find anyone unless you pay! Simple as that. No one will do it. You pay, you let others go into you acc, or you will not get it! Because players with nice EXP but not PRO players can't complete HM.

kringled_1

The classic, TOS compliant way to get a no death carry (non HM) would be to have the carry build a bit tanky and as long as they can follow the basic mechanics (stay behind npc at ghost wall, pick up golden circle), ND should be pretty doable.

Nord_Raseri

As Oreyn said, ZOS does allow paid carries. ZOS does not allow exploits or sharing accounts. As for being able to find people, got to be patient. We completed HM with a cp 260 tank(Had to port in, couldn't queue as he was under required level) and a dps who couldn't fight a wet paper bag. Me on dps and another friend on healer. With directions from healer we were able to complete(After a few tries )so it is doable.

colossalvoids

Theros wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

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The good news: You can always form a group and get it on your own.

No you can't. Im looking for this one since i start play again. For HM, you will not find anyone unless you pay! Simple as that. No one will do it. You pay, you let others go into you acc, or you will not get it! Because players with nice EXP but not PRO players can't complete HM.

Even pugs are generally are capable enough for that, not sure if it's just trollposting at that point.

Theros

colossalvoids wrote: »

Even pugs are generally are capable enough for that, not sure if it's just trollposting at that point.

No its not trolling post and no need offtopic.. unless....

aaisoaho

Yes, Fang Lair HM is one of the harder HMs. I have done it a couple of times, once with guildies, once with a friend + 2 pugs and once with pure pugs. I can understand why only a few people want to do it. The broken ghost walls of the last phase do require a ton of awareness to your surroundings.

I do not believe the only way of completing content is to pay. I believe networking and socialising is the key here, since we're talking about a content requiring only 4 players. Whenever you stumble upon an other willing and capable player, ask them about adding them to friendlist for a possibility of a later run. Do this often, and before you know, you have a roster of capable and willing souls in your friendlist.

Harvokaan

Selling runs is not against the tos and you can do nothing about it BUT if they require you to share your account, it is bannable. Report them for that.

As for doing achi without carry, try to find guilds that do this kind of content or like minded players. Of course the better your skills as tank/dd/healer, the easier will be to find a group

Franchise408

I thought selling runs just meant you were hiring a high level group to "carry" you through it.

jaws343

Franchise408 wrote: »

I thought selling runs just meant you were hiring a high level group to "carry" you through it.

That's all it really is. Usually, if it is a no death run, they'll have you kit out in tanky gear, if not, you are just relying on their dps and knowledge of mechanics to carry you.

Theros

jaws343 wrote: »

...."if it is a no death run"....

And if it is a no death run they use bug. They invite you to group, they kill you (or you just die) and go for dungeon with player dead.Since player die outside achivment will not see that.
Or they go with players acc. If players allow that!

Alemtuzumab

How is this scam? Did they take the money and run?

jaws343

Theros wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

...."if it is a no death run"....

And if it is a no death run they use bug. They invite you to group, they kill you (or you just die) and go for dungeon with player dead.Since player die outside achivment will not see that.
Or they go with players acc. If players allow that!

Please don't partially quote me to fit your agenda.

Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo

Hi OP,

I got that achievement a while back and helped some friends complete it within the year.

I think they'll eventually nerf the ghost stage at the end and make bigger breaches, I'm sure of it, hence making it easier to pass
(It's the main problem of deaths in there for most players and most players desire the personality, even 'real' roleplayers do)

For newer players I can understand the frustrations. This is content most of us older players completed on launch or shortly after. As there no incentive to farm anything in there, well...it's rather empty.

Caluurion's Legacy (Light Armor) - Nerfed (slower and can be dodged)
Trappings of Invigoration (Medium Armor) (Did anyone ever use this?)
Ulfnor's Favor (Heavy Armor) (Same as above)
Thurvokun Set (Monster set) Nerfed (Smaller AOE and higher C/D I believe)

If you have a friends list and can't find people, well the problem can be related to the fact that there is nothing interesting for them and perhaps they have the achievement. Tries like you desire generally happen spontaneously through attempting to get new gear 'Oh ok you don't have the achievement ? Let's try then.'

As for the proposal of 'playing on your behalf'....I can understand that a IRL couple could help each other (living in the same house), but giving it to a stranger sounds like a bad idea and yes it's against the rules.

Other than that I don't really have any other suggestions, only that perhaps you could revise your friends list and try joining a friendly guild with people after the same thing as you. Blood, sweat and tears.

Theros

Alemtuzumab wrote: »

How is this scam? Did they take the money and run?

Not my money. lol! Not even my acc... wtf xD
It's just to try call attention of ZoS in here . Because if they do nothing about this... players will have no options.

Pay (even for guild mates)
Share account
or no achivment at all... and that can be frustrating when you understand you only have this 2 options.

Jaimeh

Theros wrote: »

Hi,

You have to pay, use bug or let others enter in your acc to get one achivment.... it's just sad!

Or learn the mechanics, practice, and eventually get it that way. It may be dificult and take time but it will also be rewarding and fun. There are guilds and discord groups that specialize on dungeon achievements, where people can find others who need the same achievement and form a group for it, you could check out the guild finder.

kojou

I did it with friends and didn't pay anyone...

We did have to practice HM a few times to get the mechanics down, and even took another guild mate through so he could get it. It was surprisingly easy to get the no-death though after we worked out the HM.

Just find a group of players that want the personality and are willing to put in some effort, assuming that you can hold your own in terms of DPS and mechanics you shouldn't need to pay for a carry.

I wouldn't call your "friend" a scammer, but account sharing is against ToS, and if he/she wanted to charge you for a carry then you are not as good a friend as you thought you were.

Theros

kojou wrote: »

I did it with friends and didn't pay anyone...

We did have to practice HM a few times to get the mechanics down, and even took another guild mate through so he could get it. It was surprisingly easy to get the no-death though after we worked out the HM.

Just find a group of players that want the personality and are willing to put in some effort, assuming that you can hold your own in terms of DPS and mechanics you shouldn't need to pay for a carry.

I wouldn't call your "friend" a scammer, but account sharing is against ToS, and if he/she wanted to charge you for a carry then you are not as good a friend as you thought you were.

Yesterday i stay there 3 hours with same guys (4 pugs). We almost did it! Then one-by-one leave because rage start take care of us all
Phase one of vFL?! its not even fun anymore... just to easy now. We deserve achivment in that lol! But Second phase... Maybe we will return... but it's so frustrating.

Katheriah

Theros wrote: »

You have to pay, use bug or let others enter in your acc to get one achivment.... it's just sad!

I've recently gotten the achievement without bugs or paying. Have you tried befriending good players that want to practice with you?

Ariont

Myself and 3 of my friends have been trying to get the achievement now for about a month. We go in once , maybe twice a week for a 2 hour run and if we don't succeed, we finish it on normal vet. Have been really close to no death a few times but RNG can be a bear at times

We got our speed run completed on our 2nd or 3rd trip in, finally got our NO death this week. HM has been trying our patience, but we are getting to 2nd phase every time. Been really close to getting it completed but so far no cigar. Main thing is we see a progression every time we go in and like some of our other achievements we will eventually succeed. Mainly we have fun running together and learning as we go.

In the end we will succeed and there will be a in-game snapshot of the 4 of us in our new personalities to post on our discord along with all the others. Patience is a Virtue Good luck on your adventure.

lauykanson

Not sure which platform you play on but I main PCEU and plenty of players are capable of handling Fang Lair hardmode, people asking for groups in guild chat almost everyday and Craglorn as well. All you need is a group of players with robust mental fortitude and capability to improve. Especially if you are aiming for the personality only if will eventually come with practice and coordination, but if it's trifecta in FL then I can understand no one wants to do it because its grinding RNG after doing all you can.