Would you want a placeable trader for your house?

Raideen

Yes

Jeremy wrote: »

Eponavandrel wrote: »

Hell no. IMO we already have too much in our houses. Lets get daily writ quests, traders, trial and arena portals, crafting nodes, actually everything available overland and in game world will be totaly empty, pointless.

Adding a personal trader to someone's house wouldn't replace the traders in the overland, which would still be better stocked due to the fact they encompass an entire guild. So there is no danger of this suggestion causing the overland to become empty.

Exactly.

I think this is a great idea. I already make some of my houses, like Snugpod to theme with the trader and bank. I dont use it as a house, I use it as a way point.

The problem I find, is how to get the information of what is being sold at different houses and get that info to the public in an easy way. Tabbing out is not the answer due to consoles. The info needs to be baked into the game. There would need to be some kind of menu. Perhaps a "listing board" like the ones we get daily crafting quests from. The board would list the items for sale by the item type, or player name. Then you would select off the board to enter that home.

I think its a great way to allow players to build to theme with the game, be a part of the environment and share with others.

of course this would also be open to abuse as people could decorate some degenerate stuff (I have been invited to homes that made me literally vomit due to the nature of the content). These would have to be reported, but then that requires an employee to "police" housing if those houses are made to the public.

This might lead to legal things..

I still think it would be a fun and cool idea, but I can also see the potential downfalls. Although I think the downfalls would be far and few between, not the common rule.

Sylvermynx

No

spartaxoxo wrote: »

TheImperfect wrote: »

BulletMagnetX wrote: »

I'm not sure what you would use it for exactly.

I'd be more inclined to spend time in my houses if they got invaded by bandits and monsters from time to time.

Please this is my worst nightmare, I feel homes are a haven. If it was optional I may use it if I was feeling like it but definitely don't want that by default.

Well all furnishings are optional in this game. So you wouldn't need to place it if you didn't want to and you can also set who is allowed to visit your house.

I think @TheImperfect was referring to the "invaded by bandits and monsters" part.

TheImperfect

Yes

Sylvermynx wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

TheImperfect wrote: »

BulletMagnetX wrote: »

I'm not sure what you would use it for exactly.

I'd be more inclined to spend time in my houses if they got invaded by bandits and monsters from time to time.

Please this is my worst nightmare, I feel homes are a haven. If it was optional I may use it if I was feeling like it but definitely don't want that by default.

Well all furnishings are optional in this game. So you wouldn't need to place it if you didn't want to and you can also set who is allowed to visit your house.

I think @TheImperfect was referring to the "invaded by bandits and monsters" part.

Thankyou, yes I was referring to home invasions.

hafgood

No

Jeremy wrote: »

You would know the same way most everyone else knows which trader to check, by looking on TTC. Then you would add the player to your list and just visit their primary residence. Or they could simply add a text command you could type to enter the player's house. That is unless you're one of those unfortunates who have to meander from guild trader to guild trader just hoping to come across what you are looking for, in which case trading is already a nightmare and adding personal traders isn't going to change that.

I know I would use it. I'm sure many others would as well.

Aah, yes I understand now. This would be a PC exclusive then???

How would us console players make use of TTC when it doesn't work for us?

When making suggestions please do consider the vast numbers of players that don't have add ons, which is all of the console players and many of the PC players.

BlueRaven

No

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

I don't have house visitors.

edit: I also don't have much to sell. I'd never make it in a trade guild, even if I wanted to join one.

All of my guilds have traders, only two are trading guilds.

BlueRaven

No

Jeremy wrote: »

hafgood wrote: »

Who is going to visit to use it?

How are you going to let people know your house has stuff to buy in it?

Who wants to traipse round multiple houses looking to see what's for sale?

Most people only check the main trading history where there are multiple guild traders, not just one. And without loading screens in between each one.

This idea needs a bit more thought put into it before it could even be considered

You would know the same way most everyone else knows which trader to check, by looking on TTC. Then you would add the player to your list and just visit their primary residence. Or they could simply add a text command you could type to enter the player's house. That is unless you're one of those unfortunates who have to meander from guild trader to guild trader just hoping to come across what you are looking for, in which case trading is already a nightmare and adding personal traders isn't going to change that.

I know I would use it. I'm sure many others would as well.

So it would work using 3rd party software and external website?

No. Not happening.

BlueRaven

No

Bradyfjord wrote: »

I'd rather they make an actual Auction House that everyone can participate on. Then, maybe we can circle back and discuss other trading related concerns.

Wow’s auction house is awful and is dominated by bots. ESO’s system is way better.

I am in 5 guilds. Only two of them are trading guilds yet all five have traders. Just join a guild that has a trader. It does not actually need to be a trading guild.

Raideen

Yes

BlueRaven wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

hafgood wrote: »

Who is going to visit to use it?

How are you going to let people know your house has stuff to buy in it?

Who wants to traipse round multiple houses looking to see what's for sale?

Most people only check the main trading history where there are multiple guild traders, not just one. And without loading screens in between each one.

This idea needs a bit more thought put into it before it could even be considered

You would know the same way most everyone else knows which trader to check, by looking on TTC. Then you would add the player to your list and just visit their primary residence. Or they could simply add a text command you could type to enter the player's house. That is unless you're one of those unfortunates who have to meander from guild trader to guild trader just hoping to come across what you are looking for, in which case trading is already a nightmare and adding personal traders isn't going to change that.

I know I would use it. I'm sure many others would as well.

So it would work using 3rd party software and external website?

No. Not happening.

Not necessarily, that is one suggestion and I agree the wrong one.

Perhaps a "quest board" outside of homes that shows a listing of items like a guild trader. You search for an item, (like we do now) and enter into that house to peruse their wares.

Raideen

Yes

BlueRaven wrote: »

Bradyfjord wrote: »

I'd rather they make an actual Auction House that everyone can participate on. Then, maybe we can circle back and discuss other trading related concerns.

Wow’s auction house is awful and is dominated by bots. ESO’s system is way better.

I am in 5 guilds. Only two of them are trading guilds yet all five have traders. Just join a guild that has a trader. It does not actually need to be a trading guild.

That is heavily debatable, but that aside then I assume you agree that Master Merchant, all trade API's and Tamriel Trade Center be removed from the game? Because they make a one stop auction house, I think TTC even says that on their header.

VaranisArano

hafgood wrote: »

Who is going to visit to use it?

How are you going to let people know your house has stuff to buy in it?

Who wants to traipse round multiple houses looking to see what's for sale?

Most people only check the main trading history where there are multiple guild traders, not just one. And without loading screens in between each one.

This idea needs a bit more thought put into it before it could even be considered

Here's an example:

I see a number of furniture sellers who sell in zone chat from a "catalog" of furnishings. Rather than spam zone, they'll list a couple hot items and then invite buyers to their house to look at other items.

They could use a trader to list their furnishings for sale in the same location as buyers can view an example of the item.

BlueRaven

No

Raideen wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

hafgood wrote: »

Who is going to visit to use it?

How are you going to let people know your house has stuff to buy in it?

Who wants to traipse round multiple houses looking to see what's for sale?

Most people only check the main trading history where there are multiple guild traders, not just one. And without loading screens in between each one.

This idea needs a bit more thought put into it before it could even be considered

You would know the same way most everyone else knows which trader to check, by looking on TTC. Then you would add the player to your list and just visit their primary residence. Or they could simply add a text command you could type to enter the player's house. That is unless you're one of those unfortunates who have to meander from guild trader to guild trader just hoping to come across what you are looking for, in which case trading is already a nightmare and adding personal traders isn't going to change that.

I know I would use it. I'm sure many others would as well.

So it would work using 3rd party software and external website?

No. Not happening.

Not necessarily, that is one suggestion and I agree the wrong one.

Perhaps a "quest board" outside of homes that shows a listing of items like a guild trader. You search for an item, (like we do now) and enter into that house to peruse their wares.

There is probably several hundred (if not several thousand) people that could own any particular home. Which means there could be literally tens of thousands of items listed in any particular space.

There is a reason why guild traders are quantity limited. Seriously how is this supposed to be structured?

Just join a guild with a trader. It could be an RP guild, a housing guild, whatever. I have five guilds with traders, NONE OF THEM charge dues.

It’s so much easier.

Raideen

Yes

VaranisArano wrote: »

hafgood wrote: »

Who is going to visit to use it?

How are you going to let people know your house has stuff to buy in it?

Who wants to traipse round multiple houses looking to see what's for sale?

Most people only check the main trading history where there are multiple guild traders, not just one. And without loading screens in between each one.

This idea needs a bit more thought put into it before it could even be considered

Here's an example:

I see a number of furniture sellers who sell in zone chat from a "catalog" of furnishings. Rather than spam zone, they'll list a couple hot items and then invite buyers to their house to look at other items.

They could use a trader to list their furnishings for sale in the same location as buyers can view an example of the item.

You know. That is a darn good idea. Showcasing the furniture items in real time, in game at real scale would be HUGE for the housing community. I use ESO fashion for their tireless efforts of taking screenshots with their character next to the item so we get a sense of scale, but its not perfect.

With a max slot of 30 items to sell, people would not have to spam a gazillion furnishing items to show their wares and it would be at their advantage to NOT show things not for sale.

Amottica

Just show me the results already

I doubt it would be worth the effort for us to use let alone Zenimax to spend the time and money to create. Few, if any, are going to go house to house of players in their guilds and friends list to see what they have listed. It would be a complete waste of time since a guild trader has 500 times the players listing items on their trader and are much easier to access.

As for linking the guild store to the trader placed in the guild house, there is no such thing as a guild house in the game so Zenimax could not make the second part of the suggested functionality work as things are now.

Also of note, Zenimax has said they are not interested in offering such functionality to houses as they want to give players a reason to go to the cities.

So while I do not care, which is why I have not voted yes or not, I do not see it as very practical by any means.

BlueRaven

No

Raideen wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

Bradyfjord wrote: »

I'd rather they make an actual Auction House that everyone can participate on. Then, maybe we can circle back and discuss other trading related concerns.

Wow’s auction house is awful and is dominated by bots. ESO’s system is way better.

I am in 5 guilds. Only two of them are trading guilds yet all five have traders. Just join a guild that has a trader. It does not actually need to be a trading guild.

That is heavily debatable, but that aside then I assume you agree that Master Merchant, all trade API's and Tamriel Trade Center be removed from the game? Because they make a one stop auction house, I think TTC even says that on their header.

I play primarily on a Mac, so ttc is not available to me anyway.

As for the rest, sure remove them. I always just look to see what other people in my guilds are selling things for and price it accordingly anyway.

The list of addons that I would not mind being removed is quite long, although to be fair I can think of a few I want to add. (But those are more or less RP related.)

Raideen

Yes

Amottica wrote: »

I doubt it would be worth the effort for us to use let alone Zenimax to spend the time and money to create.

I dunna about that. 50 dollars for an in home trade stall would add up pretty fast even on the low end of things. I mean ZOS said they have 19 million accounts in ESO, surely even a small % of that number at 50 bucks a pop would generate enough revenue to pay for the project not to mention years of residual income.

Amottica wrote: »

Few, if any, are going to go house to house of players in their guilds and friends list to see what they have listed. It would be a complete waste of time since a guild trader has 500 times the players listing items on their trader and are much easier to access.

What metric are you using to assert that no one would visit homes? The feature does not exist (right now), so there is no way to determine by data alone that the issue you assert would in fact, be an issue.
I think going through a stack of 30 furnishing items from individual sellers would be tons of fun. It would be like going shopping. My only request would be that addons not be allowed to make to consolidate the listings. Create a subsection of the forums where people list items and show screenshots to advertise. Zone chat would also be welcoming. Not to mention good ole' beating the path and searching for items. This would be more inline with the original vision of the guild trader than the current system.

Amottica wrote: »

As for linking the guild store to the trader placed in the guild house, there is no such thing as a guild house in the game so Zenimax could not make the second part of the suggested functionality work as things are now.

A guild house is the primary home of the person appointed by the guild leader/owner to use for guild events. Just direct the link to that persons primary home.

Amottica wrote: »

Also of note, Zenimax has said they are not interested in offering such functionality to houses as they want to give players a reason to go to the cities.

There are a fair amount of homes in the cities. If anything this would DRIVE traffic to the cities.

Amottica wrote: »

So while I do not care, which is why I have not voted yes or not, I do not see it as very practical by any means.

Just some creative imagination and the solution can be found

hafgood

No

Raideen wrote: »

That is heavily debatable, but that aside then I assume you agree that Master Merchant, all trade API's and Tamriel Trade Center be removed from the game? Because they make a one stop auction house, I think TTC even says that on their header.

Again please remember many of us play on console so play the game as it was meant to be played - without addons, which, incidentally, are not part of the game.

Raideen

Yes

BlueRaven wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

Bradyfjord wrote: »

I'd rather they make an actual Auction House that everyone can participate on. Then, maybe we can circle back and discuss other trading related concerns.

Wow’s auction house is awful and is dominated by bots. ESO’s system is way better.

I am in 5 guilds. Only two of them are trading guilds yet all five have traders. Just join a guild that has a trader. It does not actually need to be a trading guild.

That is heavily debatable, but that aside then I assume you agree that Master Merchant, all trade API's and Tamriel Trade Center be removed from the game? Because they make a one stop auction house, I think TTC even says that on their header.

I play primarily on a Mac, so ttc is not available to me anyway.

As for the rest, sure remove them. I always just look to see what other people in my guilds are selling things for and price it accordingly anyway.

The list of addons that I would not mind being removed is quite long, although to be fair I can think of a few I want to add. (But those are more or less RP related.)

I think a basic stat sheet for RP should be in the base game personally. It's fun to read about the lore behind a persons character, it helps to build community and brings a lot of life to the game.

But one thing I am confused about. Do mac players play on their own separate server? I thought they played on PCNA and PCEU. TTC works for those servers regardless of the kind of computer you use to play the game, at least this is how I understand it.

BlueRaven

No

Raideen wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

Bradyfjord wrote: »

I'd rather they make an actual Auction House that everyone can participate on. Then, maybe we can circle back and discuss other trading related concerns.

Wow’s auction house is awful and is dominated by bots. ESO’s system is way better.

I am in 5 guilds. Only two of them are trading guilds yet all five have traders. Just join a guild that has a trader. It does not actually need to be a trading guild.

That is heavily debatable, but that aside then I assume you agree that Master Merchant, all trade API's and Tamriel Trade Center be removed from the game? Because they make a one stop auction house, I think TTC even says that on their header.

I play primarily on a Mac, so ttc is not available to me anyway.

As for the rest, sure remove them. I always just look to see what other people in my guilds are selling things for and price it accordingly anyway.

The list of addons that I would not mind being removed is quite long, although to be fair I can think of a few I want to add. (But those are more or less RP related.)

I think a basic stat sheet for RP should be in the base game personally. It's fun to read about the lore behind a persons character, it helps to build community and brings a lot of life to the game.

But one thing I am confused about. Do mac players play on their own separate server? I thought they played on PCNA and PCEU. TTC works for those servers regardless of the kind of computer you use to play the game, at least this is how I understand it.

Macs play on the regular pc/Mac server. Ttc requires a separate client that is pc only, they never made a Mac version.

Raideen

Yes

BlueRaven wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

Bradyfjord wrote: »

I'd rather they make an actual Auction House that everyone can participate on. Then, maybe we can circle back and discuss other trading related concerns.

Wow’s auction house is awful and is dominated by bots. ESO’s system is way better.

I am in 5 guilds. Only two of them are trading guilds yet all five have traders. Just join a guild that has a trader. It does not actually need to be a trading guild.

That is heavily debatable, but that aside then I assume you agree that Master Merchant, all trade API's and Tamriel Trade Center be removed from the game? Because they make a one stop auction house, I think TTC even says that on their header.

I play primarily on a Mac, so ttc is not available to me anyway.

As for the rest, sure remove them. I always just look to see what other people in my guilds are selling things for and price it accordingly anyway.

The list of addons that I would not mind being removed is quite long, although to be fair I can think of a few I want to add. (But those are more or less RP related.)

I think a basic stat sheet for RP should be in the base game personally. It's fun to read about the lore behind a persons character, it helps to build community and brings a lot of life to the game.

But one thing I am confused about. Do mac players play on their own separate server? I thought they played on PCNA and PCEU. TTC works for those servers regardless of the kind of computer you use to play the game, at least this is how I understand it.

Macs play on the regular pc/Mac server. Ttc requires a separate client that is pc only, they never made a Mac version.

You don't need an addon to use the website though, you just need to go to the website.

Amottica

Just show me the results already

Raideen wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

I doubt it would be worth the effort for us to use let alone Zenimax to spend the time and money to create.

I dunna about that. 50 dollars for an in home trade stall would add up pretty fast even on the low end of things. I mean ZOS said they have 19 million accounts in ESO, surely even a small % of that number at 50 bucks a pop would generate enough revenue to pay for the project not to mention years of residual income.

Amottica wrote: »

Few, if any, are going to go house to house of players in their guilds and friends list to see what they have listed. It would be a complete waste of time since a guild trader has 500 times the players listing items on their trader and are much easier to access.

What metric are you using to assert that no one would visit homes? The feature does not exist (right now), so there is no way to determine by data alone that the issue you assert would in fact, be an issue.
I think going through a stack of 30 furnishing items from individual sellers would be tons of fun. It would be like going shopping. My only request would be that addons not be allowed to make to consolidate the listings. Create a subsection of the forums where people list items and show screenshots to advertise. Zone chat would also be welcoming. Not to mention good ole' beating the path and searching for items. This would be more inline with the original vision of the guild trader than the current system.

Amottica wrote: »

As for linking the guild store to the trader placed in the guild house, there is no such thing as a guild house in the game so Zenimax could not make the second part of the suggested functionality work as things are now.

A guild house is the primary home of the person appointed by the guild leader/owner to use for guild events. Just direct the link to that persons primary home.

Amottica wrote: »

Also of note, Zenimax has said they are not interested in offering such functionality to houses as they want to give players a reason to go to the cities.

There are a fair amount of homes in the cities. If anything this would DRIVE traffic to the cities.

Amottica wrote: »

So while I do not care, which is why I have not voted yes or not, I do not see it as very practical by any means.

Just some creative imagination and the solution can be found

1. As a game designer yourself, I expect you can see that designers and developers should only add items that are good for the game and fit their vision (as they should stay true to their vision). Adding something merely because it will bring some revenue is cheap and not worthy of a top-tier MMORPG such as ESO. $50 is also fairly generous
2. I double-checked my post and I did not say no one would visit homes. Not sure where you got that assertion since I clearly said few if any so there is no reason to suggest otherwise, but we should move on.

The rationale and logic behind that comment is that it makes much more sense to visit guild traders where we can see listings from large groups of players in one location and many times be able to visit multiple traders with only one load screen. Sure, some might but there is not much reason to expect it would be widely used or worthy of the $50 you suggested.
3. The game considers every house as one owned by a player. The guild cannot own a home nor is there a means in-game to designate a home as a guild home. Therefore there is no actual guild home in the context of this thread.
4. The number of player homes in the cities is irrelevant as we cannot go into a city and choose which player's home at that location we will enter. The only means we have to travel to a home is by clicking on their name and selecting traveling to their primary home or by using an addon that is only available on PC.

More importantly, I have merely stated the reason Zenimax said and their suggestion makes sense.

And as always it is a pleasure sharing differing opinions on a subject, I respect you have a different opinion.

BlueRaven

No

Raideen wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

Bradyfjord wrote: »

I'd rather they make an actual Auction House that everyone can participate on. Then, maybe we can circle back and discuss other trading related concerns.

Wow’s auction house is awful and is dominated by bots. ESO’s system is way better.

I am in 5 guilds. Only two of them are trading guilds yet all five have traders. Just join a guild that has a trader. It does not actually need to be a trading guild.

That is heavily debatable, but that aside then I assume you agree that Master Merchant, all trade API's and Tamriel Trade Center be removed from the game? Because they make a one stop auction house, I think TTC even says that on their header.

I play primarily on a Mac, so ttc is not available to me anyway.

As for the rest, sure remove them. I always just look to see what other people in my guilds are selling things for and price it accordingly anyway.

The list of addons that I would not mind being removed is quite long, although to be fair I can think of a few I want to add. (But those are more or less RP related.)

I think a basic stat sheet for RP should be in the base game personally. It's fun to read about the lore behind a persons character, it helps to build community and brings a lot of life to the game.

But one thing I am confused about. Do mac players play on their own separate server? I thought they played on PCNA and PCEU. TTC works for those servers regardless of the kind of computer you use to play the game, at least this is how I understand it.

Macs play on the regular pc/Mac server. Ttc requires a separate client that is pc only, they never made a Mac version.

You don't need an addon to use the website though, you just need to go to the website.

I know, I just don’t bother. I might go there if I get something I absolutely have no idea what it might be worth, but the last time that happened was maybe a year ago.

I usually just see what other people in my guilds are selling it for or just simply ask in my guilds.

I used to run MM (it was heavy so I got rid of it) and then I ran Ark trade tools, I did not like it either. I find just just using the vendor as intended was good enough for me.

That is not to say I am against addons. I have a ton of inventory, housing, and crafting addons. But trader addons I just don’t bother with.

And yes I am in two “trader guilds” and participate without issues. Shocking.

MageCatF4F

Yes

Just give us hoi polloi a No-guild guild trader in one city in every faction and tax us enough to make the guild monopolies happy. I was in guilds starting with UO in 1998. I have come to hate guilds.

If interested I sell chromium plate from a rock in Rawl at a very good discount.

Raideen

Yes

Amottica wrote: »

1. As a game designer yourself, I expect you can see that designers and developers should only add items that are good for the game and fit their vision (as they should stay true to their vision). Adding something merely because it will bring some revenue is cheap and not worthy of a top-tier MMORPG such as ESO. $50 is also fairly generous

The idea does fit the vision, in fact its closer to the vison of what the guild trader was intended to do, than the current guild trader system. There is nothing cheap about the idea. In fact with the new wave of MMORPG's coming out that have less to do with killing and are more social in nature, it would behoove ZOS to seriously consider game styles other than "kill kill kill" as the game currently revolves around. This by no means makes the game "cheap".
As far as the price. 50 dollars is EXTREMELY expensive. the idea should cost 5 at max. No item in a game should EVER be more than the retail box copy of the game. ZOS is making plenty, this would not even remotely affect their bottom line.

Amottica wrote: »

3. I double-checked my post and I did not say no one would visit homes. Not sure where you got that assertion since I clearly said few if any so there is no reason to suggest otherwise, but we should move on.

This is your quote "Few, if any, are going to go house to house of players in their guilds and friends list to see what they have listed."

Amottica wrote: »

The rationale and logic behind that comment is that it makes much more sense to visit guild traders where we can see listings from large groups of players in one location and many times be able to visit multiple traders with only one load screen. Sure, some might but there is not much reason to expect it would be widely used or worthy of the $50 you suggested.

As another posted suggested and I completely agree, in fact it was right above your post, but that a key feature of having a home and items listed for sale in that home through a personal furniture trade stall, is the ability to see the items in game and see their scale. If you do not do housing, then you will not understand how HUGE this is. Currently as it stands, one can not determine the scale of an item without seeing it in game. This would allow for that.
Secondly, there is also no reason to expect that this feature would not be greatly used. Heck this could be the thing that brings housing to the first page.

Amottica wrote: »

4. The game considers every house as one owned by a player. The guild cannot own a home nor is there a means in-game to designate a home as a guild home. Therefore there is no actual guild home in the context of this thread.

Every guild in game has a guild house and houses have been made to facilitate the need for guildies to meet up for guild activities. The fact they are listed under the guild owner (ususally the case) or the second in command (usually the case) does not change the fact that these homes are being used for guild activities.
The simple solution is to give guild leaders the option to designate a specific home as the "guild house" just like they can set their primary house. Easy peasy.

Amottica wrote: »

6. The number of player homes in the cities is irrelevant as we cannot go into a city and choose which player's home at that location we will enter. The only means we have to travel to a home is by clicking on their name and selecting traveling to their primary home or by using an addon that is only available on PC.

And as stated, all we need is a "daily crafting quest" style board outside of homes as an interface to peruse the wares of the owners of that home. Its actually a pretty simple solution at its core and implementation would not be any more difficult than how a current guild trade stall is set up.

Amottica wrote: »

More importantly, I have merely stated the reason Zenimax said and their suggestion makes sense.

Do you happen to have a direct quote on this? I have not seen this data myself, but you always appear to have every Zenimax quote at your fingertips, that is some hard core due diligence for someone who started playing this year! Well done, honestly! This information could be helpful so that we can help the developers work around their problems. More minds on the topic so to speak. Thank you for your support in helping us flesh this idea out

Amottica

Just show me the results already

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Raideen wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

1. As a game designer yourself, I expect you can see that designers and developers should only add items that are good for the game and fit their vision (as they should stay true to their vision). Adding something merely because it will bring some revenue is cheap and not worthy of a top-tier MMORPG such as ESO. $50 is also fairly generous

The idea does fit the vision, in fact its closer to the vison of what the guild trader was intended to do, than the current guild trader system. There is nothing cheap about the idea. In fact with the new wave of MMORPG's coming out that have less to do with killing and are more social in nature, it would behoove ZOS to seriously consider game styles other than "kill kill kill" as the game currently revolves around. This by no means makes the game "cheap".
As far as the price. 50 dollars is EXTREMELY expensive. the idea should cost 5 at max. No item in a game should EVER be more than the retail box copy of the game. ZOS is making plenty, this would not even remotely affect their bottom line.

Amottica wrote: »

3. I double-checked my post and I did not say no one would visit homes. Not sure where you got that assertion since I clearly said few if any so there is no reason to suggest otherwise, but we should move on.

This is your quote "Few, if any, are going to go house to house of players in their guilds and friends list to see what they have listed."

Amottica wrote: »

The rationale and logic behind that comment is that it makes much more sense to visit guild traders where we can see listings from large groups of players in one location and many times be able to visit multiple traders with only one load screen. Sure, some might but there is not much reason to expect it would be widely used or worthy of the $50 you suggested.

As another posted suggested and I completely agree, in fact it was right above your post, but that a key feature of having a home and items listed for sale in that home through a personal furniture trade stall, is the ability to see the items in game and see their scale. If you do not do housing, then you will not understand how HUGE this is. Currently as it stands, one can not determine the scale of an item without seeing it in game. This would allow for that.
Secondly, there is also no reason to expect that this feature would not be greatly used. Heck this could be the thing that brings housing to the first page.

Amottica wrote: »

4. The game considers every house as one owned by a player. The guild cannot own a home nor is there a means in-game to designate a home as a guild home. Therefore there is no actual guild home in the context of this thread.

Every guild in game has a guild house and houses have been made to facilitate the need for guildies to meet up for guild activities. The fact they are listed under the guild owner (ususally the case) or the second in command (usually the case) does not change the fact that these homes are being used for guild activities.
The simple solution is to give guild leaders the option to designate a specific home as the "guild house" just like they can set their primary house. Easy peasy.

Amottica wrote: »

6. The number of player homes in the cities is irrelevant as we cannot go into a city and choose which player's home at that location we will enter. The only means we have to travel to a home is by clicking on their name and selecting traveling to their primary home or by using an addon that is only available on PC.

And as stated, all we need is a "daily crafting quest" style board outside of homes as an interface to peruse the wares of the owners of that home. Its actually a pretty simple solution at its core and implementation would not be any more difficult than how a current guild trade stall is set up.

Amottica wrote: »

More importantly, I have merely stated the reason Zenimax said and their suggestion makes sense.

Do you happen to have a direct quote on this? I have not seen this data myself, but you always appear to have every Zenimax quote at your fingertips, that is some hard core due diligence for someone who started playing this year! Well done, honestly! This information could be helpful so that we can help the developers work around their problems. More minds on the topic so to speak. Thank you for your support in helping us flesh this idea out

I understand a lot of guilds have a house that is owned by a player they consider to be a guild house and I am not arguing that point and that is not what I am saying. If the player that owns the home leaves the guild or the game the home nor the contents can be transferred to another player in that guild because it is a de facto player home regardless of what we want it to be. It is just the way it is unless Zenimax chooses to make actual guild homes and I think they should.

As for the developer comment, a guildmate had commented the said that in one of their streams when I was asking why the banker does allow me to see the guild bank or guild trader. So yes, have probably spent too much time watching some feeds. I tried searching for it but searching for comments in a video does not work very well.

As for the rest that is not related to those two items, I respect your opinion as I expect you do the same for mine. I think we have made our thoughts on the matter clear. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

Raideen

Yes

Amottica wrote: »

I understand a lot of guilds have a house that is owned by a player they consider to be a guild house and I am not arguing that point and that is not what I am saying. If the player that owns the home leaves the guild or the game the home nor the contents can be transferred to another player in that guild because it is a de facto player home regardless of what we want it to be. It is just the way it is unless Zenimax chooses to make actual guild homes and I think they should.

And this is why I said their would need to be an option for guild leadership to have a "guild house" added to the list of guild owners along with "primary residence". The players who own guild homes in practice, almost universally are part of the guild organization. Husband wife teams etc.

Amottica wrote: »

As for the developer comment, a guildmate had commented the said that in one of their streams when I was asking why the banker does allow me to see the guild bank or guild trader. So yes, have probably spent too much time watching some feeds. I tried searching for it but searching for comments in a video does not work very well.

Ohh, ok so Zenmimax did not comment specifically on this particular topic. Ok good, nice to know that a suggestion such as the OP's has not been ruled out.

Amottica wrote: »

As for the rest that is not related to those two items, I respect your opinion as I expect you do the same for mine. I think we have made our thoughts on the matter clear. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

I have never disrespected your opinion. Not sure where that is coming from. I have been nothing but cordial and inviting.

Jeremy

Yes

hafgood wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

You would know the same way most everyone else knows which trader to check, by looking on TTC. Then you would add the player to your list and just visit their primary residence. Or they could simply add a text command you could type to enter the player's house. That is unless you're one of those unfortunates who have to meander from guild trader to guild trader just hoping to come across what you are looking for, in which case trading is already a nightmare and adding personal traders isn't going to change that.

I know I would use it. I'm sure many others would as well.

Aah, yes I understand now. This would be a PC exclusive then???

How would us console players make use of TTC when it doesn't work for us?

When making suggestions please do consider the vast numbers of players that don't have add ons, which is all of the console players and many of the PC players.

If you're on console then you could make the same exact argument against having guild traders, since you have to meander from one load screen to the next checking different towns. It's not much different. So I don't see how that argument is exclusive to personal traders. Because if that's how you feel, you might as well get rid of guild traders as well.

Though I would fully support adding a TTC-like function to the actual game so console players can use it too. As far as PC users, I have never downloaded a single addon. I just use the website.

Either way, I haven't seen an argument here against having personal traders that can't be equally applied to guild traders.

Jeremy

Yes

BlueRaven wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

hafgood wrote: »

Who is going to visit to use it?

How are you going to let people know your house has stuff to buy in it?

Who wants to traipse round multiple houses looking to see what's for sale?

Most people only check the main trading history where there are multiple guild traders, not just one. And without loading screens in between each one.

This idea needs a bit more thought put into it before it could even be considered

You would know the same way most everyone else knows which trader to check, by looking on TTC. Then you would add the player to your list and just visit their primary residence. Or they could simply add a text command you could type to enter the player's house. That is unless you're one of those unfortunates who have to meander from guild trader to guild trader just hoping to come across what you are looking for, in which case trading is already a nightmare and adding personal traders isn't going to change that.

I know I would use it. I'm sure many others would as well.

So it would work using 3rd party software and external website?

No. Not happening.

People have been using TTC to help them use guild traders for years now. it's hardly new and is already happening.

This suggestion would change nothing in that regard. All it would do is give individuals the chance to participate in the market independently of a guild and give people more of a reason to visit other player's houses. And both of those would be improvements.

spartaxoxo

Yes

Sylvermynx wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

TheImperfect wrote: »

BulletMagnetX wrote: »

I'm not sure what you would use it for exactly.

I'd be more inclined to spend time in my houses if they got invaded by bandits and monsters from time to time.

Please this is my worst nightmare, I feel homes are a haven. If it was optional I may use it if I was feeling like it but definitely don't want that by default.

Well all furnishings are optional in this game. So you wouldn't need to place it if you didn't want to and you can also set who is allowed to visit your house.

I think @TheImperfect was referring to the "invaded by bandits and monsters" part.

Ah. My bad. Yeah I also don't want my house invaded.

spartaxoxo

Yes

I think driving traffic to your personal guild store would and should be a player's own responsibility. I don't support an auction house like feature nor should it work like guild traders where strangers you didn't invite can go inside and buy things.

People already drive trade to their homes successfully with things like furniture stores. Just have the vendor in your house and people can visit it or not.

Jeremy

Yes

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I think driving traffic to your personal guild store would and should be a player's own responsibility. I don't support an auction house like feature nor should it work like guild traders where strangers you didn't invite can go inside and buy things.

People already drive trade to their homes successfully with things like furniture stores. Just have the vendor in your house and people can visit it or not.

There has to be an efficient way to advertise what you have for sale, otherwise players won't know which houses to visit.