So what am I missing here . . . ?

Caroloces

My understanding of the Curated Item Set Drop, introduced in update 32, was that bosses would drop set items that you have not collected yet. Knowing this, I decided to farm Spindleclutch for a set (Prayer's Shawl) and collect all items in that set with the idea that I would spend the smallest amount of transmute crystals to replicate particular items that I would choose to use in the future. I am fully aware that there are other sets in that dungeon that also might drop items that I have not collected yet, so it still would be a lengthy process to gather all of the Prayer's Shawl set. What is confusing to me at this point, is that I've run the dungeon about 5 times and the bosses continually drop set items that I've already collected, rather than ones I have not yet acquired for my collections. Is this a bug, or is there some element of this feature that I'm not quite understanding?
Thanks for any insights that may be offered.

FluffWit

If all you're missing is weapons and jewelery the normal rule applies- only the final boss drops those items.

I haven't messed with it yet but a friend spent an hour farming a public dungeon yesterday and got nothing but Spriggans greatswords since he'd intentionally set it up so they were the only potential drop he could get.

redspecter23

Just to add a bit to what has been said above, you will almost always collect the body pieces first. About half the items in any set are body pieces and usually 4 out of 5 bosses drop body pieces exclusively. Once you only need weapons and jewelry, you're only going to get those pieces from the final boss in group dungeons.

You can potentially get any of the set items for that dungeon in chests, but those are non curated.

ZOS could make it a bit more clear that each boss has a specific pool of loot that it can drop. There is a LOT of confusion over this lately with the curated items system being added.

jaws343

Curated loot did not alter the drop pool of the bosses:

Mini bosses will drop either a hand, waist, or feet set piece.
Bosses will drop either a chest, shoulder, head or leg set piece.
The final Boss of a dungeon will drop weapons or jewelry.

If you already have the set pieces that are part of a particular bosses drop pool then it won't drop any more curated items because you already got them all for the boss.

Caroloces

Thanks all. I did check and found that on all sets offered by spindleclutch I had collected all the dress pieces, but not jewelry and weapons!

Fluffwit, I'm curious about the comment below. How did your friend set it up so the greatsword was the only potential drop? I'm assuming that once you collect everything, it then goes back to the RNG for all items. So if your friend collected all of the Spriggan's Thorns set, the bosses would drop other items as well as the greatsword.

FluffWit wrote: »

I haven't messed with it yet but a friend spent an hour farming a public dungeon yesterday and got nothing but Spriggans greatswords since he'd intentionally set it up so they were the only potential drop he could get.

EmperorIl

I ran a dungeon in which I need 34 pieces......out of the 8 pieces I got only ONE of them was not previously collected before. Don't tell me this is working as intended.

PeacefulAnarchy

Caroloces wrote: »

Fluffwit, I'm curious about the comment below. How did your friend set it up so the greatsword was the only potential drop? I'm assuming that once you collect everything, it then goes back to the RNG for all items. So if your friend collected all of the Spriggan's Thorns set, the bosses would drop other items as well as the greatsword.

Spriggan's Thorns is an overland set. Overland sets are bind on equip, so you can just never bind it and bind the rest of the zone sets, and it will repeatedly be your only drop.

Theoretically you can do this in dungeons, but for that you'd need a buddy to hand off what you don't want to bind.

SeaGtGruff

jaws343 wrote: »

Curated loot did not alter the drop pool of the bosses:

Mini bosses will drop either a hand, waist, or feet set piece.
Bosses will drop either a chest, shoulder, head or leg set piece.
The final Boss of a dungeon will drop weapons or jewelry.

If you already have the set pieces that are part of a particular bosses drop pool then it won't drop any more curated items because you already got them all for the boss.

What counts as a "mini" boss? Is that one of the bosses you aren't required to kill for the Undaunted daily? Basically (if I'm not mistaken), any boss with less than three thingies on its life bar?

markulrich1966

I ran fungal grotto 1, Arx Corinium and Vaults of Madness during the event, xbox EU and NA, all on normal mode, maybe 200 times.

Worked as intended.

Curated drop from the LAST boss.
You must equip, deconstruct or destroy the piece to add it to the stickerbook, otherwise you might get a duplicate again.

You can get 1 not yet collected piece guaranteed per run from the last boss, from any of the sets in that dungeon, and non-guaranteed others from the bosses before the last one.
So in FG1 I got vipers sting, spider cultist and dreugh king slayer (I was farming DKS).
The best strategy was to do all bosses until I had half of the stickerbook filled, then in the follow up runs skip the other bosses and run directly to the last boss.

Compared to former runs without curated drops it was a real improvement.

jaws343

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Curated loot did not alter the drop pool of the bosses:

Mini bosses will drop either a hand, waist, or feet set piece.
Bosses will drop either a chest, shoulder, head or leg set piece.
The final Boss of a dungeon will drop weapons or jewelry.

If you already have the set pieces that are part of a particular bosses drop pool then it won't drop any more curated items because you already got them all for the boss.

What counts as a "mini" boss? Is that one of the bosses you aren't required to kill for the Undaunted daily? Basically (if I'm not mistaken), any boss with less than three thingies on its life bar?

It's basically many of the side bosses in dungeons that don't require you to kill to advance. As well as a few lesser ones that are required to kill.

Like the rat boss in Wayrest and the Spriggan side boss in Elden Hollow.

virtus753

EmperorIl wrote: »

I ran a dungeon in which I need 34 pieces......out of the 8 pieces I got only ONE of them was not previously collected before. Don't tell me this is working as intended.

Since it’s quite possible for those 34 items to be weapons and jewelry from the 3 dungeon sets (shields count as weapons for drop purposes), and since only one curated source in that dungeon has weapons and jewelry in its loot table (the final boss), yes, it may very well be working as intended. You seem to have had poor luck with the chests, if you looted those. They are not curated, so it would come down to RNG whether you drew a collected or uncollected piece from them.

Note that there is a bug that was just fixed on PC where a named item drop could interfere with the generic drop that comes with it, so if you haven’t got that fix yet it might have impacted your curation results. But it’s certainly possible for the system to give you only one new piece per run once you’re down to weapons and jewelry.

At least now you will now have only 33 solo runs at most to finish the collection even if you strike out completely with the chests. Before curation it was likely you would need many more.

Elsonso

Caroloces wrote: »

Thanks all. I did check and found that on all sets offered by spindleclutch I had collected all the dress pieces, but not jewelry and weapons!

Fluffwit, I'm curious about the comment below. How did your friend set it up so the greatsword was the only potential drop? I'm assuming that once you collect everything, it then goes back to the RNG for all items. So if your friend collected all of the Spriggan's Thorns set, the bosses would drop other items as well as the greatsword.

FluffWit wrote: »

I haven't messed with it yet but a friend spent an hour farming a public dungeon yesterday and got nothing but Spriggans greatswords since he'd intentionally set it up so they were the only potential drop he could get.

If you have collected everything the boss drops from the potential sets, except for the one greatsword, then that is all that the boss will drop. The sticker book is not automatic. As long as the greatsword is not bound to the account, it will continue to drop.

zaria

FluffWit wrote: »

If all you're missing is weapons and jewelery the normal rule applies- only the final boss drops those items.

I haven't messed with it yet but a friend spent an hour farming a public dungeon yesterday and got nothing but Spriggans greatswords since he'd intentionally set it up so they were the only potential drop he could get.

Yes that should work on an account who has collected all but one item.
He would then have to sell the drops as any other way he would learn it.

For more normal use I recommend checking you inventory often and bind items to not get duplicates, this includes chests from group dungeons, also named weapons can drop from other bosses.
Named weapons are not part of the curated drops but they are still part of the set so if you miss daggers from a set and get an named dagger in it, binding the dagger add it to sticker book and you don't get daggers from last boss.

Elsonso

zaria wrote: »

For more normal use I recommend checking you inventory often and bind items to not get duplicates, this includes chests from group dungeons, also named weapons can drop from other bosses.
Named weapons are not part of the curated drops but they are still part of the set so if you miss daggers from a set and get an named dagger in it, binding the dagger add it to sticker book and you don't get daggers from last boss.

On PC, addons can automatically bind items, either when they are picked up, or upon command.

For anyone unable, or unwilling, to use the addon, this is a manual task. The "please wait while I bind my stuff" may work for some group members, but others are just in the dungeon to clear it as fast as possible. They will not be interested in waiting while someone binds stuff. Sometimes, they are barely interested in waiting while others loot bodies.

redspecter23

EmperorIl wrote: »

I ran a dungeon in which I need 34 pieces......out of the 8 pieces I got only ONE of them was not previously collected before. Don't tell me this is working as intended.

It's entirely possible that is working as intended as you didn't provide any other details. If the only items you are missing are weapons/shield and jewelry, you only have one boss in that dungeon that offers those items as curated drops and that's the end boss. That's one drop chance and you said you received one item you needed so it's quite possible it's working as intended.

Now if you're suggesting that you are also missing armor pieces and didn't receive any curated drops for those, there may be a bug involved, but those seem to be rare or isolated to certain instances at this point.

SpiritKitten

Elsonso wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

For more normal use I recommend checking you inventory often and bind items to not get duplicates, this includes chests from group dungeons, also named weapons can drop from other bosses.
Named weapons are not part of the curated drops but they are still part of the set so if you miss daggers from a set and get an named dagger in it, binding the dagger add it to sticker book and you don't get daggers from last boss.

On PC, addons can automatically bind items, either when they are picked up, or upon command.

For anyone unable, or unwilling, to use the addon, this is a manual task. The "please wait while I bind my stuff" may work for some group members, but others are just in the dungeon to clear it as fast as possible. They will not be interested in waiting while someone binds stuff. Sometimes, they are barely interested in waiting while others loot bodies.

I have hotkeyed to 'bind all' in backpack (lootlog addon does this) and I just hit that key all the time as I run through a dungeon but especially after each boss.

Dojohoda

If a boss only drops head, shoulders, and chest.. that is all you will get despite having empty slots for other pieces.

Basically, the curated system does not force a category of drop that is not normally dropped.

As mentioned by others, always bind items as you get them if they are not yet in your sticker book.

FluffWit

Someone on ps4 clearly went to a lot of effort and got themselves set up so all they can get in Deshaan is Mothers Sorrow Inferno staves. Was looking in traders and the dude had like 20 up.

You can't really do that with dungeons. If no one in your group will take your drops theres no way to prevent you binding them and adding them to collections- even if you destroy the item it binds on destruction.

WildLight

FluffWit wrote: »

Someone on ps4 clearly went to a lot of effort and got themselves set up so all they can get in Deshaan is Mothers Sorrow Inferno staves. Was looking in traders and the dude had like 20 up.

You can't really do that with dungeons. If no one in your group will take your drops theres no way to prevent you binding them and adding them to collections- even if you destroy the item it binds on destruction.

Pretty sure I've seen people selling Kinras daggers and infernos runs so you can do it. I imagine you need to have a buddy who would run BDV with you and will take loot off your hands if no one bites tho.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

SpiritKitten wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

For more normal use I recommend checking you inventory often and bind items to not get duplicates, this includes chests from group dungeons, also named weapons can drop from other bosses.
Named weapons are not part of the curated drops but they are still part of the set so if you miss daggers from a set and get an named dagger in it, binding the dagger add it to sticker book and you don't get daggers from last boss.

On PC, addons can automatically bind items, either when they are picked up, or upon command.

For anyone unable, or unwilling, to use the addon, this is a manual task. The "please wait while I bind my stuff" may work for some group members, but others are just in the dungeon to clear it as fast as possible. They will not be interested in waiting while someone binds stuff. Sometimes, they are barely interested in waiting while others loot bodies.

I have hotkeyed to 'bind all' in backpack (lootlog addon does this) and I just hit that key all the time as I run through a dungeon but especially after each boss.

Oh didnt know that. I just found out the other day that clicking on the Lootlog button in the chat box pulls up the window. The more you know...

Funny, I love this feature, but there were some holes I didnt really anticipate.

First, average dungeon is 45 runs to complete, maybe less if you get lucky on some chests or trash drops. It shouldn't take anywhere near that to get all the armor, but the weapons are a grind.

Second, holy crap are there a lot of weapons in VMA. Not talking about arena weapons, just forgot how many regular sets are in that place. Ugh..

Third, non perfected items are super annoying. The notion that you need to farm normal trial and arenas if you are trying to complete your stickerbook is not appealing. Perfected drops should complete both in my opinion.

Fourth, this system is a bit of a double edged sword. Sharing of weapons on the last boss has gone down significantly. The reality is that most people need their drops for stickerbook, so the idea that your group might help you get something is not very realistic these days. This is especially true in trials. Still better than it was.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

SpiritKitten wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

For more normal use I recommend checking you inventory often and bind items to not get duplicates, this includes chests from group dungeons, also named weapons can drop from other bosses.
Named weapons are not part of the curated drops but they are still part of the set so if you miss daggers from a set and get an named dagger in it, binding the dagger add it to sticker book and you don't get daggers from last boss.

On PC, addons can automatically bind items, either when they are picked up, or upon command.

For anyone unable, or unwilling, to use the addon, this is a manual task. The "please wait while I bind my stuff" may work for some group members, but others are just in the dungeon to clear it as fast as possible. They will not be interested in waiting while someone binds stuff. Sometimes, they are barely interested in waiting while others loot bodies.

I have hotkeyed to 'bind all' in backpack (lootlog addon does this) and I just hit that key all the time as I run through a dungeon but especially after each boss.

OMG, that button is amazing.

jaws343

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

SpiritKitten wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

For more normal use I recommend checking you inventory often and bind items to not get duplicates, this includes chests from group dungeons, also named weapons can drop from other bosses.
Named weapons are not part of the curated drops but they are still part of the set so if you miss daggers from a set and get an named dagger in it, binding the dagger add it to sticker book and you don't get daggers from last boss.

On PC, addons can automatically bind items, either when they are picked up, or upon command.

For anyone unable, or unwilling, to use the addon, this is a manual task. The "please wait while I bind my stuff" may work for some group members, but others are just in the dungeon to clear it as fast as possible. They will not be interested in waiting while someone binds stuff. Sometimes, they are barely interested in waiting while others loot bodies.

I have hotkeyed to 'bind all' in backpack (lootlog addon does this) and I just hit that key all the time as I run through a dungeon but especially after each boss.

Oh didnt know that. I just found out the other day that clicking on the Lootlog button in the chat box pulls up the window. The more you know...

Funny, I love this feature, but there were some holes I didnt really anticipate.

First, average dungeon is 45 runs to complete, maybe less if you get lucky on some chests or trash drops. It shouldn't take anywhere near that to get all the armor, but the weapons are a grind.

Second, holy crap are there a lot of weapons in VMA. Not talking about arena weapons, just forgot how many regular sets are in that place. Ugh..

Third, non perfected items are super annoying. The notion that you need to farm normal trial and arenas if you are trying to complete your stickerbook is not appealing. Perfected drops should complete both in my opinion.

Fourth, this system is a bit of a double edged sword. Sharing of weapons on the last boss has gone down significantly. The reality is that most people need their drops for stickerbook, so the idea that your group might help you get something is not very realistic these days. This is especially true in trials. Still better than it was.

I'm waiting for the next double drop event to farm MA in normal and vet.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

jaws343 wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

SpiritKitten wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

For more normal use I recommend checking you inventory often and bind items to not get duplicates, this includes chests from group dungeons, also named weapons can drop from other bosses.
Named weapons are not part of the curated drops but they are still part of the set so if you miss daggers from a set and get an named dagger in it, binding the dagger add it to sticker book and you don't get daggers from last boss.

On PC, addons can automatically bind items, either when they are picked up, or upon command.

For anyone unable, or unwilling, to use the addon, this is a manual task. The "please wait while I bind my stuff" may work for some group members, but others are just in the dungeon to clear it as fast as possible. They will not be interested in waiting while someone binds stuff. Sometimes, they are barely interested in waiting while others loot bodies.

I have hotkeyed to 'bind all' in backpack (lootlog addon does this) and I just hit that key all the time as I run through a dungeon but especially after each boss.

Oh didnt know that. I just found out the other day that clicking on the Lootlog button in the chat box pulls up the window. The more you know...

Funny, I love this feature, but there were some holes I didnt really anticipate.

First, average dungeon is 45 runs to complete, maybe less if you get lucky on some chests or trash drops. It shouldn't take anywhere near that to get all the armor, but the weapons are a grind.

Second, holy crap are there a lot of weapons in VMA. Not talking about arena weapons, just forgot how many regular sets are in that place. Ugh..

Third, non perfected items are super annoying. The notion that you need to farm normal trial and arenas if you are trying to complete your stickerbook is not appealing. Perfected drops should complete both in my opinion.

Fourth, this system is a bit of a double edged sword. Sharing of weapons on the last boss has gone down significantly. The reality is that most people need their drops for stickerbook, so the idea that your group might help you get something is not very realistic these days. This is especially true in trials. Still better than it was.

I'm waiting for the next double drop event to farm MA in normal and vet.

Only need two more runs of Vet and one run of normal for MA weapons. I also still need Flawless of my Stamplar and Stam Necro to go 12/12, so that is sort of keeping me motivated. I went 14/15 twice on my stamplar over the weekend. Once the mushroom got me under a shield, the other time, I just murdered the second shield guy without even thinking. Cant blame that one on RNG, LOL. I had actually never tried stamplar before. Might actually be the easiest stam class now that Pale Order makes jabs heal.

I have been on a mission to fill my stickerbook, but I think that farming normal MA for random set weapons is going to be pretty low on my priority list.

Been a while, do all drops double during event? Like, are you guaranteed 2 set weapons in addition to 2 arena weapons?