Death dealers fete DSA Lead

KhajiitLivesMatter · January 2022

KilianDermoth wrote: »

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Decreasing stupid grind (and everything that feels like wasting its time, is such) is an improvement. So I am totally for it [snip]

Back to topic: I was lucky, I even didnt know that the grind is that bad, I just somehow got almost all leads before I was even interested in that ring. Also I just did several DSA runs a few months ago for loot and to level skills and get some more CP, especially during events.

its just the feeling that other players get an UNFAIR advantage over u for no reason which makes me rly angry
its litterly like if someone is cheating but that i would say is even better cause u can get banned for it....

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KilianDermoth · January 2022

That anger is called resentment. A bad human trait, nothing good.

Just think about what you really said. You said yourself that it is a bad experience and you want that it stays a bad experience for everyone else, because you did have that bad experience and dont want that anyone else will ever have a better experience.

The whole thing is egoism.

Also if such things should really be taken into consideration if talking about improvements we would have only regressuion and the game would be dead.

To clarify things, I am not for an total easy access to everything. Its still a game and games need some objectives you have to put at least some effort in.

But something like grinding an about 45 min lasting arena for over 30 times, where the outcome is just determined by luck with a not to high chance has very little in common with such objectives I mentioned in the sentence before.

The whole thing has prety nothing in common with cheating.

KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »

so basicly i m complaining cause older players need to grind the stuff 2x (if they ever had it before) and newer 1x

This is the only valid point. But this doesnt make the sticker book bad nor shouldnt it be added. It was great that it was added.

The thing is that even if ZOS wanted to add all collected items for older players, they probably couldnt do so, because they probably didnt have the information who ever collected which sets. Also I doubt that older players have had collected all sets existend in the whole game.

I think it wasnt optimal but it is even for older players positive.

KhajiitLivesMatter · January 2022

KilianDermoth wrote: »

That anger is called resentment. A bad human trait, nothing good.

Just think about what you really said. You said yourself that it is a bad experience and you want that it stays a bad experience for everyone else, because you did have that bad experience and dont want that anyone else will ever have a better experience.

The whole thing is egoism.

Also if such things should really be taken into consideration if talking about improvements we would have only regressuion and the game would be dead.

To clarify things, I am not for an total easy access to everything. Its still a game and games need some objectives you have to put at least some effort in.

But something like grinding an about 45 min lasting arena for over 30 times, where the outcome is just determined by luck with a not to high chance has very little in common with such objectives I mentioned in the sentence before.

The whole thing has prety nothing in common with cheating.

yea i know i m egoistic i never said something else

and btw there are solutions i would be happy with

lets take the cp change as example: they reduce the xp amount per lvl needed so take the xp of all players having cp and calculate there new lvl so nothing is lost
e.g. if u needed before 1000xp to get lvl 100 and u now need only 500xp than all old player should be set to lvl 150 or something like that

or e.g. with the perfect version of weapons (where i have the same problem) just upgrade the old weapons to perfect so no one needs to waste more time (and yea i think they statet somewhere that they cant do that cause of an technical issue but if thats true what i dont believe than thats VERY embarrasing...)

Oreyn_Bearclaw · January 2022

spartaxoxo wrote: »

KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »

honestly i can understand why u want better drop rates but i would hate to see it implemented for old stuff cause the time i spend getting the stuff would be worthless than in compare to anyone who starts grinding afterwards - like with the stickerbook

if they would do that AGAIN i would quit cause wasteing time is the thing i hate the most and if zos continues to punish longer playing players ill stop playing

The stickerbook did not punish older players, it rewarded them. It was one of fhe best changes this game ever made.

I am just bummed I did this lead farm prior to curated drops. Sticker book is great, but the smart loot really was the icing on the cake. Its not terrible because I farmed vDSA before perfected weapons were introduced, so I had a lot of the normal DSA weapons, but I am still missing some pieces that only drop on normal. I really dont ever want to do that place on normal ever again, but I am going to need to do a handful of runs at some point if I want a full book.

Dragonlord573 · January 2022

I got really lucky, on my first run actually trying to get the lead I got it. Probably won't be back anytime soon unless there is a endeavor for an arena.

spartaxoxo · January 2022

KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »

so basicly i m complaining cause older players need to grind the stuff 2x (if they ever had it before) and newer 1x

That's called generational jealously, and it is a bane to progress and improvement.

You are saying you want to suffer through bad drops for all of time, so that someone new doesn't get away with not suffering either. It's a terrible and selfish attitude imo.

You're not punished because they decided to make your life easier and didn't add pointless garbage to the new player experience just to suit your spite.

You gained a ton of benefits to the stickerbook including instantly gaining access to all your gear for all your current and future alts, regardless if you had a bunch saved you at the very least gained instant access to any uncrafted items you were wearing.

I instantly was able to equip 3 alts with MA staffs instead of having to grind them.

Vets and New players alike fairly gained many benefits from sets and curated drops. And your jealousy of the younger would not only take away those benefits from them but yourself if such things were actually legitimate and not just bad attitude.

Heck, you wouldn't even be playing video games. Our entire modern life is based on society improving instead of actually hurting ourselves to spite the young because it's "unfair" that their lives are better. We'd all still be in the agrarian age doing farm work the hard way with few tools.

So much of human progress as come from the idea "there's got to be a better way of doing this."

KhajiitLivesMatter · January 2022

spartaxoxo wrote: »

KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »

so basicly i m complaining cause older players need to grind the stuff 2x (if they ever had it before) and newer 1x

That's called generational jealously, and it is a bane to progress and improvement.

You are saying you want to suffer through bad drops for all of time, so that someone new doesn't get away with not suffering either. It's a terrible and selfish attitude imo.

You're not punished because they decided to make your life easier and didn't add pointless garbage to the new player experience just to suit your spite.

You gained a ton of benefits to the stickerbook including instantly gaining access to all your gear for all your current and future alts, regardless if you had a bunch saved you at the very least gained instant access to any uncrafted items you were wearing.

I instantly was able to equip 3 alts with MA staffs instead of having to grind them.

Vets and New players alike fairly gained many benefits from sets and curated drops. And your jealousy of the younger would not only take away those benefits from them but yourself if such things were actually legitimate and not just bad attitude.

Heck, you wouldn't even be playing video games. Our entire modern life is based on society improving instead of actually hurting ourselves to spite the young because it's "unfair" that their lives are better. We'd all still be in the agrarian age doing farm work the hard way with few tools.

So much of human progress as come from the idea "there's got to be a better way of doing this."

you are right to but that doesnt mea n there are no solutions all would be happy
- already wrote some examples in a comment above
- for the stickerbook e,g, u can just give all players before few crowncrates or a useless badge just something the time doesnt feel wasted

and i know in real u cant do stuff like that but in a game u can and u should imo

jecks33 · January 2022

got it the 2nd run, soloed in normal

Faulgor · January 2022

KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »

so basicly i m complaining cause older players need to grind the stuff 2x (if they ever had it before) and newer 1x

That's called generational jealously, and it is a bane to progress and improvement.

You are saying you want to suffer through bad drops for all of time, so that someone new doesn't get away with not suffering either. It's a terrible and selfish attitude imo.

You're not punished because they decided to make your life easier and didn't add pointless garbage to the new player experience just to suit your spite.

You gained a ton of benefits to the stickerbook including instantly gaining access to all your gear for all your current and future alts, regardless if you had a bunch saved you at the very least gained instant access to any uncrafted items you were wearing.

I instantly was able to equip 3 alts with MA staffs instead of having to grind them.

Vets and New players alike fairly gained many benefits from sets and curated drops. And your jealousy of the younger would not only take away those benefits from them but yourself if such things were actually legitimate and not just bad attitude.

Heck, you wouldn't even be playing video games. Our entire modern life is based on society improving instead of actually hurting ourselves to spite the young because it's "unfair" that their lives are better. We'd all still be in the agrarian age doing farm work the hard way with few tools.

So much of human progress as come from the idea "there's got to be a better way of doing this."

you are right to but that doesnt mea n there are no solutions all would be happy
- already wrote some examples in a comment above
- for the stickerbook e,g, u can just give all players before few crowncrates or a useless badge just something the time doesnt feel wasted

and i know in real u cant do stuff like that but in a game u can and u should imo

In "real" you absolutely can do stuff like that. It's called reparations.

I don't care in this case because it's a game and I can live with these trivial "injustices", but if someone has been seriously affected by policies or technologies, and they are abolished, that pain doesn't just go away because a new generation won't be affected. It's like the difference between prevention and treatment.

Kalik_Gold · January 2022

Got it quick, thankfully my guildmates helped. Yakuda Kiwami!

spartaxoxo · January 2022

KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »

so basicly i m complaining cause older players need to grind the stuff 2x (if they ever had it before) and newer 1x

That's called generational jealously, and it is a bane to progress and improvement.

You are saying you want to suffer through bad drops for all of time, so that someone new doesn't get away with not suffering either. It's a terrible and selfish attitude imo.

You're not punished because they decided to make your life easier and didn't add pointless garbage to the new player experience just to suit your spite.

You gained a ton of benefits to the stickerbook including instantly gaining access to all your gear for all your current and future alts, regardless if you had a bunch saved you at the very least gained instant access to any uncrafted items you were wearing.

I instantly was able to equip 3 alts with MA staffs instead of having to grind them.

Vets and New players alike fairly gained many benefits from sets and curated drops. And your jealousy of the younger would not only take away those benefits from them but yourself if such things were actually legitimate and not just bad attitude.

Heck, you wouldn't even be playing video games. Our entire modern life is based on society improving instead of actually hurting ourselves to spite the young because it's "unfair" that their lives are better. We'd all still be in the agrarian age doing farm work the hard way with few tools.

So much of human progress as come from the idea "there's got to be a better way of doing this."

you are right to but that doesnt mea n there are no solutions all would be happy
- already wrote some examples in a comment above
- for the stickerbook e,g, u can just give all players before few crowncrates or a useless badge just something the time doesnt feel wasted

and i know in real u cant do stuff like that but in a game u can and u should imo

Compensation is for when you've been harmed by an update. You don't need or deserve compensation for having your gameplay dramatically improved.

Rowjoh · September 4

Is there something that improves mythic lead drop chance that I'm not aware of? because I just got this 1st run, along with 3 of the others, and the majority of leads for my other mythics don't seem to take very long at all

GeneralGrundmann · September 4

It looks like update 42 drastically improved the drop chance of leads. Some say to 100% if it's the first drop of this lead for a player and it's in an arena or a trial.

Aurielle · September 4

GeneralGrundmann wrote: »

It looks like update 42 drastically improved the drop chance of leads. Some say to 100% if it's the first drop of this lead for a player and it's in an arena or a trial.

Well, I’m personally still struggling to get this lead. I run nDSA every other day at least once. No dice. I’ve just accepted my magsorc will never have this mythic, and have made peace with it.

ZOS_Volpe · September 5

Hi there,

We have gone ahead and closed this thread down since it is rather old. Please feel free to start a new topic on this subject if you wish to discuss it further.

Thank you for your understanding.