Did I do something really bad?

Alemtuzumab

Just had the following joyful conversation with some lovely people: (normal Scalecaller Peak)
(Yellow is me, white is tank, pink is dps)





They didn't even let me finish explaining the mech.




I always have both my healer and dps sets on me, so that I can switch based on the circumstance. In this case I thought the group dps was too low, so I switched on my dps set instead.

I don't know what I did wrong to make them so aggressive towards me.

Danikat

Alemtuzumab wrote: »

I always have both my healer and dps sets on me, so that I can switch based on the circumstance. In this case I thought the group dps was too low, so I switched on my dps set instead.

I don't know what I did wrong to make them so aggressive towards me.

Did you ask the group before switching roles, or at least tell them you were going to stop healing? Groups often don't need a healer, but most people play differently (like not bringing any self-healing skills) if they have one so suddenly losing their healer could have been a nasty surprise, even if damage did go up.

Wolf_Eye

I'm not sure "bad" is the right word for it here. It feels too generalized a word for this specific situation, especially as I don't know if we have enough information here.

First, did they ask you to explain mechs? Because if they didn't, they probably got very irritated at you for that. Most people in PUGs (was this a PUG?) don't like being told what to do. I'm not sure if I would classify it as "good" or "bad", it just is the way of PUGs.

Second, if you grouped as a healer and switched roles and didn't let the group know, they probably thought you were a fake healer. A ton of people look down on fake roles, so I really wouldn't do that unless you got the group to agree to that...

phaneub17_ESO

People generally don't like to be told what to do or what they're doing wrong, especially from a stranger, if they're wrong they double down on it that they are in the right. Human nature.

Kwoung

Did they ask you to explain the mechanics to them? If not, it could very well be construed as condescending, followed up by claiming you are out DPSing the DPS as a healer, which doesn't generally go over well either. So yeah, you could probably work on your tact a bit would be my input... since you asked.

Alemtuzumab

Kwoung wrote: »

Did they ask you to explain the mechanics to them? If not, it could very well be construed as condescending, followed up by claiming you are out DPSing the DPS as a healer, which doesn't generally go over well either. So yeah, you could probably work on your tact a bit would be my input... since you asked.

I don't understand how I should approach this...

In nSCP you can stay alive easily if you follow the mechs, however, I was the only one hiding behind the pillar and not getting one-shot, so I thought I should teach them the mechanics.

I thought I was just stating the truth. Like 2 years ago when I first went in vet someone told me my dps is bad. So I strived to improve myself and now I can parse 80k. I don't get it why truth is a bad thing.

Kwoung

Alemtuzumab wrote: »

Kwoung wrote: »

Did they ask you to explain the mechanics to them? If not, it could very well be construed as condescending, followed up by claiming you are out DPSing the DPS as a healer, which doesn't generally go over well either. So yeah, you could probably work on your tact a bit would be my input... since you asked.

I don't understand how I should approach this...

In nSCP you can stay alive easily if you follow the mechs, however, I was the only one hiding behind the pillar and not getting one-shot, so I thought I should teach them the mechanics.

I thought I was just stating the truth. Like 2 years ago when I first went in vet someone told me my dps is bad. So I strived to improve myself and now I can parse 80k. I don't get it why truth is a bad thing.

I was thinking along the lines of "Hey guys, have you done this before, because the mechs will wipe us over and over even on normal if we don't do them right". Then wait for their response and decide how to take it from there. The way it went down, they probably all decided mechs had nothing to do with it and their "fake healer" was to blame, because no one likes to think they are the ones screwing up... its a human thing.

Alemtuzumab

Wolf_Eye wrote: »

I'm not sure "bad" is the right word for it here. It feels too generalized a word for this specific situation, especially as I don't know if we have enough information here.

First, did they ask you to explain mechs? Because if they didn't, they probably got very irritated at you for that. Most people in PUGs (was this a PUG?) don't like being told what to do. I'm not sure if I would classify it as "good" or "bad", it just is the way of PUGs.

Second, if you grouped as a healer and switched roles and didn't let the group know, they probably thought you were a fake healer. A ton of people look down on fake roles, so I really wouldn't do that unless you got the group to agree to that...

1. In a mech-heavy dungeon like SCP, you can survive easily by knowing the mech; for example, at the 1st boss you should hide behind pillar when ranged boss channels, freeze yourself when you're targeted by red circle, kill them at the same time, and not overlapping the bosses. I was trying to explain the mech so that the fight can be finished in 2 minutes instead of 10min...

2. Yes and I was told some nasty things as you can see in the pic. Apparently they want me out if they have to equip self-heal...

Alemtuzumab

Kwoung wrote: »

Alemtuzumab wrote: »

Kwoung wrote: »

Did they ask you to explain the mechanics to them? If not, it could very well be construed as condescending, followed up by claiming you are out DPSing the DPS as a healer, which doesn't generally go over well either. So yeah, you could probably work on your tact a bit would be my input... since you asked.

I don't understand how I should approach this...

In nSCP you can stay alive easily if you follow the mechs, however, I was the only one hiding behind the pillar and not getting one-shot, so I thought I should teach them the mechanics.

I thought I was just stating the truth. Like 2 years ago when I first went in vet someone told me my dps is bad. So I strived to improve myself and now I can parse 80k. I don't get it why truth is a bad thing.

I was thinking along the lines of "Hey guys, have you done this before, because the mechs will wipe us over and over even on normal if we don't do them right". Then wait for their response and decide how to take it from there.

Yes I asked!! "Does any of you know the mech?", before the 1st picture, and NO ONE responses so I assumed no one knows, and started explaining.

redspecter23

Based on the info given, there was no way you were going to "win" this conversation. They seem to have resigned themselves to the brute force method of success, whether that would be the easiest way or not. There was nothing you could say to them to change their minds about how to proceed and in addition to that, anything you did say just made them dislike you even more.

To me it seems to be a classic case of 2 drastically differing playstyles. The deciding factor is that there were 3 of them and one of you, so you got voted out.

It wasn't about being right or wrong. It was about not doing exactly what that group wanted you to do. That was enough to make them want to kick you.

Chips_Ahoy

I only do pug in my healer, and when I do I am a 100% healer, I do not use cheap excuses or justify anything, if the dps is low and a 15-minute run lasts 30-minutes, so be it.

You would be surprised how many times I have been congratulated for my patience and for being a 100% healer in a pug.

kick fake tanks, kick fake healers.

runa_gate

That's not a bad thing, that's a sad thing. You wasted your time but, once gone, it probably gradually dawned on them as they failed out of the dungeon that perhaps the issue was with them. Glad people who act like that don't get carried, though I'm sad about the time you invested.

Alemtuzumab

Chips_Ahoy wrote: »

I only do pug in my healer, and when I do I am a 100% healer, I do not use cheap excuses or justify anything, if the dps is low and a 15-minute run lasts 30-minutes, so be it.

You would be surprised how many times I have been congratulated for my patience and for being a 100% healer in a pug.

kick fake tanks, kick fake healers.

Sorry, but my time is very precious. If the dps is too low I will either add more dps or leave.

Chips_Ahoy

Alemtuzumab wrote: »

Chips_Ahoy wrote: »

I only do pug in my healer, and when I do I am a 100% healer, I do not use cheap excuses or justify anything, if the dps is low and a 15-minute run lasts 30-minutes, so be it.

You would be surprised how many times I have been congratulated for my patience and for being a 100% healer in a pug.

kick fake tanks, kick fake healers.

Sorry, but my time is very precious. If the dps is too low I will either add more dps or leave.

then que like a dps.

anyway, good luck!

Alemtuzumab

runa_gate wrote: »

That's not a bad thing, that's a sad thing. You wasted your time but, once gone, it probably gradually dawned on them as they failed out of the dungeon that perhaps the issue was with them. Glad people who act like that don't get carried, though I'm sad about the time you invested.

I agree it's really sad. It could be that they just came home after a day's work so that they feel the need to vent out on some random strangers. It's just that I really like this community and ppl like this make me lose faith. Why can't everyone be nice is beyond my understanding. Perhaps I'll never understand that.

El_Borracho

Wild guess:

You jumped into a random normal, in which it looks like they already kicked your predecessor, and now they are blaming you for their continued struggle. Basing that on a tank not separating the trolls. Yes, you can burn both down on normal if you have high enough DPS and understand the mechs, both of which are lacking here.

I would say you did nothing wrong, especially as the overriding complaint of healers in this game is that they feel they are unnecessary for normal dungeons.

Alemtuzumab

runa_gate wrote: »

That's not a bad thing, that's a sad thing. You wasted your time but, once gone, it probably gradually dawned on them as they failed out of the dungeon that perhaps the issue was with them. Glad people who act like that don't get carried, though I'm sad about the time you invested.

Anyways, I hope they enjoy the potato I cod mailed them for 2k gold to celebrate their 2k dps ;D

Alemtuzumab

redspecter23 wrote: »

Based on the info given, there was no way you were going to "win" this conversation. They seem to have resigned themselves to the brute force method of success, whether that would be the easiest way or not. There was nothing you could say to them to change their minds about how to proceed and in addition to that, anything you did say just made them dislike you even more.

To me it seems to be a classic case of 2 drastically differing playstyles. The deciding factor is that there were 3 of them and one of you, so you got voted out.

It wasn't about being right or wrong. It was about not doing exactly what that group wanted you to do. That was enough to make them want to kick you.

I'm 1000% OK with brute force IF the dps is really high. Problem is, their combined dps is 5k...

Amottica

First off, if you were doing 75% of the damage, and still tossing heals with no one dying due to lack of heals, then it is the damage dealers in that group that were doing something wrong since you were doing that much of the group's damage. Nothing wrong with a healer wearing DPS gear and doing some DPS in a 4 man dungeon as long as healing is appropriate.

You should consider yourself lucky they kicked you since that seems like they were a problem.

I would suggest putting this and them in your rearview mirror. No reason or sense to communicate with them and doing so could be considered harassment.

spartaxoxo

It's not just about what you say, but how you say things. Telling people how to do their roles when you are not doing yours is not going to make your argument persuasive.

Also something like "tank please keep boss separate so they don't enrage" is gonna go over a lot better than telling them to melee taunt.

Fennwitty

It'll one shot people with low hp.

spartaxoxo

Fennwitty wrote: »

It'll one shot people with low hp.

Yeah I true I edit that out. I still have doubts it one shot them though. My guess is OP was dps"ing instead of healing so seeing that they weren't healed when their health was low made them feel like OP was a big part of the problem. If OP had come in as a competent healer, the advice would probably come off better.

trackdemon5512

You did nothing wrong. That dungeon is the pug killer. The inepts always fail there ignoring mechanics lol

Skullstachio

From the looks of the OP, I would say from my perspective that you were doing a group dungeon with a bunch of Underpowered toxic tryhards. (Hence your DPS being the major contribution as a good thing from one eye.)

Either way, you leaving/being kicked is metaphorically a good thing from the perspective that you won’t have to put up with their toxicity/banter because you yourself would have better things to do such as playing the way you want to and being true to yourself. Because in the end, it wasn’t a “you” problem, it was theirs since they should have known better than to do a mechanic based group dungeon underpowered with no mech mentality.

Take it from me, a Good DPS always comes prepared, not just in good gear and specs, but with knowledge of mechanics since a Dead DPS is no DPS (and also takes some measure of DPS done by others away when they focus on reviving players*.)
(*the exception being necromancer players with reanimate/morphs.)

The fact that they had self heals instead of letting you do the healing as per your role if applicable is another DPS culprit as they would be sacrificing some measure of DPS to keep themselves alive instead of needing a healer, that is another nail in the proverbial coffin.

Wolf_Eye

Skullstachio wrote: »

The fact that they had self heals instead of letting you do the healing as per your role if applicable is another DPS culprit as they would be sacrificing some measure of DPS to keep themselves alive instead of needing a healer, that is another nail in the proverbial coffin.

From what I understand, the OP was asking that the DPS should have self heals so that they (the OP healer) can do the DPS. At least, that's what I think is going on here.

the1andonlyskwex

Fakes get kicked. Play the role you queue as.

redspecter23

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Fakes get kicked. Play the role you queue as.

By that logic the 2 dps doing less than 5k combined were fakes as well as the tank that couldn't keep the bosses separated. You're so quick to blame the healer, but they were adjusting based on the weak performance of the rest of the group. They entered the dungeon with every intention of being a legit healer.

VaranisArano

Well, it seems clear that you don't think you did anything wrong. Regardless, three people thought your behavior, performance, and/or chat comments were worthy of a kick, and they were the three people that mattered. I'm not sure that coming to the forum for a recount is going to help.

My usual suggestion about taking feedback from PUGs is that once is once, twice is a pattern, and three times is a sign that you should probably look at your own behavior, performance, and/or chat comments. If you haven't gotten complaints from other groups you PUG for, you can safely ignore these folks.

I will also note that a couple people here are correct that sometimes it's not just about what you say, but also how you say it. It may be absolute 100% true that you were doing 75% of group DPS, but there's a way to say it that's explanatory and a way to say it that's pouring fuel on the fire of an already tense group situation. I think we can guess which one happened here, even when you have the best of intentions.

drunkendx

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

You did nothing wrong. That dungeon is the pug killer. The inepts always fail there ignoring mechanics lol

agreed...

They did you a favor by kicking you, if they did not want to learn mechs you had no chance to finish that run.

Hurbster

How is it possible for 2 people to do less than 5k damage?

the1andonlyskwex

redspecter23 wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Fakes get kicked. Play the role you queue as.

By that logic the 2 dps doing less than 5k combined were fakes as well as the tank that couldn't keep the bosses separated. You're so quick to blame the healer, but they were adjusting based on the weak performance of the rest of the group. They entered the dungeon with every intention of being a legit healer.

Tanks and healers have different standards than DPS because the queue times are so different. Nobody queues as fake DPS on purpose because there isn't anything to gain from it.

In this case, while it does sound like the DPS were the main problem with getting through the dungeon, the solution definitely shouldn't have been for the healer to switch to DPS without telling anyone and then brag about how high their DPS was. Making a role switch like that absolutely requires permission from the rest of the group first, and obviously didn't fix anything anyway.

Tanks and healers have access to the kick button too.