Wouldn't it be nice

gariondavey

If we could combine provisioning ingredients together and make more varieties of food and drinks?

Essentially the ability to choose up to 4 stats/recoveries to increase.

This would open up a lot of great combinations, in my opinion.

Let me know what you think!

Have a great day!

priestnall.andrewrwb17_ESO

1000 recipes and a handful *3-4 are useful... I see no issue here; move along.

hafgood

The problem with that is that each provisioning item needs stats and effects assigned to it. Then each combination of items would have to be tried to come up with a recipe.

Oh wait, the work has been done and we have, we'll not sure what to call them, oh yes, recipes.

So why would Zos invest massive amounts of time and effort to create a system they already have in place in a slightly different format?

Oh and whilst ESO plus members have unlimited space those without don't and so pick amd choose the ingredients they carry. They are not going to want to have to increase what they carry when space is limited just to work out what the best recipe is.

So I'm afraid this is a big no from me as I just don't see how it adds anything to the game.

gariondavey

@hafgood not sure how you can say that being able to choose what 4 stats/recoveries you want wouldn't add something to the game. From a pvp perspective, I'd love hp + stam + stam recovery + mag recovery. Or hp + stam + mag + stam recovery (or mag recovery).

priestnall.andrewrwb17_ESO

Its horribly bloated and dysfunctional - a provisioning rework is LONG overdue. Trim the fat OR add some reason to have 1000 recipes that you will literally NEVER use since it takes like a day or two to hit cap. I guess at this point they cannot be bothered ...so its just festering. 10ish base stat / regen boosters that adjust to your level... then spend the effort on making the CP level food interesting or even viable. At "endgame" there are maybe 4-5 situational food/drink items that are beneficial the rest are just - fluff.

hafgood

gariondavey wrote: »

@hafgood not sure how you can say that being able to choose what 4 stats/recoveries you want wouldn't add something to the game. From a pvp perspective, I'd love hp + stam + stam recovery + mag recovery. Or hp + stam + mag + stam recovery (or mag recovery).

Except that's not how it would work. All you would be doing is creating the recipes that already exist, except you would have to work out the ingredients.

It would be no different to alchemy, there are plenty of combinations that don't work, just as there are many that do. Essentially we create the recipes in alchemy, except we don't. What we create is already predetermined, we just have to match the components to it.

All we would be doing with provisioning is creating the pre-existing recipes but by working out the ingredients. It would not for a minute allow us to create something new, potions effects are balanced, recipes are the same.

Why would Zos invest a lot of money to rework provisioning so that instead of getting recipes we had to get the ingredients and then work out the recipes ourselves?

Where is the benefit to the player?

alanmatillab16_ESO

You mean people actually use provisioning made foods instead of the thousands of crown meals they throw at us?

kojou

I would just like to see them all balanced a little better so there was a reason to run some of them.

Grandchamp1989

https://youtu.be/nZBKFoeDKJo

SirAxen

priestnall.andrewrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Its horribly bloated and dysfunctional - a provisioning rework is LONG overdue. Trim the fat OR add some reason to have 1000 recipes that you will literally NEVER use since it takes like a day or two to hit cap. I guess at this point they cannot be bothered ...so its just festering. 10ish base stat / regen boosters that adjust to your level... then spend the effort on making the CP level food interesting or even viable. At "endgame" there are maybe 4-5 situational food/drink items that are beneficial the rest are just - fluff.

I wish, at the very least, they would give some RP function to all the recipes. Like, being able to make table furnishings with them or something alongside their effect buffs.

SeaGtGruff

alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »

You mean people actually use provisioning made foods instead of the thousands of crown meals they throw at us?

Yes, I do; but I mainly use just one-- Lava Foot Soup-and-Saltrice. Other players prefer other foods or drinks depending on their primary attribute-- Stamina, Magicka, or Health-- and what sorts of boosts they're most interested in getting.

Adremal

alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »

You mean people actually use provisioning made foods instead of the thousands of crown meals they throw at us?

Well, if you don't need pure tri-stat food or need sustain in your food crafted options are better. I only use pure tri-stat on my tank, the rest of the crown chicken is throwaway food for random overland activities with alts.
That being said, more variety couldn't hurt, and it wouldn't necessarily have to be combat stats - more (and less expensive perhaps) fishing food, perhaps food that does other crafting-related or gathering stuff, things like that.

Kwoung

gariondavey wrote: »

If we could combine provisioning ingredients together and make more varieties of food and drinks?

Essentially the ability to choose up to 4 stats/recoveries to increase.

This would open up a lot of great combinations, in my opinion.

Let me know what you think!

Have a great day!

No from me, as there would definitely be some combo's that would be extremely overpowered, which is probably why they are not in the game already.... I will agree though that there are some combinations not currently available that I would very much like to see offered and I do not believe would be overpowered, especially since hybrid builds may be becoming a thing.

wolfie1.0.

A general rework I think needs to be done. Personally I would like to see food and drinks reworked so that each recipe is viable on its own and maybe consider adding additional buffs like the fishing one. Maybe one that gives you better gear drop or something along those lines. Right now we have a lot of recipes that do the same thing at different levels, are just used for crafting writs or provide the exact same benefits. So trim the fat out, and turn anything extra into furniture options.

drsalvation

alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »

You mean people actually use provisioning made foods instead of the thousands of crown meals they throw at us?

there are like 2 recipes that work a lot better, like sugar skulls that buff up all stats AND add health recovery. So it's like a better version of crown meals.

On the general topic, I do think provisioning in this game is highly... meh.
I have to scroll through ALL my recipes just to craft the same meta one. The only reason to learn recipes is for crafting writs, and it doesn't even give cool rewards. There's like 15 recipes that do exactly the same and then become deprecated once you hit the next 10 levels.
Not only that, but some recipes start using alchemical ingredients as well, so there's no real need to carry all those ingredients in your craft bag. I have like over 2k seaweeds and I can't think of any recipe where I need to use them.

While I do think provisioning needs a facelift to make it more viable with all your ingredients, I also can't think of any way to do so...

Or maybe I can...

It's still a stupid idea and immersion breaking, but how about instead of using only ingredients and alchemical reagents in gold recipes, why not have to create different meals and drinks, and then use said meals and drinks to create other meals. Like, using dubious throne as an ingredient and not as a final dish.

You can make coffee, it's a very low-level recipe. so imagine a version of latte or something like that, where you first need to craft black coffee, then you need to craft some sweet creamer, and then you use both to create the latte drink

Creating a pyramid hierarchy of ingredients through meals instead of using base-level ingredients for high-level recipes.

Kwoung

drsalvation wrote: »

It's still a stupid idea and immersion breaking, but how about instead of using only ingredients and alchemical reagents in gold recipes, why not have to create different meals and drinks, and then use said meals and drinks to create other meals. Like, using dubious throne as an ingredient and not as a final dish.

You can make coffee, it's a very low-level recipe. so imagine a version of latte or something like that, where you first need to craft black coffee, then you need to craft some sweet creamer, and then you use both to create the latte drink

Creating a pyramid hierarchy of ingredients through meals instead of using base-level ingredients for high-level recipes.

Other games have done similar, and I can say from experience, it turns out to be very frustrating. You go to make something, and you are out of something needed to make some recipe in the middle of the stack, now you need to go find it. Or you want to make X of something, and turns out you don't have enough of some rare ingredient far up the stack... so now you end up with a whole slew of extra low level food you can't use taking up inventory space until you get the rare ingredient.

Basically, it gets a bit tough when instead of 2-4 items to make an item, you are dealing with 10-20 different ingredients now.

Tandor

priestnall.andrewrwb17_ESO wrote: »

1000 recipes and a handful *3-4 are useful... I see no issue here; move along.

While that may be a problem for the min-maxers, the problem for others is arguably that since the daily login rewards were introduced there hasn't been a whole lot of point to Provisioning.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

https://youtu.be/nZBKFoeDKJo

Haha! I was so going to go there.

Kwoung

Tandor wrote: »

priestnall.andrewrwb17_ESO wrote: »

1000 recipes and a handful *3-4 are useful... I see no issue here; move along.

While that may be a problem for the min-maxers, the problem for others is arguably that since the daily login rewards were introduced there hasn't been a whole lot of point to Provisioning.

Its not just min/maxers, the crown food is great for bumming around in Overland, maybe some easy dungeons, but not much else really. There is a reason you see folks heavy attacking when they could be casting skills/healing, their regen is terrible, easily helped by eating better food, which would then allow them to pull their weight in a group. I do not have regen issues, but I use blue food that gives me almost 1000 more health and stamina than a crown meal offers, which means I live better & do more damage (since most of my damage is based at least partially off my max stamina)

I guess that could sound like a min /maxer, but I am not talking Artaeum Takeaway Broth at 8k a pop or even Sugar Skulls for 900 gold, the blue stuff sells for like 20 gold and the ingredients are so common, I have over 5k of each in my craft bag... so basically free food.

Artim_X

It'd be cool to be able to combine a food and a drink buff, but that would be a balance nightmare.

YandereGirlfriend

I re-work of Provisioning would be... *chef's kiss*

I love finding recipes out in the world and many have very evocative names that would make me excited to cook them... if they weren't all low-level and/or a useless cut-and-paste of ten other duplicate recipes.

Provisioning should be like Alchemy via another means where ingredients have intrinsic properties associated with them that you could then combine into dishes.

WiseSky

yes

gariondavey

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

I re-work of Provisioning would be... *chef's kiss*

I love finding recipes out in the world and many have very evocative names that would make me excited to cook them... if they weren't all low-level and/or a useless cut-and-paste of ten other duplicate recipes.

Provisioning should be like Alchemy via another means where ingredients have intrinsic properties associated with them that you could then combine into dishes.

I knew you would be on board

hafgood

Yes they could make it like alchemy, but you are missing the point I'm making. Alchemy has predetermined combinations that work, those predetermined combinations are alchemy recipes.

The only difference between alchemy and provisioning is that with provisioning you have the recipes available to you.

With alchemy you cannot put four ingredients together and come up with a new potion or poison, if the recipe doesn't exist behind the scenes it will just produced something inert.

With provisioning it would be the same, put your ingredients together and if it matches an existing recipe you produce the food or drink, if it didn't match you'd have an inedible food or drink.

What's more, like alchemy you would need a list of what combination of ingredients produces what food or drink as you wouldn't have the recipe saved.

So as you wouldn't be able to produce anything different to what we can already produce so what is the advantage to this rework?

Parasaurolophus

I also think that the provisioning needs to be redone. It would be nice to remove the level for all dishes. I would like to see that different dishes give different hp / resources / regen ratios.

Danikat

hafgood wrote: »

Yes they could make it like alchemy, but you are missing the point I'm making. Alchemy has predetermined combinations that work, those predetermined combinations are alchemy recipes.

The only difference between alchemy and provisioning is that with provisioning you have the recipes available to you.

With alchemy you cannot put four ingredients together and come up with a new potion or poison, if the recipe doesn't exist behind the scenes it will just produced something inert.

With provisioning it would be the same, put your ingredients together and if it matches an existing recipe you produce the food or drink, if it didn't match you'd have an inedible food or drink.

What's more, like alchemy you would need a list of what combination of ingredients produces what food or drink as you wouldn't have the recipe saved.

So as you wouldn't be able to produce anything different to what we can already produce so what is the advantage to this rework?

This is my thinking too. Removing the requirement to find a recipe first and simply letting players combine ingredients and see what happens like we do with alchemy might briefly create the illusion that there's more freedom to experiment but it wouldn't add anything new. Either you pick one of the combinations ZOS has decided will work and it will make a pre-determined end result - exactly like it does now - or you pick something else and it won't work.

FeedbackOnly

Not sure if it would be possible, but interesting concept